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mcalkins4052 02-03-2012 02:33 PM

proper time
 
I was wondering when and how to decide on roaching my son he is 2 years old now. I was 12 when I was roached and am unsure of the whole thing my grandfather has passed and I now longer have the avalible info that I:confused am seeking.:confused:

Iowa_Boy 02-03-2012 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mcalkins4052 (Post 1512881)
I was wondering when and how to decide on roaching my son he is 2 years old now. I was 12 when I was roached and am unsure of the whole thing my grandfather has passed and I now longer have the avalible info that I:confused am seeking.:confused:

Don't ask the internet, find a relative, or family friend, or knowledgable elder in your community that can guide you. Follow your traditions, not someone called "Rainbow Unicorn Warrior Princess" on some website

mcalkins4052 02-03-2012 10:12 PM

thanks for the advise
 
Thanks but as I said my grandfather who roach me passed. Years ago so the only tie I have to our traditions was him. I am smart enough to know if people are making things up. Not asking for specifics just general idea. In any case do you know of an "elder" that is willing to share? I don't mainly b/c I am not full blood. Everyone I know gives me what the "Boy Scouts" have told them, not sure if their facts are 100%.

Iowa_Boy 02-03-2012 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mcalkins4052 (Post 1512981)
Thanks but as I said my grandfather who roach me passed. Years ago so the only tie I have to our traditions was him. I am smart enough to know if people are making things up. Not asking for specifics just general idea. In any case do you know of an "elder" that is willing to share? I don't mainly b/c I am not full blood. Everyone I know gives me what the "Boy Scouts" have told them, not sure if their facts are 100%.

The question is, what tribe are you? what are their traditions? If you are kiowa, then do kiowa things, if you are dakota, don't do kiowa things. If you are that far removed from your people than there are bigger issues that when to roach your child. If you are doing this, then re-connect or connect with your culture before doing this.

You should not be speaking to some random elder, you should be taking to an elder of your people. Why put the effort into roaching a child when you probably are doing everything else wrong anyway?

mcalkins4052 02-03-2012 10:34 PM

O.k. you got me there, battle of the wits? I follow you but just looking for help. Pembroke so you know and closer to Cherokee in N.C. than "my people". But let me ask you this why is it so hard for somone not full blood to find answers from "my people"


This is what happens when you depend on boy scout pow wows for info....the more I read these forums the less I think I know about grass dance.

Can anyone be of help....just trying to do it right.

wanjica_the_one 02-03-2012 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mcalkins4052 (Post 1512987)
O.k. you got me there, battle of the wits? I follow you but just looking for help. Pembroke so you know and closer to Cherokee in N.C. than "my people". But let me ask you this why is it so hard for somone not full blood to find answers from "my people"


This is what happens when you depend on boy scout pow wows for info....the more I read these forums the less I think I know about grass dance.

Can anyone be of help....just trying to do it right.

You sound like a broken record. Do you want whine with that plate of leftovers?

mcalkins4052 02-03-2012 11:38 PM

Yeah sharp chedder please:)

mcalkins4052 02-03-2012 11:41 PM

love this its like talking to kids on facebook!

Zeke 02-03-2012 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mcalkins4052 (Post 1512881)
I was wondering when and how to decide on roaching my son he is 2 years old now. I was 12 when I was roached and am unsure of the whole thing my grandfather has passed and I now longer have the avalible info that I:confused am seeking.:confused:

I was roached many years ago. Do I recall precisely how old I was? "No." (It was long enough ago that the Ottawa Powwow was still held at the Quapaw Powwow grounds.) Am I confessing this to be elitist? "No." But you asked about age. I was young but I still remember where, how, by whom and the significance.

If a kid is old enough to understand that, you're in the right age area.

It's sort of like asking when a young pilot is old enough to solo. Answer? When they can fly the plane.

mcalkins4052 02-04-2012 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by zeke (Post 1513014)
i was roached many years ago. Do i recall precisely how old i was? "no." (it was long enough ago that the ottawa powwow was still held at the quapaw powwow grounds.) am i confessing this to be elitist? "no." but you asked about age. I was young but i still remember where, how, by whom and the significance.

If a kid is old enough to understand that, you're in the right age area.

It's sort of like asking when a young pilot is old enough to solo. Answer? When they can fly the plane.

thank you i'm getting some where now!!!!

KewlMohawkGirl 02-04-2012 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mcalkins4052 (Post 1512987)
But let me ask you this why is it so hard for somone not full blood to find answers from "my people"

Can anyone be of help....just trying to do it right.

I don't think this is a battle of the wits, this was some respectful advice. "My people" are Mohawks...not anything else. Just sayin' ...Your pan NDN approach will not serve you. I do believe you missed the point. Good luck in your quest for information!

mcalkins4052 02-04-2012 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by KewlMohawkGirl (Post 1513027)
I don't think this is a battle of the wits, this was some respectful advice. "My people" are Mohawks...not anything else. Just sayin' ...Your pan NDN approach will not serve you. I do believe you missed the point. Good luck in your quest for information!


