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Old 11-10-2009, 03:01 AM   #1
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Does anyone know what kind of feathers these are (on his headdress)?Julyamsh 08 - Native American Pow Wow Photo Gallery - PowWows.com
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Not sure... but they look like they come from a seagull.
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Not sure... but they look like they come from a seagull.
Those are magpie wing feathers.they are a nice black and white color.Magpies also have irridescent blue wing feathers as well,but it's these that are more eye catching....keep smiliin'1
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Those are magpie wing feathers.they are a nice black and white color.Magpies also have irridescent blue wing feathers as well,but it's these that are more eye catching....keep smiliin'1
Makes sense!! I've seen the dark magpie feathers, but never the white and black. Beautiful feathers indeed!!
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Sad to say but they look dyed, white feathers dipped or painted on the edges only! I have never seen magpie feathers so perfect or with that pattern yet!

Even seagull feathers do not have centers in white with black edging!
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Sad to say but they look dyed, white feathers dipped or painted on the edges only! I have never seen magpie feathers so perfect or with that pattern yet!

Even seagull feathers do not have centers in white with black edging!
....Pretty enthusiastic thumbs down there"Bro"...they are prolly imit.magpie.I've heard of some guys who do nice work with feather painting,so excuse me if my observation was a TAD off....keep smilin'1...p.s. we all make mistakes sometimes,don't hate on us ....
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It wasn't about the people for the thumbs down it was for one and one thing only, the fact that they are painted and not the real thing!

These feathers are openly toooooooo perfect in their pattern, geometric as they are, are not found in mother nature.

And yes I am smiling, but once you get to see the real thing in your own hands and then get gifted a painted wannabee you will soon see the differences as well and not be fooled or tricked. It takes a while to see the subtleties of the paints versus real patterns of feathes.
A real artist will look at many feathers and not copy his or her pattern to perfection to the point where it stand out like a sore thumb.... hence the thumb!!
As a feather freak, I collect road kills and study the feathers and then go searching for the birds online to find some of the rarer birds that I come across and yes I pass the feathers on to those that need them. All these years I have never seen any like that set and then I did a wee looking to search with what I have, the gull feathers have a streak across them but there are no complete edges that way. So end conclusion was total paint job!
The piece should have used owl or turkey feathers to be a true replica of the historical representation. I admit it does look good but I would prefer the one that is on the wall here... old Onandaga from before the turn of the previous century.. roughly 1893 as far as we can tell. This one is done with owl feathers only from the Great Horned Owl.
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Those are magpie wing feathers.they are a nice black and white color.Magpies also have irridescent blue wing feathers as well,but it's these that are more eye catching....keep smiliin'1

They are magpie wing primaries. The secondaries are the same black color as the long tail feathers.

First, I cant believe anyone would take the time to recreate a magpie feather.
Secondly, This picture isn't even that good of a closeup, so how could anyone appoint to the specific color or shape. They are what they are, not very uncommon.
Lastly, if you have never seen feathers like this, then you have never seen a magpie period. If you need to see a close up picture of what a real magpie feather looks like, PM me. There's not a reason in the world to doubt these feathers are real. The pic is a fine example of how I wanted to be when I grow up: Spend all that time and money on a beaded outfit like that so I can scrimp on my headress...yeah, ok.
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They are magpie wing primaries. The secondaries are the same black color as the long tail feathers.

First, I cant believe anyone would take the time to recreate a magpie feather.
Secondly, This picture isn't even that good of a closeup, so how could anyone appoint to the specific color or shape. They are what they are, not very uncommon.
Lastly, if you have never seen feathers like this, then you have never seen a magpie period. If you need to see a close up picture of what a real magpie feather looks like, PM me. There's not a reason in the world to doubt these feathers are real. The pic is a fine example of how I wanted to be when I grow up: Spend all that time and money on a beaded outfit like that so I can scrimp on my headress...yeah, ok.
Agree 100%! Great Post.

So, you can buy them legally from Europe right and ship them into the states?
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They are magpie wing primaries. The secondaries are the same black color as the long tail feathers.

