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Old 03-05-2004, 01:52 PM   #101
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Re: OH NO NO NO NO NO!!

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I am glad I wandered in here...

First of all, WHITE dancer and whoever else seems to think that Kiwehnzii is tyring to rehash issues, you better think again! Kiwehnzii is a prime example of what a traditional dancer is. When he is out there, you KNOW that he belongs there. Please don't ever try to spout your ignorance to a true flesh n blood Indian.

Your posts mean nothing compared to his words of wisdom. He is never rude or ignorant and he can back up everything he is saying.

So long as you come hear acting a fool trying to tell us who we are then expect to be put in your spot. Please don't make me mad. Powwows.com hasn't encountered my fury since back in '03 with Tibiki Kinew.
Yeah I'm glad I saw the new posts up too !:Mad

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Old 03-05-2004, 01:56 PM   #102
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My girls? Strong Indian Women. Just a few kids covering a Grampa's back.

I'm one of Kiwehnzii's girls and proud of it!!:D

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Ok so I've been hanging out with Jibby too much these days and have recently had visions of gasoline soaked bannock being hurled through windows but I am calmer now and I just gotta say:


WTF is up with all these non-NDNs who come in here and ask questions and then get told an answer by an ndn person - then freak out because in most cases they got told "NO!"

You guys go on ahead and rally up your posse and keep on coming at us - we won't ever back down - for you see we have the strength of our blood, our ancestors, our elders - grandfathers and grandmothers, the children and youth and ourselves - to stand strong together and be truthful, devoted to our faith and connected to our history, culture and language.

What's ours is ours and will never be yours - that's the truth and it will never change.
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Now I know how the "real" Cherokee people must feel. You wannabees in here who want to be one of my people so damn bad will go to any lengths to do so. I am sick of these disrespectful posts/words to my people one of whom is an elder. I'm not just going to sit here and allow that to go by without saying anything. I will say again, if you white people want respect then show some! Further I will say again, the most ultimate respect you can give Native people is to leave our ways, alone. You have your own ways with your own people...go get them and live them because you're only living in a world of disillusion trying to be one of my people.
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Now I know how the "real" Cherokee people must feel. You wannabees in here who want to be one of my people so damn bad will go to any lengths to do so. I am sick of these disrespectful posts/words to my people one of whom is an elder. I'm not just going to sit here and allow that to go by without saying anything. I will say again, if you white people want respect then show some! Further I will say again, the most ultimate respect you can give Native people is to leave our ways, alone. You have your own ways with your own people...go get them and live them because you're only living in a world of disillusion trying to be someone you definately are not.
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You sure got a way with words WPD.

These ladies are not defending me. They are not attacking you.

They speak their minds. They think of what might happen 10-20-50-100 years from now. They are protecting OUR ways. We don't want an anthropologist standing in front of an audience of native people teaching us OUR ways. If we don't have native men and women to do this for each other........... to learn and teach each other, it'll be gone. We know this.

That's why we took offense with guys like Crock and Boman trying to teach about OUR ways. Hey, he had good intentions but as you can see, the lady did just fine without them. Her son is on his way.

I know you're going to say, well no one was replying. So what? We get things done in our own time. We know how to relax and get to things when we get to them.

We're not like you guys. There isn't a time frame. We don't grade the finished product. No one has to pass inspection to move on to the next project. It'll get done.......in due time.
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I understand about that too and I don't understand about the attacks on the board thats been going on lately and I defend you and your people from the troublemakers and the abusers of your culture.
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Excuse me WPD? But if this is your idea of defending.................
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He starts up trouble on the board and feeds the fire too and WHITE people are reacting to his attacks.
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He starts up trouble on the board and feeds the fire too and WHITE people are reacting to his attacks.
You must be functioning in an alternate reality - because in this one it's been us trying to defend wht is ours amid cries of racism - it's not racist to defend what is ours.

This is getting tedious so you can stop trying to convince me now.
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It is racist to exclude others based on their skin color, ethnicity, or origin. period.
They did it to us...do not do it to them or we are no better.
I wish every crazy religious zealot racist in the Americas (ALL OF IT) came into the circle and understood it...everyone. and lived that way. isn't gonna happen.
I will get pizzed off based on doing what is right, and behaving properly.
Ive said it before and Ill say it again.You have to live the life to know the life. Kihwenzi is right. Anyone who is Indian on weekends is a wannabe no matter what color they are.

(I know I know i'm crazy) Thats the way I was taught. We are better than them. And it only took me 49 years to accept that.
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I can't help but feel a little guilty for my contributions to this entire arguement. I amde no secret of the fsct that I am a white woman who is raising a native child. I am not the type of person who normally posts on these sites but I couldn't help it when I saw a white person telling a native how her son's regalia should be done and that it should be complete before enteruing the circle etc. etc. I also did not and still do not understand why non natives dance and how being a boyscout has anything to do with it. Nor do I understand why some whites think that they have a right do so. I know it wasn't my place to respond but I couldn't help myself because of all that I have been privledged to learn was being contradicted by non-natives who somehow thought that it was their right to take part in a culture that was not their own. I contribute a great deal to my son's community but I am not a wannabe so please do not judge me with the same vigor as others are being judged. I know my place and I would never cross that line intentionally. If anyone has construed my posts on here as an attempt to convey information or a culture that was not mine I apologize.

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Walks in munchin on Dorito's enjoying all the heat... since its so cold over here...lol ;)

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I really like what you said here CrazyDaisy, it takes a WOMAN to sort it out eh. ;) lol jk you men....

;) With that I guess I wonder how non-natives find their way to the circle. Is it the same kind of true calling, is it part of a larger path, do they follow the red road in day to day life or is it something that they do on weekends and on weekdays they go back to being white? I only wonder because for many people that I know dancing is a celebration of THEIR SPIRIT, THEIR CULTURE they live it 24/7 with no days off.


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I just cant belive how this Crock guy actually tries to defend what hes sayin... him and those other guys... Typical White men for ya..think they know it all... know whats best for us poor helpless ndn's..... lol and Im probably saying that in my 'ignorant' anishinaabekwe way eh? lol

as for are NDN people the experts on this subject just b/c their NDN? lmao.........
WELL YEAHH!!! DUHHH!!! Its only been in our blood since ... forever.. jeez get with it.. lol.
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You must be functioning in an alternate reality - because in this one it's been us trying to defend wht is ours amid cries of racism - it's not racist to defend what is ours.

This is getting tedious so you can stop trying to convince me now.
So you would like see sparks fly on the board then.
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