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Old 08-22-2013, 01:41 AM   #1
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Apache? Nope, Japanese ignorance...

I've seen everything from a Geronimo shot bar in Tokyo to the media calling roaming scrap metal thiefs in Tokyo "Urban Apache" but now there's a Japanese porno company called "Apache" with a stereotypical non-Indian logo complete with feather headdress. Racism rears it's ugly head here all the time but whe it comes to NA's, usually it's cheesy stereotypes or the powerstone newage spiritual crap...this is definitely a new low. Stay classy Japan...


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once they find out you are among them, they will start using Urban Navajo.
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once they find out you are among them, they will start using Urban Navajo.
Or urban Ojibwe.
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I've seen everything from a Geronimo shot bar in Tokyo to the media calling roaming scrap metal thiefs in Tokyo "Urban Apache" but now there's a Japanese porno company called "Apache" with a stereotypical non-Indian logo complete with feather headdress. Racism rears it's ugly head here all the time but whe it comes to NA's, usually it's cheesy stereotypes or the powerstone newage spiritual crap...this is definitely a new low. Stay classy Japan...

Not sure why you are getting your knickers in a knot over a name that was pushed onto the Dine folks... Apache is a French/Spanish hybrid designation. (some say it derives from the French word for Zuni - apachu).

The exonymn that Europeans refused to use was Dine... Most tribal names simply mean "the people" in their own language.

Even the sub-language group that the Dine speak has been misnamed Athabaskan... which is an anglisized version of a Cree word...Aδapaska˙w - meaning the name of a lake where the reeds grown close together... this name was arbitrarily assigned by the white linguist - Albert Gallatin in 1826 classification of languages.

The French have already used the term Urban Apache in describing gangsters/ruffians or rowdy folks... so since Apache is a French word... and it's been in use since the 1700s... kind makes it all very academic on who belongs to the word...
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Not sure why you are getting your knickers in a knot over a name that was pushed onto the Dine folks... Apache is a French/Spanish hybrid designation. (some say it derives from the French word for Zuni - apachu).

The exonymn that Europeans refused to use was Dine... Most tribal names simply mean "the people" in their own language.

Even the sub-language group that the Dine speak has been misnamed Athabaskan... which is an anglisized version of a Cree word...Aδapaska˙w - meaning the name of a lake where the reeds grown close together... this name was arbitrarily assigned by the white linguist - Albert Gallatin in 1826 classification of languages.

The French have already used the term Urban Apache in describing gangsters/ruffians or rowdy folks... so since Apache is a French word... and it's been in use since the 1700s... kind makes it all very academic on who belongs to the word...
While I understand that and agree, it doesn't make it any less insulting. The same can be said about the words "Japan" and "Japanese" as the country is Nihon or Nippon and the people are Nihonjin or Nipponjin. "Apache" may not have a very nice or correct origin but it is a word that is used in place of Dine in English and other languages.
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While I understand that and agree, it doesn't make it any less insulting. The same can be said about the words "Japan" and "Japanese" as the country is Nihon or Nippon and the people are Nihonjin or Nipponjin. "Apache" may not have a very nice or correct origin but it is a word that is used in place of Dine in English and other languages.
Once upon a time ago, my grandfather suggested that the time on this earth was very limited and one should pick their battles very carefully.

All of our nations have been misnamed. Getting up in arms about it 200-400 years later is not how you solve the problem.

Have you at least tried to learn some of your own people's language? The battle for saving our languages is very real. Now that's a battle I would pick. Once you learn your language, you'll care less and less what "insulting names" folks come up with as you'll be able to educate them in their meaning.
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While I understand that and agree, it doesn't make it any less insulting. The same can be said about the words "Japan" and "Japanese" as the country is Nihon or Nippon and the people are Nihonjin or Nipponjin. "Apache" may not have a very nice or correct origin but it is a word that is used in place of Dine in English and other languages.
Yea, but you speak English, and they don't.
I guarantee there isnít the venom of racism behind these words as you may think. Apache simply doesnít register in the Japanese cultural consciousness. Itís as meaningful as a company logo. If you put it on a shoe company then it means shoes or a car then it means that car. Itís the same if you were to name something Jullado (Iím assuming you donít know who these people are). There isnít the historical reference or knowledge of a people that you are internalizing it with. If anything, itís a shame the cultures donít have enough value or means to overcome the white manís media to come to know each other. But, I think calling it racism is just a corresponding ignorance on your part. The fact of the matter is you are thinking English, or as pointed out French/Spanish; basically, white man speech. Thatís simply not the consciousness there. The white manís intentions or meanings are not universal. If you have a beef about it, then activate in their society and integrate into their cultural consciousness Ė take possession of the word you believe you own. I think calling a people racist that probably havenít even spent 10 seconds on the significance of apache in their entire history is just adding more distance, and conveniently overlooks the more pertinent reality that any meaning conveyed about apache will probably originate from a pale face.
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