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Old 01-08-2009, 05:23 AM   #41
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From the Seneca tribe's site:

This is why despite my grandmother being Seneca, and my feeling of strong connection to that side of the family, I am technically not Seneca. My mother's tribe does not make that distinction. Perhaps because they are in Canada and don't have the casino money issue like the American tribes do. On the reservation my dad grew up on, the casino monies have resulted in many fights about who can and can't be considered part of the tribe. They have even gone so far as to kick dead people out of the tribe (as then they could easily kick those people's descendants out).
The Haudenosaunee on the Canadian side have had their patrilineal enrollement forced on them. It's not the same as on the American side and has nothing to do with casinos, or money period. Rather a political one to try to break down the Haudenosaunee long ago.
The traditional way of the Haudenosaunee is that you are what your mother is, nation and clan. In Canada there is only Seneca living on Grand River but in the states there are three recognized groups. The SNI includes Alleghany and Cattaraugus. Then there is The Seneca / Cayuga in Oklahoma and finally the Tonawanda Band. TheTonawanda Band are the only ones who are members of the Confederacy.

And although there is a forced patrilineal enrollment in Canada, many people still identify as their mother's people and that's why you hear people say they are Mohawk-Seneca or Onondaga-Tuscarora. My Grandpa would say he was Mohawk-Cayuga because his mother was Mohawk and his Father Cayuga so he was enrolled with the Cayuga.

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I did'nt think you were saying I was being a smart alek.. I just wanted to make that clear on here because sometimes people will draw to that conclusion if they feel their "indianess" is being attacked and I wanted it clear that was'nt what I was doing.
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Old 01-08-2009, 06:56 AM   #42
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I'm glad you understand and I was thinking about the same thing with the SNI on the canadian side, I've been to the Six Nations reserve and I wasn't sure but I thought that that was true, that in Canada it is both parents, but I wasn't sure if it was thier choice or not either.
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Coupla quick things,
1. No turkey clan for EBCI or Cherokee Nation, can't speak about UKB.
2. One of the tribes up here in the great lakes does have a turkey clan, I just can't remember who.
3. Canadian gov (status) enrollment is patrilineal, kind of it is getting more complicated than blood quantum now, bands can have their own enrollment criteria but I don't think Six Nations does.

As for the bustle thing- on the East Coast and Southeast you tend to see way more turkey, goose, or hawk bustles than you do as you move further west, mostly for cultural reasons.
But, some of the differences in regalia is because when you look around at regalia the "trends" move from West to East- so for straight dancers you can see something on a dancer in say Virginia that was THE hot thing with straight dancers in Oklahoma 15 years ago.
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There are Turkey Clans in other northeast tribes (i.e. Delaware and Lenni Lenape).
Delaware and Lenni Lenape are the same. Delaware is the name the white man called the Lenape.
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I had no idea who to ask about this... I am terrible at making things myself. I was wondering if anyone could suggest names of vendors who create traditional Haudenosaunee women's regalia. (Overdress,collar, cuffs, Skirt and leggings ) the things I have seen so far have been heinous. I love the mid to late 19th century women's wear but I am wondering if anyone knows someone who could make it for me. Thank you.

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