No I got the point I need to talk with the ones who roached me or some who is the same tribe because it is a tribe specific thing and no one likes to talk about what "their tribe" dose. This is the problem I running into. I asked when, I got an answer, when he is ready. Mission over. Thanks to Zeke.

Iowa_Boy 02-04-2012 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mcalkins4052 (Post 1513050)
No I got the point I need to talk with the ones who roached me or some who is the same tribe because it is a tribe specific thing and no one likes to talk about what "their tribe" dose. This is the problem I running into. I asked when, I got an answer, when he is ready. Mission over. Thanks to Zeke.

You got Zekes answer, unless you or your child are Ottawa like Zeke then it might not be the right answer.

but you came to the internet and got an answer that makes you happy.

mcalkins4052 02-04-2012 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowa_Boy (Post 1513057)
You got Zekes answer, unless you or your child are Ottawa like Zeke then it might not be the right answer.

but you came to the internet and got an answer that makes you happy.

some what yes. I did understand what you are saying for lack of a better term "to each his own"

Zeke 02-04-2012 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowa_Boy (Post 1513057)
You got Zekes answer, unless you or your child are Ottawa like Zeke then it might not be the right answer.

And it, probably, isn't.

I wouldn't pretend to have the ability to determine, in a vacuum, anything related to the topic.

All I have is my own experience and the ability to report that I was old enough because it has been somewhere around thirty years and I still remember.

Lots of things have made me reconsider who I am, how I feel, my place in Native society, destiny, elitism, what matters, what doesn't, etc.

But the MOMENT was pure and I remember it, vividly.

Isn't that all anyone can ask for? :wink:

Joe's Dad 02-04-2012 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 1513084)
And it, probably, isn't.

I wouldn't pretend to have the ability to determine, in a vacuum, anything related to the topic.

All I have is my own experience and the ability to report that I was old enough because it has been somewhere around thirty years and I still remember.

Lots of things have made me reconsider who I am, how I feel, my place in Native society, destiny, elitism, what matters, what doesn't, etc.

But the MOMENT was pure and I remember it, vividly.

Isn't that all anyone can ask for? :wink:

Are you saying you're not pure anymore? LOL

mcalkins4052 02-04-2012 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 1513084)
And it, probably, isn't.

I wouldn't pretend to have the ability to determine, in a vacuum, anything related to the topic.

All I have is my own experience and the ability to report that I was old enough because it has been somewhere around thirty years and I still remember.

Lots of things have made me reconsider who I am, how I feel, my place in Native society, destiny, elitism, what matters, what doesn't, etc.

But the MOMENT was pure and I remember it, vividly.

Isn't that all anyone can ask for? :wink:


True that, I have never forgot being at grandma little birds pow wow completly unaware that the whole pow wow knew that I had reached man hood, and that it was the day to mark it offical. It was great my mom and godfather behind me during the cerimony and my new grass dance regelia that 6 people worked on for me. Thats what I want for my son just the moment and how important it is.

Migiziwomen 02-05-2012 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowa_Boy (Post 1512909)
Don't ask the internet, find a relative, or family friend, or knowledgable elder in your community that can guide you. Follow your traditions, not someone called "Rainbow Unicorn Warrior Princess" on some website

i am not sure where you anger comes from. that is what this site is for. for people to come and share knowledge and to embrace it. to learn from it. sure there are some things i would not talk about on here but general help and advice, yes. this poster was looking for advice, some guidance.

what i get from this person is a sincere desire to carry on traditions, and wants some guidance. now i can not offer anything on this topic for i know nothing of it.

there really is no need to be so hateful and well just mean. poking and poking at him.
just rude, and that is not what this site is about. :angry_smi:teeth:

thank you zeke for offering some advice.

[email protected] 02-05-2012 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Migiziwomen (Post 1513177)
i am not sure where you anger comes from. that is what this site is for. for people to come and share knowledge and to embrace it. to learn from it. sure there are some things i would not talk about on here but general help and advice, yes. this poster was looking for advice, some guidance.

what i get from this person is a sincere desire to carry on traditions, and wants some guidance. now i can not offer anything on this topic for i know nothing of it.

there really is no need to be so hateful and well just mean. poking and poking at him.
just rude, and that is not what this site is about. :angry_smi:teeth:

thank you zeke for offering some advice.


I AGREE. Not sure If I should say that, dont want bashing my way.:teeth_smi

Migiziwomen 02-05-2012 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 1513178)
I AGREE. Not sure If I should say that, dont want bashing my way.:teeth_smi

lol no worries. what is a lil bashing betweens friends. lol. just gonna eat my corn soup and check the threads.

this is a good site with lots of knowledge, been on here for years and love it.


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