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Old 10-14-2004, 01:00 PM   #21
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I don't understand your question Kiyaani's mom.....
See what happens when I just type, type, type, without thinking through my thoughts first.

What i meant was I wish there was a different way to determine eligibility for tribal enrollment without just looking at Blood Quantum. But if you totally remove it, then you could have more caos and people who are not indian succeeding at getting enrolled.

And so I concluded it's too complex......

Now I will add, maybe Navajo's should revert to a clan system enrollment. We have a strong well defined matriarcal clan system. And we believe you are what your mother is. So if she has a specific clan then you have that clan and are Navajo. It may leave out male decendents, but then it would be their responsibility to marry Navajo women. Hmmmmm....
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Old 10-14-2004, 10:09 PM   #22
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Yep that's how ours works Kiyaanii mom! Ok yeah I understand now... and I agree.

Lax (Ill respond to your PM later... been kinda hectic here today) I hear what you are saying, but then I know some of them blue eyed blondes are half blooded as well. In my family there is this hair and skin coloration that is very light for some reason, and some of them that have it are full blooded. My daughter is 1/3 and she's got that coloration, my brother is 1/2 and he's got the hair. I know alot of us Haudenosaunee have varying hair, eye and skin colors among us and then there's that red hair gene LOL! I heard that one came from the vikings way way way back when. I know what you are saying though and those folks that have nothing to do with the rest of the community unless it involves something for them... don't care if they are one drop or full blooded, I don't care for it.
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People won't look at these children and see them as Indians but as what color is dominate in the child.
That is sad that these such children and even adults would have to face being told they dont belong becasue they are not full blood, In sum ways that would be counter productive since many would turn away from the Native culture for being ridiculed for sumthing that wasnt thier choice.
I feel that we need to stop worrying so much about who is full and who isnt, yes granted fer funding purposes and rights and so forth it is am important issue but if we have young children around discriminating thier own kind just fer not having the full blood of thier people run through thier veins than we as the Older generation our teaching the same thing the white man taught us to treat others who are different like they are not human beings.
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Old 10-15-2004, 10:16 AM   #24
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That is sad that these such children and even adults would have to face being told they dont belong becasue they are not full blood, In sum ways that would be counter productive since many would turn away from the Native culture for being ridiculed for sumthing that wasnt thier choice.
I feel that we need to stop worrying so much about who is full and who isnt, yes granted fer funding purposes and rights and so forth it is am important issue but if we have young children around discriminating thier own kind just fer not having the full blood of thier people run through thier veins than we as the Older generation our teaching the same thing the white man taught us to treat others who are different like they are not human beings.
This is exactly what blood quanutm and enrollment were designed to do.
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I guess maybe i do not fully understand the Blood quantum method.. but i have witnessed people who beleive they are better than others because they are 100% native verses people who are partial... i do not feel this is necessary...
I totally agree with the fact the sum do claim to be of Native ancestory when they really arent and those are the ones that kinda ruin the process and pass on false traditions and practices. so it is a sensitive topic and we have the right to wonder of course but yet at the same time we do need to be careful and realize that those who are partial usually will embrace thier native side more than thier other unless they have been made to feel less of a person fer not being full blooded. I must say tho that i have been lucky in that i have not been ridiculed for being a half breed and i have always embraced my native heritage or was alwasy drawn to it. Our heritage is one that is strong so i guess in a way it would make sense that sum would want to claim to be Native when they are not, but they should not pass themselves as one because then they are looked at wannabes instead of person who is interested and wants to share with us.
i dont know if i totally make sense... but dont get me wrong... i agree that there should be sum method Im just not sure what it should be. Ill have too read more about it so that i understand it more... but I know that we need to protect our rights .. the rights that our ancestors fought so hard for us...
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There are a few cats out there that right some really solid books on the subject. I'd reccomend the following fellas for some thoughts on politics, culture, identity and power.

