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Old 03-24-2013, 10:47 AM   #1
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Mop top vs. Dog soldier?

Hello, again! I've been on all 22 pages of this forum and can't find the answer I'm looking for. What is the difference in a mop top headdress and a dog soldier headdress? I know the dog soldiers used magpie (not sure if I spelled that right) feathers and mop tops use birds like turkey, crow, etc. Also, who can wear mop tops? I saw on another thread that someone asked this but people only said that he couldn't wear a dog soldier headdress. They never said anything about a mop top. I've also looked for answers on this (even went to the 2nd page of google and you know it's pretty much a lot cause if you have to do that) but can ONLY find info on the dog soldier heardresses... Much Thanks to all who can help!
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Hello, again! I've been on all 22 pages of this forum and can't find the answer I'm looking for. What is the difference in a mop top headdress and a dog soldier headdress? I know the dog soldiers used magpie (not sure if I spelled that right) feathers and mop tops use birds like turkey, crow, etc. Also, who can wear mop tops? I saw on another thread that someone asked this but people only said that he couldn't wear a dog soldier headdress. They never said anything about a mop top. I've also looked for answers on this (even went to the 2nd page of google and you know it's pretty much a lot cause if you have to do that) but can ONLY find info on the dog soldier heardresses... Much Thanks to all who can help!
There isn't a difference really, those headdresses are for the ones who earned them or have family rights to them, and are from those nations. Don't jump into wearing things without research!
Edit: since you say you are cherokee, I'd share the diversity of your own tribe and not copy the plains ones. Turbans or eastern roaches are of your nations, as well as beautiful floral beadwork, yarn woven sashes and fine cloth.
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There isn't a difference really, those headdresses are for the ones who earned them or have family rights to them, and are from those nations. Don't jump into wearing things without research!
Edit: since you say you are cherokee, I'd share the diversity of your own tribe and not copy the plains ones. Turbans or eastern roaches are of your nations, as well as beautiful floral beadwork, yarn woven sashes and fine cloth.
I wasn't planning on wearing one. I was just wanting to know what they were and who wore them. I saw one in a picture and it struck my interest. I did research and found the many names for headdresses of that style and some basic info on them but I was just wondering :)
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High school gossip says that you won't like the answer and this thread will end up "closed" like the other one.
Actually, It was just a question as to what they are, who wore them, etc. I wasn't looking for someone to tell me I can wear one or can't. Quite frankly, I don't really want one. The style struck my interest and I asked a question. Thanks for your input though!
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There isn't a difference really, those headdresses are for the ones who earned them or have family rights to them, and are from those nations.

Just so you know , there are major differences in the make-up of the hat , arrangement of the feathers , types of feathers , and the rights to wear such hats. I have nothing to offer the O.P.
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Just so you know , there are major differences in the make-up of the hat , arrangement of the feathers , types of feathers , and the rights to wear such hats. I have nothing to offer the O.P.
Thank you for you're post (really this time). I thought there was a difference and that post kind of confused me. Good to hear it from someone who actually wears one! At least I assume you do, due to your avatar...
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Thank you for you're post (really this time). I thought there was a difference and that post kind of confused me. Good to hear it from someone who actually wears one! At least I assume you do, due to your avatar...
They all looked the same to me lol. Learned something new
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They all looked the same to me lol. Learned something new
I've noticed that the dog soldier ones tend to cover the eyes with a visor-like thing and the mandans, mop tops, etc don't. it's just a feather hat without the visor.
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Hello, again! I've been on all 22 pages of this forum and can't find the answer I'm looking for. What is the difference in a mop top headdress and a dog soldier headdress? I know the dog soldiers used magpie (not sure if I spelled that right) feathers and mop tops use birds like turkey, crow, etc. Also, who can wear mop tops? I saw on another thread that someone asked this but people only said that he couldn't wear a dog soldier headdress. They never said anything about a mop top. I've also looked for answers on this (even went to the 2nd page of google and you know it's pretty much a lot cause if you have to do that) but can ONLY find info on the dog soldier heardresses... Much Thanks to all who can help!
During the 2007 National Powwow, we invited a man from the Ft. Berthold reservation in North Dakota to come share information with us about the Mandan Headdress. In my conversation with him he said there were 3 living members of the society that wore this headdress. Unfortunately he was not able to come because another society he belongs to was having their doings and it was the same weekend. So he didn't come.

I know this headdress has a nickname of "moptop" but this is kind of a derogatory term to those still in this society.
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im asking about your moptop sir it looks like a buncha chicken hawk and buzzard feathers? is that what yours is ?
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im asking about your moptop sir it looks like a buncha chicken hawk and buzzard feathers? is that what yours is ?
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Wow! That's neat gonna make me one just to look at
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During the 2007 National Powwow, we invited a man from the Ft. Berthold reservation in North Dakota to come share information with us about the Mandan Headdress. In my conversation with him he said there were 3 living members of the society that wore this headdress. Unfortunately he was not able to come because another society he belongs to was having their doings and it was the same weekend. So he didn't come.

I know this headdress has a nickname of "moptop" but this is kind of a derogatory term to those still in this society.
hmm. Never knew that. Learned something new today too!
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I guess you can do whatever you wish ! I can tell you where you can shove it !
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is the same place u shove your chicken hawk and buzzard feathers....haha! Anyways just jokin wardancer don't get all worked up I hhope I can say that to you since you can say whatever you want to me
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