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Old 10-20-2003, 10:59 AM   #41
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Hey, whaddup, Kiwehnzii!! Good to see you again!! :)

Well, Jammer, I ain't hatin on you. I just don't think a little white boy such as yourself should be challenging people who are obviously Native and know what the hell they're talking about. You've been that way since you came here and you've gotten called on it before. When are you gonna get it?? That whooshing sound you hear so often..? That's points going over your head. :p And you seem to be the only one talking trash on this forum cuz that's all you got, puppy.
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Old 10-20-2003, 05:53 PM   #42
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tastes like chicken (dancers)? :rofl2:
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Old 10-20-2003, 06:10 PM   #43
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just answer the question? lol

i believe this was ojibway sweeties question? ...something to do with dance mirrors correct?....somehow it got turned into a debate on who knew more about a goose and deep topics to name calling and.....a debate ? if their is anyone among us who doesnt want to share their knowledge ..be respectfull....learn about other peoples cultures, traditions or teachings...or just enjoy the site might i suggect yahoo chat they are infamous for hatin on people.......a man from poundmaker shared with me about the mirror boards...he said they were spirit boards to catch the chicken spirit...i have a mirror board when i dance chicken...your more then welcome to hate on me ....everyone else does.....because we know more then another...WERE more ndn then one another i mean cmon people.....theirs a saying in ojibway meego mano ...let them say what they will......their going to anyway thats life..... lot's of people know a tremendous amount of things both culturally or spiritually and in here about pow wows...dance...beadwork....but nobody knows everything...so either stay positive and contibute to a soloution or your part of the problem of non educating our people.who tend to need some info...thats all for me
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Old 10-20-2003, 06:18 PM   #44
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Old 10-20-2003, 10:01 PM   #45
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he said they were spirit boards to catch the chicken spirit
So why aren't they call spirit boards? Or chicken spirit boards??
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chimiigwetch oldstyle. I would think the man from Poundmaker would know as there are many bakakwehn niimiwinak out there.
ahow! maano niwaaj...let it be.
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now that you mention it i have heard them called chicken spirit boards
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Hey, whaddup, Kiwehnzii!! Good to see you again!! :)

Well, Jammer, I ain't hatin on you. I just don't think a little white boy such as yourself should be challenging people who are obviously Native and know what the hell they're talking about. You've been that way since you came here and you've gotten called on it before. When are you gonna get it?? That whooshing sound you hear so often..? That's points going over your head. :p And you seem to be the only one talking trash on this forum cuz that's all you got, puppy.
lol Well Skuya when your fake arse can stop hiding behind your new name and come out as your good old self as we would know you then you might actually get somewhere on debating this issue to death with yourself. I'm flattered that you put so much time and effort into knowing me as well as you think you know me and continue on with your efforts of following me so closely by continually on talking smack on me. I just find it ignorant that you had no other response on the issues that we were talking about and in a way to make you or steve seem better then I or to make me out to seem as if I know nothing you resorted to try to call me out on a skin issue.? BRAVO!:clap: :blow: :clapping: :clapping:
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i think everyone should take a look in the mirror and ask themselves.....uhhhhhh whats was the original question.. ten times ...and still looking in the mirror ...say i am a greasy ndn ....ok now you got me off topic........anymore info on mirror boards chicken spirit boards.....why grass dancers carry them?....grass came from chicken dancers maybe? ok im going now play nice lol hehehehehehehehehe
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to make me out to seem as if I know nothing
I think you're handling that pretty well on your own...
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Old 10-21-2003, 12:39 PM   #51
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Right on, Huck!! :p

I learned a story about the mirror boards from someone who was dancing chicken before dancing chicken was cool. And it makes a lot more sense than some speculations here. However, like I stated before, I don't put this stuff on the Internet so wannabes like some people (aaahhJammerchooo) can take it and do a Boy Scout workshop on it next week and then proceed to go around telling people they're "more Native than Natives".

