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Old 11-23-2009, 10:29 AM   #1
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Old 11-23-2009, 10:59 AM   #2
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Okay, I'll be the one.

This looks spectacularly hokey to me.

Can I -- just yet -- put my finger on why?

No. But it does, no doubt.
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I agree, hokey to the end.
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When I am at Disney I have never had feelings of negativity, LMAO

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Don't mind me... I'm just gonna sit down in that corner over there. I think this thread is gonna get interesting.
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OMG..and i'm going there this weekend. Seriously.

Well, I guess I'll be extra blessed. Or somehow. *LOL*
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I know how skin color doesn't matter but when they look like ghosts, what are we to think? Those have got to be the most "ghostified" Indians ever.
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...the Eastern Band Cherokee, or Cherokee heritage claims are scrutinized more than most... by in large due to their numbers.. and inter-racial matings.. no disrespect meant... the devils advocate in me would ask.. Would it seem as'hokey' if he had been more native in appearance? or perhaps.. a tribe more California in origin? I don't know..jus' askin'...
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Wow, seriously.
Whenever you say you're NDN, someone else is always like,
well, I'm 1 6th Cherokee, or something like that, just to say they're NDN, too.
...& why would you feel negativitey at the Happiest Place on Earth?
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I know how skin color doesn't matter but when they look like ghosts, what are we to think? Those have got to be the most "ghostified" Indians ever.
1. You're right, skin color doesn't matter.
2. Nor does tribal affiliation.
3. Nor does a willingness to prostrate oneself for The Corporation (metaphorical).

That said, treading carefully, this bothers me. I've taken a few days to think, and I am still not entirely certain why, but I have a guess.

Do I believe this to be inherently harmful? Is this guy praying to MY God? Will there be thunder, lightning, a plague of locusts, etc? Should anyone there feel spiritually more safe or blessed due to these actions?

No.

So, what's the rub?

I think its the obvious showmanship of the piece.

Anyone -- and I mean, anyone -- can use the right tools (because it's the tools and faith, not the person), hit the four directions, say a prayer, and be done. It's blessed. Nobody even knows, get the Hell out of there, deed is handled, unobtrusively.

In sum, the big pile of Mountain Man crap in the middle of the room isn't necessary, unless you're putting on a show for the assembled masses.

Which means, in this case, it wouldn't matter (see numerical statements, above) who is doing this or why: that's what you're doing.

Me? "Homey don't play for the masses."

And, so, I find this bothersome: it smacks of KiowaKat and her ilk.
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he's eastern band cherokee and wearing a "belt" of the six nations iroquois confederacy
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Well obviously he's making a mockery of the Indigenous peoples, with a made up ritual which lacks sincerety, and using a waterbird fan at, is that legal to use in Florida?....

As for the pelts, hides, and what not on the floor, I wondering if that is for his Native Ritual Give-away?!.....

Talk about reaching out on this one?

Okay now lets see all the replies.......
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just for the sake of asking it....

is it more offensive to have a commercialized ritual in a commercial atmosphere, or to have the real thing in a commercial atmosphere? Just asking...
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