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Old 10-28-2004, 04:30 PM   #1
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What is the difference between southern and northern fancy shawl dance

I know that one is faster than the other and the honor beats are different. Is there anything else?
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I know that one is faster than the other and the honor beats are different. Is there anything else?
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What do you classify as "Southern Fancy Shawl Dance?" *L

You're kiddin' . . .

right?
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I agree...there is no such thing as southern fancy shawl. Shawl dancers may sometimes (hopefully not often) have to dance to southern drums, but they aren't southern fancy shawl dancers. Unlike the men's style which began as southern and eventually "added" a northern style, women's fancy has remained a northern style.
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Yer both wrong.

Southern fancy dancers live in the south, northern fancy live in the north.

Aiyyee.
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Okay, my bad.
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*L* At some powwows I know they sometimes split these two groups.

Northern are light on their feet and spin alot. Ex: Urseloria Kanuho, she is smooth and light! ;)

Southern are more mellow on the grown and lots of back to back steps. Ex: Bonnie Tomasah, back to back foot work.

I like both these styles too bad that at most powwows they do not seperate the two categories that would be awesome! ;)
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Which pow wows separate them? This is interesting. Are they trying to create a new style out of nothing?
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If they seperate northern and southern traditional than why don't they do the same for fancy. It's not like there aren't enough of either kind. that way when your dancing you don't have to try and match the speed of the other girl cuz you don't want the judge to think that your too slow or something.
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Yer both wrong.

Southern fancy dancers live in the south, northern fancy live in the north.

Aiyyee.
And I was going to say a few hundred miles! but your answer is better!
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Old 11-01-2004, 11:29 PM   #10
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Okaaaayyyyyyyyy, What's the dif between northern style grass and southern style grass?
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Southern ask an Omaha..

Northern ask someone from RockyBoy..

I heard there are many diff stories to the grass dance and diff versions on how its suppose to be done.. that's all I know.. *L*
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This pretty interesting. I didn't know people were starting to distinguish them. Myself, I don't see a difference because fancy shawl as whole involves alot of spinning and footwork.

This is just a thought, but I think people are trying to break down catergories like Northern and Sothern this or that so that people can place more. Eventually someone will want to see a Northern Old STyle Jingle, SOuthern Old Style Jingle, Northern Contemporary Jingle, SOuthern COntemparay Jingle and so on and so forth. SOmetimes, it shouldn't really be broken down into a seperate catergory. Someitmes that is just an individuals style.
But then, that's just from my grease jar.
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What about eastern smoke dance & western smoke dance?
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For that matter lets get stomp dance as a pow-wow competition. Heck you'd have several catergories right off the bat with that one. Eastern Cherokee Western Cherokee, Chickasaw, Eastern Choctaw, Western Choctaw, FloridaSeminole, Oklahoma Seminole.

( that was a joke for those of you didn't realize it.)
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I think I figured it out!!!

Women's Southern Fancy Shawl dancers talk with a drawl :)

At the next pow wow I go to, I'd like to request my category to be: Northern Central Plains Contemporary Northern Fancy Feather War Dance
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Women's Southern Fancy Shawl dancers talk with a drawl :)
I think that's about the only difference :Chatter. When I saw this thread I was thinking, "What next?"
Individual styles may vary but it's not a Northern/Southern thing.
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Here in Southern California, there are not too many fancy shawl dancers with fully beaded regalias. Instead, they use applique and cloth. If a separation of fancy shawl is needed then they should distinguish between the fully beaded outfits and the appliqued cloth dancers.
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You're joking right? Why penalize people and lump all the dancers together in a fully beaded category and let other people who didn't put in the work get the same prize money? Let them compete against the girls who put in the time and effort and beaded their stuff.
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Heck lets just break down even further.

FAncy Shawl Dancers with red Shawls over here!

Fancy Shawl Dancers with Yellow Shawls Over There!!

Rainbow Colored Shawls Over there!

Hey, lets break the contest down to blood degrees!

Pure Bloods, Full Bloods, Mixed Bloods, Wannabe Bloods

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You're joking right? Why penalize people and lump all the dancers together in a fully beaded category and let other people who didn't put in the work get the same prize money? Let them compete against the girls who put in the time and effort and beaded their stuff.
Yup, I'm joking. I'd never let any of my family members be a fancy shawl appliqued dancer. Fully beaded is the only way to go. I'd like to see a reduction in prize money for the fancy shawl appliqued dancers, maybe it'll get rid of those lazy seamstresses who don't know how to bead.
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