Vine De Loria Jr.
God is Red (this is very heavy reading - reader beware)

Ward Churchill
Little Matter of Genocide Holocaust and Denial in the Americas 1492 to Present.

Taiaiake Alfred
Peace, Power, and Righteousness
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Thankyou for your suggested reading ... I will be sure to check them out, i am always interested in what more I can learn... We can always use more knowledge.
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Hey all,

I hear a lot about the federal government. Do you really trust the federal government? Do they really care about blood quantum? I think it is really a matter of divide and conquer! It's been happening every since they found out it works!
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Side four - If you have blonde hair or look like you have African Heritage (even if you do carry a card), sometime in your life, an identifiable Indian is going to question your Indianness.

I have to agree with this last statement.

There are some young women that work in the same building that I work. They are women that choose to marry outside of the Indian Nation. Although the children are enough to be enrolled with us, others see them different.

But now they are crying around. One the young ladies live in a small tribal housing community. She is getting mad and hurt because her children are being called names like n*****. She simply cannot believe that other children would actually be like that. What I find amusing is the woman is actually shocked. I am sure her family told her what the consciences would be when she started dating the would-be husband.

I don't agree with the name calling of these innocent children. The mother of these children should have been prepared for something like this to happen. People won't look at these children and see them as Indians but as what color is dominate in the child
Hey all,

With all due respect and I don't mean any harm by what I'm about to say but what I'm about to say is true 100%. I'm sure you must know that if you are ndn, black, Mexican, Arabic, etc., and your skin is copper color (brown) they call you "n*****" anyway. And your spouse don't have to be "black" or "African American."

I have Oglala Lakota cousins from Wounded Knee that live in Rapid City and she told me not to long ago that she was shopping with her 4 year old son and he was keeping a whole lot of noise like little children keep and this lady looked at her and called them "n******" and told them to go back to their side of town. I live in North Carolina and I've heard ndns called "feathered n******" at pow-wows by pow-wow visitors. I turned around and looked right into the person's face and he turned as red as blood and walked away. And at that time, he was talking about the adults not the children.
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Insidious and sinister, that's blood quantum.
I've been saying so for a while, now.
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Yeah I get that word dropped on me alot here in NCAL and back home too. They say "Prarie N-word" though, mostly.
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By some people's standards, you are only truly an Indian if you are more than 50%. Meaning if you're less than half, you're just a white guy with some Indian in him but still "a white guy" nevertheless. And that means "doing Indian things" such as going to powwows or showing up for ceremonial works means you are merely trying to be Indian or trying to be more Indian than you really are (i.e. a wannabe). Genetics being what they are, some people are accepted to do so better than others. For example, Mexican people are our genetic cousins (and technically the only difference between NDN's in the U.S. or Canada and those in Mexico are just that: their location and a man-made national boundary). I know a boy who is the son of a Mexican man and a white woman, he grows his hair out and has it braided, so with his somewhat bronze skin tone and long, thick black hair and brown eyes he fits right into the rest of the crowd as he stands there in his outfit. Had God decided that his mom's genetics be more dominant in him, he'd b a little lighter complected and perhaps have her light brown, wavy hair. I know another, with a Mexican father and a white mother but they divorced and she remarried an NDN. The boy definitely looks like a purebred Irishman, red hair and fair skin with freckles. He would sing on a drum and dance grass in respect to his stepdad's traditions, which being adopted into the man's family are properly his own, but people would give him all kinds of flack for it even though he is one of those cases where he has the right through family adoption (though it's none of their damn business really). So the real question is not just blood quantum when it comes to powwows, but how well you look the part.
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i think.... (based on my own personal experience)
you can't control how much you got of what you got. It is what it is. if it puts you on this side of the fence or that.. you got no control.
if you're an insider you are an insider, if you're an outsider then you are an outisder. accept it with grace & dignity.
what you CAN control is how you treat ppl or how educate yourself.
whatever your BQ may be, its no excuse for ignorance or hate.
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