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Old 01-22-2010, 04:04 PM   #81
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Other versions of hair roach position.

Osage man - 1875


Comanche man 1891


Bushy Tail - Otoe - 1894


Jim Two Hatchet - Kiowa - 1898
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Old 01-22-2010, 05:29 PM   #82
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i am interested in finding out how the classic Sioux roach came to be. For some reason, I think their migration had a lot to do with it.

I have some friends on the east coast claiming that the roach originated there. This may have some historical merit. I witnessed two Souian speakers from two completely different areas speak and understand one another. Both were elders. One was from the east coast (Catawba) and one was from Nebraska (Santee Dakota).

Interesting huh?
Any Catawbas out there correct me on this, but as I understand Catawaba had all but died out by 1930 or so but there were enough folks that spoke little bits in the 50's that folks were able to go out to other Siouan tribes and sort of fill in the pieces (verb conjugation, certain missing nouns).

I know my friends that speak Ho-Chunk can pretty much understand Ponca, Otoe and Kaw. Osage is a little tricky at times, and Lakota/Dakota deviates quite a bit but you can parse it together
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The Siouan Language family is quite extensive, and covers a wide area with many sub-groups and dialects as seen in the diagram below. Speaking the same or similar root language did not guarantee that there would not be curtural or political differences.

The Siouan family consists of 19 languages with various sub-languages:

I. Missouri River Siouan (a.k.a. Crow-Hidatsa)
1. Crow (a.k.a. Apsaalooke)
2. Hidatsa (a.k.a. Gros Ventre, Minitari, Minnetaree)

II. Mandan Siouan
3. Mandan
a. Nuptare
b. Neutare

III. Mississippi Valley Siouan (a.k.a. Central Siouan)

A. Dakotan (a.k.a. Sioux-Assiniboine-Stoney)
4. Sioux
a. Santee-Sisseton (a.k.a. Santee, Eastern Sioux, Dakota)
i. Santee
ii. Sisseton
b. Yankton-Yanktonai (a.k.a. Yankton, Central Sioux, Dakota)
i. Yankton
ii. Yanktonai
c. Teton (a.k.a. Lakhota, Lakota, Western Sioux)
i. Northern Teton
ii. Southern Teton
5. Assiniboine (a.k.a. Assiniboin, a.k.a. Nakota)
6. Stoney (a.k.a. Alberta Assiniboine)

B. Chiwere-Winnebago (a.k.a. Chiwere)
7. Chiwere (a.k.a. Ioway-Otoe-Missouria, Ioway-Otoe)
a. Iowa (a.k.a. Ioway)
b. Otoe
c. Missouria
8. Winnebago (a.k.a. Hochunk)

C. Dhegiha (a.k.a. Dhegihan)
9. Omaha-Ponca
a. Omaha
b. Ponca
10. Kansa-Osage
a. Kansa (a.k.a. Kanza, Kaw) (X)
b. Osage
11. Quapaw (a.k.a. Kwapa, Kwapaw, Arkansas)

IV. Ohio Valley Siouan (a.k.a. Southeastern Siouan)

A. Virginia Siouan
12. Tutelo
13. Saponi (a.k.a. Saponey) (X)
14. Moniton (a.k.a. Monacan) (X)
15. Occaneechi

B. Mississippi Siouan (a.k.a. Ofo-Biloxi) (X)
16. Biloxi (X)
17. Ofo (a.k.a. Ofogoula) (X)

C. North Carolina Siouan
18. Woccon (X)

D. South Carolina Siouan
19. Catawba

(X) = Extinct language
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