First, I cant believe anyone would take the time to recreate a magpie feather.
Secondly, This picture isn't even that good of a closeup, so how could anyone appoint to the specific color or shape. They are what they are, not very uncommon.
Lastly, if you have never seen feathers like this, then you have never seen a magpie period. If you need to see a close up picture of what a real magpie feather looks like, PM me. There's not a reason in the world to doubt these feathers are real. The pic is a fine example of how I wanted to be when I grow up: Spend all that time and money on a beaded outfit like that so I can scrimp on my headress...yeah, ok.
....A wonderful feather painter named Andrew Forsythe makes a great magpie wing feather,almost identical to the real thing.I'm sure it's a lot of work,and this dancer has a LOT of them on his headdress,and they look pretty real to me....but I'm not one to get into a thread fight over something like this.I know very few people use magpie wings on anything,let alone a whole headpiece.I've seen many made with magpie tails,but those are exclusive to certain warrior societies,ex:Dog Soldiers of the Cheyenne and Mandan Nations.Anyway,I think it's an awesome feather hat so kudos to the maker and the wearer!!Dance hard....and keep smilin'1
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Agree 100%! Great Post.

So, you can buy them legally from Europe right and ship them into the states?
yes you can...know of folks who have done it with great success....keep smilin'1
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I know this dancer and to answer everyone's questions, yes, they are real magpie feather...primary wing feathers as was stated above. No tails or lower blacks were used, only primary feathers. I have to laugh at the feather expert that keeps saying that they are dyed and too perfect to be real. Sorry bro, I don't care how much road kill you've found in your days, these feathers are the real deal. I've never seen anyone else with a hat like this and he really stands out on the floor with it. He's got a nice outfit too. POWWOW HARD FOR TOMOROW WE DIE!
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American Magpie feathers are illegal to posses in the US because of the migratory bird act. I have heard on other threads of people buying European magpie feathers (hooded ravens?). Now are these feathers in the auction American or European and if they are American then would they be illegal to possess even though they came from overseas (I'm assuming they would be)

Also it is an amazing headdress haven't ever seen one like it.
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American Magpie feathers are illegal to posses in the US because of the migratory bird act. I have heard on other threads of people buying European magpie feathers (hooded ravens?). Now are these feathers in the auction American or European and if they are American then would they be illegal to possess even though they came from overseas (I'm assuming they would be)

Also it is an amazing headdress haven't ever seen one like it.
According to the auction info,these feathers are collected legally in the UK,I talked to a buddy of mine who got some and they send paperwork with the feathers to prove they came from England,proof that the bird is NOT a native North American species,as well as customs clearance.He has gotten magpie,buzzard(hawk),Steppe Eagle,and owl from the UK,and has had no problems yet.Told me as long as the bird is an exotic(non indigenous)species,it's ok..ex:Even if a Bald Eagle was bred in Germany,you cannot import it's feathers to the US because it's a native species to the US.,but feathers from African,Australian,or Asian birds are legal.Now,with magpies,that could be a bit hard because they are a Native species here,and I personally could not tell you the difference between an American magpie or a European one,if any...keep smilin'1

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From what I hear, Tibiki is a Tandy expert from Germany.
Great, thank you for the compliment. Now look at the feathers from ebay that are posted here in the thread, LOOK close at the shape of the feathers, they are not perfect in the shape as the ones on the head dresss. Minimum the feathers have been shaped.
I have never been to a tandy store as you say, I have been on the road here in Canada only for more than ten years picking up all birds and passing on to those needing the feathers. Noc considering this very fact, you condem me as what, a mascerade? Good luck on that. There are lots of people that get the real deal from me all over this continent and they have always been gifted.

But if they are real, and do come in that shape , I will openly state that I am wrong and stand corrected! So if they are 100 % natuaral without any changes, show me! The pics provided of the head dress shows one shape, the pics of the magpie feathers show a different shape!
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aw hell, now i have to get rid of all my magpie feathers for the painted ones because they are mo perfect....damn, took me a long time to get those too.

BTW, ya think that since you can tell the difference so easily, that maybe the painted ones arent sooo perfect? Just maybe if the painted ones were indeed soo perfect, you wouldnt be able to tell the difference? ......just sayin...


and yes the european magpies are different sub-species.
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I have been on the road here in Canada only for more than ten years picking up all birds and passing on to those needing the feathers. Noc considering this very fact, you condem me as what, a mascerade? Good luck on that. There are lots of people that get the real deal from me all over this continent and they have always been gifted.
I don't trust you Tibiki. Somebody needs to watch you for you may be the one behind the roadkill. What kind of car are you using?
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