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Old 02-05-2012, 02:37 PM   #21
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lol no worries. what is a lil bashing betweens friends. lol. just gonna eat my corn soup and check the threads.

this is a good site with lots of knowledge, been on here for years and love it.
Looking forward to this knowlege, thanks.

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Old 02-05-2012, 02:41 PM   #22
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Old 02-05-2012, 02:55 PM   #24
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i am not sure where you anger comes from. that is what this site is for.
Perhaps that is the issue.

1. I sensed no anger in Iowa Boy's retort.
2. In my opinion, such is NOT what this site is for.
3. That could be the issue.

All I really have are my own experiences which are unique and not directly applicable to anyone but me.

I admit that I perceive many things differently than most Natives I know: although there is a contingent in NE Oklahoma that has exceedingly similar views. (Query? Is that tribal, geographic, environment, historical, etc? I think about that all the time because -- as an example -- I love some people who are from elsewhere and we don't think the same way at all.)

In any event, I believe that if you are here to kick some ideas around, bounce some thoughts off the wall, get a global perspective, find out how others see the world, etc? I think that's great.

If you're here to find out what it is you should be doing in the "way of your people?" THAT'S JUST DUMB and implies two things:

A. You don't know the ways of "your people."
B. You believe that we do.

I assure you, we don't. You'd get just as good a strategic idea by going to the library and checking out a book written by a white guy.

I'm just saying.
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Perhaps that is the issue.

1. I sensed no anger in Iowa Boy's retort.
2. In my opinion, such is NOT what this site is for.
3. That could be the issue.

All I really have are my own experiences which are unique and not directly applicable to anyone but me.

I admit that I perceive many things differently than most Natives I know: although there is a contingent in NE Oklahoma that has exceedingly similar views. (Query? Is that tribal, geographic, environment, historical, etc? I think about that all the time because -- as an example -- I love some people who are from elsewhere and we don't think the same way at all.)

In any event, I believe that if you are here to kick some ideas around, bounce some thoughts off the wall, get a global perspective, find out how others see the world, etc? I think that's great.

If you're here to find out what it is you should be doing in the "way of your people?" THAT'S JUST DUMB and implies two things:

A. You don't know the ways of "your people."
B. You believe that we do.

I assure you, we don't. You'd get just as good a strategic idea by going to the library and checking out a book written by a white guy.

I'm just saying.
okay indeed. i agree with what you are saying, on the other hand i have to dis agree on shortness of iowaboys answer. what if this persons only tie was his gramma or was it grampa? anyway, he reached out, and i think we should treat new people more kindly. after all we do not know where they are coming from until we talk to them more.

maybe you are right in your perception of his reply, i found it confrontational. in the end he got the advice he should of. as i stated earlier there is stuff i will not share for the reasons u stated. however i recognize there are some people out there that do not know the paths to take, do not even know the proper way to approach and elder. over the years i have grown both tired and empathetic to these lost souls. lol.
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Old 02-05-2012, 06:00 PM   #26
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I can sense IB's feelings over this posted request for info, as well as Migz' reaction ( i recognize there are some people out there that do not know the paths to take, do not even know the proper way to approach and elder. over the years i have grown both tired and empathetic to these lost souls. lol.)

We (Paul et al) operate an open public forum, you never know what type of soul will enter here...History Student?...et al LOL

As with any other SERIOUS internet forum, we should be diplomatic at first...and yet keep our guard up...the stronger person shows mercy...but we can also show them the way OUT when needed.

Help a brother OUT? Yep! You're out! LOL
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just to clear things up

Just so everyone knows my intentions are honorable never would I want to bring shame to my or anyones heritage. If I went about this the wrong way by choice of words or directory I'm sorry. I do lack the plethora of knowledge I need for such an important right of passage. Thank you all who tried to help me to see the correct path and thannk you all who felt they should inform me of the wrong path.
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Would it be to childish to ask what is the right way to seek answers from a web site geared toward education on native heritage? Or is the answers always to come from your elders? This entire forum has me thinking I should never ask questions for simlpy not wanting to piss anyone off. Just wondering?
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Would it be to childish to ask what is the right way to seek answers from a web site geared toward education on native heritage? Or is the answers always to come from your elders? This entire forum has me thinking I should never ask questions for simlpy not wanting to piss anyone off. Just wondering?
If you want to make a chocker, ask people here. If you have a question over how to dance to a "duck and dive song", ask it here. If you have a question about your spirit guide, don't ask it here. There is a line.

What I was attempting to do was make the initial poster aware that there are some things that are more appropriate to acquire first hand. I believe, while I may have been "short", I asked questions that would have helped me to answer the persons questions.

While this question does not fall into the realm of asking about a spirit guide, it does ask about a specific groups customs. If the poster had said, "I have a question about "X" groups customs on roaching, can anyone point in the right direction" the response may have been different from me. I still believe that there are things that you do not ask on the internet, and I will continue to believe that if you are attempting to follow your peoples traditions but have lost touch with your people (through the loss of your relatives), then you have a bigger issue of reconnecting with your people and learning your ways from them, not from the Zekester. Look how he turned out.........

Who knows about people on this site, the regulars are a mixed bag, for some it seems they like to give advice, to make themselves into something they may or not be. Others, are genuine people, some opinionated more than others. If your going to roach your child, what powwow are you going to do it at and who is going to do it? If you are out of touch with your people, then who is going to do it? this is not a simple question, it leads to a whole series of questions that relate more to the point of view of the original poster.
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If you want to make a chocker, ask people here. If you have a question over how to dance to a "duck and dive song", ask it here. If you have a question about your spirit guide, don't ask it here. There is a line.

What I was attempting to do was make the initial poster aware that there are some things that are more appropriate to acquire first hand. I believe, while I may have been "short", I asked questions that would have helped me to answer the persons questions.

While this question does not fall into the realm of asking about a spirit guide, it does ask about a specific groups customs. If the poster had said, "I have a question about "X" groups customs on roaching, can anyone point in the right direction" the response may have been different from me. I still believe that there are things that you do not ask on the internet, and I will continue to believe that if you are attempting to follow your peoples traditions but have lost touch with your people (through the loss of your relatives), then you have a bigger issue of reconnecting with your people and learning your ways from them, not from the Zekester. Look how he turned out.........

Who knows about people on this site, the regulars are a mixed bag, for some it seems they like to give advice, to make themselves into something they may or not be. Others, are genuine people, some opinionated more than others. If your going to roach your child, what powwow are you going to do it at and who is going to do it? If you are out of touch with your people, then who is going to do it? this is not a simple question, it leads to a whole series of questions that relate more to the point of view of the original poster.

thankyou it makes complete sence, I will keep that in mind should I have the need to open my mouth.
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