And quit trying to deflect the issue yourself, Jammer. You got nuthin. You're a white boy. Just admit it and I'll have a lot more respect for you in the morning.
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nda’oliihi nlii anabidlaahi nlt,eego shi'teke , Was up skinz,s ,,Geez comin up on this really late but hope this helps, The mirror board from my understanding and research and use is used in the Chicken dance for courtship, for instance when ya wanna snag that Native Honey you shine the light in her eyes to let her know that you are interested, or as the joke saying is ( your just too vain) LOL.
Nlt,eego , Be well, Ken blue bird.
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I am not sure about the mirror boards, but I was told by an elder that mirrors were used for many things. to reflect evil or negativity, in battle to signal other warriors or to blind the enemy. I like the story of the chicken dance I haven't heard that one. My son dances grass and uses a fan and a medicine wheel but he loves chicken dancing and I may make him a mirror board for that.
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nda’oliihi nlii anabidlaahi nlt,eego shi'teke , Was up skinz,s ,,Geez comin up on this really late but hope this helps, The mirror board from my understanding and research and use is used in the Chicken dance for courtship, for instance when ya wanna snag that Native Honey you shine the light in her eyes to let her know that you are interested, or as the joke saying is ( your just too vain) LOL.
Nlt,eego , Be well, Ken blue bird.
Cool man never heard this side of mirror use.


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How I understand the mirror board is two ways. The one way is like how that old man from Pounmaker says, that it's to capture the shiggen's spirit. My own additional thought on that is that since that dance is all about the shiggen's courtin' ways, what better place to preen for your mate than in front of a mirror. ;)

Second, that mirror reflects a light. Most light comes from a source that is warm or generates heat - and heat is related to the south and love/compassion (gi-ZHAA-te, ZHAA-wano, ZHAA-wenimaa) So I'm thinking, since being a dancer is partially about making other people feel good, and heat and light are associated with compassion and love... maybe that mirror board isn't so much about deflecting bad things as it is about refelcting the good things that are inside of the person carrying it - such as the love that individual has for the people.

This is how I think about that mirrorboard and my dancing today.

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Ok,toto; I am not in Oklahoma anymore...I don't know what a dang chicken dancer is...I thought this was a joke.( No kidding I don't pay any attention to grass dancers.. we call em Wal Mart dancers down here.)
So someone tell me (without a big *amn fight).Please......
Mirror boards are an old old part of straight dance clothes, we have had em generations...Go back to Hethushka and Omaha dances...There are pictures of dancers 100 years ago with them and many old ones in our museums. I have my grandads hanging on the wall.
Some people on here have a good idea about what they mean to us down here, and some are ...well goofy.... I won't tell which...
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Angry It jus seemz like KFC to me

Sup yo,

This mirra thang gotz to be sum of da curziest topix round pws nowdays...seemz like thur ain't no diff between chixen dancers and grazzerz, sup wit dat boi? make no senze to me, seemz like sum "influential" folkz on the trail got their stories mixed......

my unkle is like dis too, he always talkin sum **** bout bein a bad azz cuz he been round fur a loooong time dancin...coupla yearz back they put one of dem double beat crow songs on, when I was a kid, that foo didn't even know how to dance to it..niether did sum of tha otha "true champions". I have it on video and watch it every once in a while....remindz me that even though folks be walkin round like they know it all...don't mean they do...even if they win....now all of sudden we got sum foolios actin like true championz...can't even back it up on tha dance floor

....I agree wit old style grass on sum of what he said...that Edmonton dood he wuz talkin bout, brought up a good point I keep in mind...if ya don't know what its for or where it came from...don't mess wit it. thas why I never carried anything when I danced, never put things on my feathers, cuz things have there purpose and I don't wanna offend tha natural order of things....just cuz grasserz blow whistles on a drum doesn't mean I got the right, know what I mean...don't play around wit this grass dance...it has survived for a reason...don't mix it wit chicken...ya jus look like a cock in tha end..but go ahead if ya want...I will laff at you when I'm watchin ya on video.

As far as I am concerned and from what I learnt, bustles were worn by SOME grassers...usually held by the head honchos..gues we gots a buncha head honchos now..lol...clowns
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