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Old 02-15-2011, 08:44 PM   #21
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meash i am sorry to say but i will not continue this game, you are trying to put down something important to me, and by trying to prove its useless, you are only strengthening my opinion that is is very useful and indeed a good use of time. it can help career wise, and there are jobs for every major, but i think i'll just leave you with your opinion and me with mine. we all have a opinions, makes us human.
How am I putting this down???


My entire post is to ask what kind of jobs you can get with a bachelors in AIS. How is this offensive? You said there were possibilities, and I'm curious as to what they are. In my first post, I even bolded "what type of jobs can you get with this?"

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meash i am sorry to say but i will not continue this game, you are trying to put down something important to me, and by trying to prove its useless, you are only strengthening my opinion that is is very useful and indeed a good use of time. it can help career wise, and there are jobs for every major, but i think i'll just leave you with your opinion and me with mine. we all have a opinions, makes us human.
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How am I putting this down???


My entire post is to ask what kind of jobs you can get with a bachelors in AIS. How is this offensive? You said there were possibilities, and I'm curious as to what they are.

I would think this would be a question better answered by someone who has been in, for lack of a better word, Indian country, for an extended period.

Say somebody like WhoMe or Iowa_Boy?

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How am I putting this down???


My entire post is to ask what kind of jobs you can get with a bachelors in AIS. How is this offensive? You said there were possibilities, and I'm curious as to what they are.

sorry if i'm a tad touchy meash, but when you said "doesnt seem like a major in native american studies would get you very far, and isnt very specific.''
i took that personally because it means a lot to me, and i am going to college for it soon, it just sounded a little insulting to those who are going to double major in it.
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I would think this would be a question better answered by someone who has been in, for lack of a better word, Indian country, for an extended period.

Say somebody like WhoMe or Iowa_Boy?

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what do you mean by that JD?
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meash i am sorry to say but i will not continue this game, you are trying to put down something important to me, and by trying to prove its useless, you are only strengthening my opinion that is is very useful and indeed a good use of time. it can help career wise, and there are jobs for every major, but i think i'll just leave you with your opinion and me with mine. we all have a opinions, makes us human.
As a professor of American Indian Studies, one who advises students in the field, this are not easy questions.

It is difficult to answer because we need to talk specifics. RayofSun and meashcrme, what school do you go to or want to go to? What kind of "writer" do you want to be Ray of Sun? Fiction is one thing, factual is another? What do you consider to be a "job"? What kind of work are you looking for?

Are you from a tribe that can support you with percap or casino payments? Or will this be your only income?

What part of the Indian world are you in? Employment possibilities are different everywhere? So many AIS students think they are going to get a job with their tribe, but those jobs are sooooo few. Some tribes have small historic preservation and education depts, positions that may be filled for decades without an opening. State and local govt's are the same way. And yes, some people get jobs right away, but that is rare.
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As a professor of American Indian Studies, one who advises students in the field, this are not easy questions.

It is difficult to answer because we need to talk specifics. RayofSun and meashcrme, what school do you go to or want to go to? What kind of "writer" do you want to be Ray of Sun? Fiction is one thing, factual is another? What do you consider to be a "job"? What kind of work are you looking for?

Are you from a tribe that can support you with percap or casino payments? Or will this be your only income?

What part of the Indian world are you in? Employment possibilities are different everywhere? So many AIS students think they are going to get a job with their tribe, but those jobs are sooooo few. Some tribes have small historic preservation and education depts, positions that may be filled for decades without an opening. State and local govt's are the same way. And yes, some people get jobs right away, but that is rare.

lets see. community college for my first three years, get a scholarship. as for what type of writer am i? both fiction and fact, because i'll be writing different books, so i cant say only one. what do i consider a job? i'm not sure i follow you there.
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lets see. community college for my first three years, get a scholarship. as for what type of writer am i? both fiction and fact, because i'll be writing different books, so i cant say only one. what do i consider a job? i'm not sure i follow you there.
Have you written a book yet? do you know the process of getting a book published? Have you published anything? Most books are written by people, including natives, with advanced degrees. I'm not sure you understand the process and hope you have been advised appropriately by your university.
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Have you written a book yet? do you know the process of getting a book published? Have you published anything? Most books are written by people, including natives, with advanced degrees. I'm not sure you understand the process and hope you have been advised appropriately by your university.

actually its funny you mentioned that, because yes i am writing a book, halfway finished. yes i know the process of getting a book published, no i havent published anything yet because i am not done yet. i understand the process, it has taken me two years so far with a book i'm currently working on, i may not have a degree yet but my parents taught me well, and i am a quick learner.
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actually its funny you mentioned that, because yes i am writing a book, halfway finished. yes i know the process of getting a book published, no i havent published anything yet because i am not done yet. i understand the process, it has taken me two years so far with a book i'm currently working on, i may not have a degree yet but my parents taught me well, and i am a quick learner.
Writing a book is one thing, lots of people do that. Getting a book published by a reputable and respected publisher is another. After you submit it, it will be sent out to review. Those reviewers will either reject it, recommend changes, or recommend it published as is. In this current economic climate, fewer and fewer books are being published.

Where are you getting a degree in American Indian Studies, who are you working with? and what is your book about? The answer to those questions will tell us alot.
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Writing a book is one thing, lots of people do that. Getting a book published by a reputable and respected publisher is another. After you submit it, it will be sent out to review. Those reviewers will either reject it, recommend changes, or recommend it published as is. In this current economic climate, fewer and fewer books are being published.

