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Old 02-14-2006, 04:27 PM   #1
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Question Marriage and the beadwork

A few years my mother bought me a gorgeous buckskin dress. I am/was a jingle dress dancer so I have been saving it. When I started talking about the beadwork on the yoke, she told me I couldn't decorate it elaborately because I wasn't married. She's Lakota and I was wondering if any other tribe thinks like that?

That's what she told me, so I'm gonna follow it and being by time I actually get all the beadwork done, I'll probably be married.

Anyone else hear this?
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A few years my mother bought me a gorgeous buckskin dress. I am/was a jingle dress dancer so I have been saving it. When I started talking about the beadwork on the yoke, she told me I couldn't decorate it elaborately because I wasn't married. She's Lakota and I was wondering if any other tribe thinks like that?

That's what she told me, so I'm gonna follow it and being by time I actually get all the beadwork done, I'll probably be married.

Anyone else hear this?
Rachel,


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Old 02-14-2006, 05:55 PM   #3
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i don't know anything bout this subject and havn't really heard anything like the sort in these parts .. lol ..

but wouldn't it stand to reason the more elaborate the work the more attention you'll get from would be suitors?!?
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Hmm that makes sense. I could see that..... That's a good point.
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Are you sure you're mom is Lakota? LOL I've never heard anything like this, and actually know this not to be true. Sioux women have for generations and generations prided themselves on dressing their families in heavily decorated attire. Back in the day, fully quilled dresses were not uncommon. Then came beads, and everything was fully beaded...even pants on occasion were fully beaded. This was true also of young girls who would wear fully beaded dresses (some even had the skirt beaded), leggings and mocs. Granted, these weren't worn everyday, but they were made and worn. If you fully bead your dress, you'll be keeping up a generations-old tradition among sioux women.
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Are you sure you're mom is Lakota? LOL I've never heard anything like this, and actually know this not to be true. Sioux women have for generations and generations prided themselves on dressing their families in heavily decorated attire. Back in the day, fully quilled dresses were not uncommon. Then came beads, and everything was fully beaded...even pants on occasion were fully beaded. This was true also of young girls who would wear fully beaded dresses (some even had the skirt beaded), leggings and mocs. Granted, these weren't worn everyday, but they were made and worn. If you fully bead your dress, you'll be keeping up a generations-old tradition among sioux women.

Singerdad,

I have seen these fully beaded pants that you are referring to.

I have a question.


Why did the Lakota and other tribes bead the soles of some moccasins?
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I've also seen fully beaded hats, bonnets, canes, and even a fully beaded shirt.

I'll send you a PM on the other question.
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I've also seen fully beaded hats, bonnets, canes, and even a fully beaded shirt.

I'll send you a PM on the other question.


Pila for the PM.


You ought to check out the plains Indian seminar on Yahoo. Hmmmm?
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Industry and generousity

I was taught a properly raised women showed her self-respect by creating nice things for herself and her family. You honor your kin by making them beautiful things -- especially your brothers. You make beaded and quilled items to show your industry and as a vehicle to demonstrate your generousity (always give your best).

So by wearing a beautifully beaded dress you are, in essence, telling people you were raised to care for yourself, your relatives and your people properly.
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Dang Chemist...you need a new sibling? I will be your bro...cause I would look too keen in a fully beaded outfit you made for me!!!!!!!!! Come on sis hook a guy up.
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Are you sure you're mom is Lakota? LOL I've never heard anything like this, and actually know this not to be true. Sioux women have for generations and generations prided themselves on dressing their families in heavily decorated attire. Back in the day, fully quilled dresses were not uncommon. Then came beads, and everything was fully beaded...even pants on occasion were fully beaded. This was true also of young girls who would wear fully beaded dresses (some even had the skirt beaded), leggings and mocs. Granted, these weren't worn everyday, but they were made and worn. If you fully bead your dress, you'll be keeping up a generations-old tradition among sioux women.

My uncle has a book that has pictures from Rosebud way back when and even little girls had their dresses decorated. My Grandma passed a year ago and in fact we just had her memorial dinner and small powwow. I'm just trying to remember all the little stuff she said, ya know? Although a part of me thinks this was taken out of context and just stated as something she said. But now my mom is making it "law". I was just wondering if her comment was taken out of context or was it a well known fact. But as someone else in my family pointed out i am "married", I have a son, live with his dad and been together almost 10 yrs! Anyway, I'm just in the research stage of the design. My plan is to get the book my uncle had and use the old time photos for inspiration for my design.
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Singerdad,

I have seen these fully beaded pants that you are referring to.

I have a question.


Why did the Lakota and other tribes bead the soles of some moccasins?
I was told that you beaded the soles of the moccasins for the funeral? I read that somewhere in a book to? But I don't think it was a Lakota?
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Be careful what you wish for, LOL. The family comes with more nuts than a can of Planters. We have: A 98-year old grandmother who leads prayer revolts. Mom and her toy poodle. The uncle who calls mom's poodle Cup-'o-soup. A paramedic cousin who fixes mocs with adhesive tape ("A good tape job fixes anything.") and drives like every vehicle has lights and sirens. Then there's the *other-side*, LOL.
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I was told that you beaded the soles of the moccasins for the funeral? I read that somewhere in a book to? But I don't think it was a Lakota?
I've seen historic photos of living people sitting in the grass at special events with the beaded soles of their mocs clearly visible. I have also seen museum examples of mocs with beaded soles worn in spots from walking. I think people wore these fancy shoes for dress-up occasions and not "solely" for funerals.

Yes, the Lakota made mocs like that but they weren't the only ones. I believe other Northern Plains groups like the Gros Ventre and Assiniboin did too.
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I've seen historic photos of living people sitting in the grass at special events with the beaded soles of their mocs clearly visible. I have also seen museum examples of mocs with beaded soles worn in spots from walking. I think people wore these fancy shoes for dress-up occasions and not "solely" for funerals.

Yes, the Lakota made mocs like that but they weren't the only ones. I believe other Northern Plains groups like the Gros Ventre and Assiniboin did too.



Yup in another book I have, I seen it other stuff. I knew it was, but couldn't "verify" it. Anyway, in this book it was for a child. The moccasins matched the dolls...both were beaded on the bottom.
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