Where are you getting a degree in American Indian Studies, who are you working with? and what is your book about? The answer to those questions will tell us alot.

yeah i know, trust me i've gotten an ear full of the process before. lots of questions huh? hehehe. but as to what college i'll be attending when i get my scholarship, still discussing this with my family. i dont mean to be rude, but i havent told anyone other then my family what my book is about, i just rather it be a surprise for everyone....
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Writing a book is one thing, lots of people do that. Getting a book published by a reputable and respected publisher is another. After you submit it, it will be sent out to review. Those reviewers will either reject it, recommend changes, or recommend it published as is. In this current economic climate, fewer and fewer books are being published.

Where are you getting a degree in American Indian Studies, who are you working with? and what is your book about? The answer to those questions will tell us alot.
Great questions, Iowa_Boy!

Is there a difference in AIS from say, University of Alabama, Birmingham and Sinte Gleska University?

What is the mindset of Urban vs Reservation students?

People who come to mind are WhoMe and Dr. Helen Schierbek. How much does the environment you are raised in affect your ability to get a job after graduation?
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Great questions, Iowa_Boy!

Is there a difference in AIS from say, University of Alabama, Birmingham and Wambli Gleska College?

What is the mindset of Urban vs Reservation students?

People who come to mind are WhoMe and Dr. Helen Schierbek. How much does the environment you are raised in affect yuor ability to get a job after graduation?

... um are you asking me, or iowa boy?
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If you can answer those, go ahead. It was meant more for those involved in Indian Country on a daily basis.

This is a good thread.
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If you can answer those, go ahead. It was meant more for those involved in Indian Country on a daily basis.

This is a good thread.

oh hahaha no no i was just wondering my bad, thought you were asking me

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if the conversation is finished i'll have to say bye for now.
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if the conversation is finished i'll have to say bye for now.
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I'm going to comment, even if it is speaking "out of turn." But my comments are generic, not restricted to Native American Studies.

Some might find my views elitist - but higher education should not be confused with trade school (and I am in no way denigrating trade school.) The point of higher education isn't to prepare you for a specific job, or even a specific career; the point is simply to be educated.

It doesn't matter if it is an Associate's, Bachelor's, Master's, Ph.D., etc.. Earning a degree shows a level of dedication, and regardless of your major, will put you in a better place searching for employment, than if you had not earned a degree.

There is no such thing as a "useless" degree. Someone asked what jobs require a degree in AIS. Well, what jobs specifically require a Bachelor's in English, French, Linguistics, Psychology, Sociology, Philosophy or any number of other "fluffy" majors? Short answer - not many. But many people, including professionals, don't work in the area in which they majored.

And if a person is truly interested in their area of study, that degree in AIS (or whatever) could well serve to focus their interest on a specific aspect of the field, and give them the knowledge to either act on that interest, or at least know what further knowledge they need to effect change.
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...there was a young man who graduated from college, and went out into the working world, and applied for a job at a huge factory. After all, he had an engineering degree!

He was hired on the spot! Congratulations! The Senior Shift Supervisor was called in to take the grad on a tour of the vast complex of machinery and workshops.

They finally reached the bottom floor, and the Supervisor pointed to a pushbroom that was against the wall. Here's your first Dept, and it needs a sweeping.

The college grad became indignant, "I went to college and got a Master's, and you want me to sweep floors?"

The Supevisor's eyebrows arched up "Oh, they didn't tell me that you have a Master's...here...let me show you how this pushbroom-thingie works."

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Joe,

Thanks for the props. I think the environment that I was raised in has a lot to do with my ability to get a job after graduation. But this is only one variable.

I received a lot of encouragement from my parents, grandparents, relatives, extended family, community and people I have met domestic and internationally. They believed in me and continue to offer sustained encouragement. This gave me strength when I doubted myself.

Whatever I did and continue to do is about the big picture and not about myself. This is where my colleague the late Dr. Shierbek and I were alike. We both always kept in mind that our entire lives were/are dedicated to helping and uplifting Native peoples.

Each week, I have opportunities to speak with Native youth from across Indian country. I promote and advocate their success in whatever they choose to do in life. If this means pursuing a degree in American Indian Education, then I am fully supportive of their endeavor. I can't help everyone, but I try to serve as a resource for professional, cultural and social networking.

When I meet with college students. I let them know that when they become successful in life, in whatever they do, to be sure and help bring other Native people in to their professions. The dominate culture, blacks, orientals and Latinos' have been doing this for centuries.


"We as Native people need to encourage, nuture and help our own as well."


Meash,

Get your degree in American Indian Studies. Dedicate yourself to making good grades. Make a resume. Take on an internship(s) along the way to discover opportunities for a future career. "Shadow" (be a protege) someone in your community as they go about their daily job duties. Join student related organizations that may open doors in the future. Volunteer in your spare time in an area where you will learn new job related skills. Network. Get the word out that you will be joining the workforce.

Once you graduate, continue your pursuit of knowledge. Know that a master's degree (and doctorate if you choose) will increase your chances in being competitive and obtaining a higher paying position. Be willing to relocate. Be willing to compromise and make calculated sacrifices. Always take the high road by being the better person. Be proud of who you are. Make your ancestors and those before you proud. Good luck!



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Thanks for everyone's replies.
I'm still curious.

If a person was interested in directly helping their Native community -- what careers and college majors would help the most?


Health care? Counselors? Social work? Something in Psychology? Or maybe medical like nursing?
What selfless career could make a big difference?



Maybe I'm not wording this right lol
(This is all a general hypothetical question. Also, thanks for the info. on law enforcement.)

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