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Old 07-31-2007, 06:59 PM   #21
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You obviously need to do more research. While the Chickasaw Freedmen were never adopted and not citizens of the nation in which they lived, the Cherokee, Choctaw, Creek and Seminole Freedmen (with or without blood of the tribe) were CITIZENS of their respective nations. If you want to fully understand the legal status of the Freedmen, I suggest you read a couple of books. First read "The Cherokee Freedmen" by Dan Littlefield. And then read "A People Without A Country, The Chickasaw Freedmen," also by Dr. Littlefield. You might also read a couple of US Supreme Court cases, first read Alberty v. United States, where the Freedmen of the Cherokee Nation were determined to be Cherokee citizens. And then read Cherokee Nation v. United States in the U.S. Court of Claims where the Court ruled that the Cherokee Freedmen were in fact citizens of the Cherokee Nation, NOT forced on the tribe and were entitled to equal treatment with Cherokees by blood. If you are truly interested in learning the truth about the Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes, visit my dad's website John's Place, dicussion forum for Cherokee politics, and read some original documents.
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I found this link on Google...

THE UNITED CHEROKEE NATION

Is this a federally recognized tribe? Unless I'm misreading, it sounds like anyone who is willing to swear that they're Cherokee is taken for face value, and there is a charge for membership...

Maybe I misread...
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The Freedmen have been citizens of the Cherokee Nation since 1866. They have lived with, among and intermarried with Cherokees by blood for over 140 years. Even before slavery ended, the ancestors of many of the Freedmen lived as slaves with Cherokee Indians and crossed the Trail of Tears. The benefits you speak of are handouts from the white man designed to control tribal people. 90 percent of the Cherokee population is less than 1/4 Cherokee by blood. It could be easily said of them, mostly late-comers, that they are only seeking "benefits." The Freedmen started their struggle for rights in the Cherokee Nation when they were booted out by Ross Swimmer in 1983. They had lived unmolested in the Cherokee Nation prior to that heinous act. I entered their struggle in 1988 when I wrote a letter to Wilma Mankiller, the Principal Chief, asking her to investigate the plight of the Freedmen and restore their rights. I was threatened with being fired from the Cherokee Nation. The struggle for the rights of the Freedmen begain LONG before the development of Indian gaming. Even prior to being kicked out of the tribe in 1983, the Freedmen were not eligible for Indian Health Services or programs because they could not show they had Indian blood, a fact denied them by the racist Dawes Commission in 1902. So don't go spreading hateful lies about the Freedmen seeking benefits. Take a look at how proud the Seminole Freedmen were and continue to be as citizens of the Seminole Nation, even though their own government denies them ANY benefits because of their negro ancestry. If you are going to talk about an oppressed and innocent people, at least tell the truth.
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I feel bad for the Cherokee's because anyone and everyone already claims to be Cherokee. Now they're being punished for standing up for themselves and saying who can be a part of their Nation and who can't? Just shameful.
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I found this link on Google...

THE UNITED CHEROKEE NATION

Is this a federally recognized tribe? Unless I'm misreading, it sounds like anyone who is willing to swear that they're Cherokee is taken for face value, and there is a charge for membership...

Maybe I misread...

good luck with any legit Cherokee tribe helping us with these bogus groups, the more they ignore this problem the more it grows.....
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I feel bad for the Cherokee's because anyone and everyone already claims to be Cherokee. Now they're being punished for standing up for themselves and saying who can be a part of their Nation and who can't? Just shameful.
Yeah, there are many, many people who claim to be Cherokee.

The folks who are being segregated today, as their ancestors were by the Dawes Commission are descendants of Cherokee Citizens (allottees).

Many of the Freemen descendants are Cherokee by Blood. If you are going to deny registration and subsequent voting rights, amongst other aspects of citizenship, then call it what it is ~ kicking out your own people, own up to it.
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I found this link on Google...

THE UNITED CHEROKEE NATION

Is this a federally recognized tribe? Unless I'm misreading, it sounds like anyone who is willing to swear that they're Cherokee is taken for face value, and there is a charge for membership...

Maybe I misread...
Fony as the other 240 or so wannabee groups, the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma made noises like they might do something about it, but they backed off, they sent THIS LETTER to the State of Tenneesee about their policy of recognizing these fony groups, (scroll down to page 14 to see the list of fonies) but because they are just as BOGUS, they don't dare chance the fact Tenneesee might challenge their right to even be babbling about wannabees when they are no better.
You can GO HERE to see the website of the REAL United Cherokee Nation Then go to Cornsilks to learn how and why the cherokee Nation of Oklahoma is BOGUS!
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John, I hope these other people realize that Chad Smith's Cherokee Nation antics are putting every other tribe's sovereignty in danger. But the racists can't look ahead to the future, they just want to look back to the days of slavery and remain racist.

Maybe if they visit your site John's place they will learn the truth about how bogus Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma is.
Well they are welcome to come to JOHN'S PLACE and read, and you can get to cornsilk's from there to realy learn about CNO, we have simillar registering process as here to post, but anyone can read.

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Northofada: as far as I know this group of United Cherokees is not Fed. Rec.. I would be in favor of a United Cherokee Confederation. But there isn't any such thing, at least not yet.

I would like to say that I personally know John Cornsilk. He is a good man and honorable. I just wanted to say this incase someone thinks he may be a kook or something. Thanks, John for your words. I have many friends who I have talked with BUT would not mention their names unless they wish. I know that sometimes things happen to people if they don't agree with the Tribal Govnt.
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Just read the bill

If people would just read the Watson bill, they would understand that there is a LOT more involved than just the Freedmen.
The bill refers to 'illegally elected chief' and 'operating under an illegal constitution.'

The BIA refuses to approve the 03/99 constitution, yet Smith has implemented all the new provisions of the constitution. Everything is operated under something that is not illegal. And then, to get around it, he promotes and campaigns for a vote to oust federal oversight. And the voters fell for it.
Shows you what people don't know about history.

The Cherokee Agreement of 1902 with the Federal Government stated that the President must approve future resolutions, laws, etc., because the Cherokee Nation was dissolved March 4, 1906. It only continues to operate 'under the BIA' to manage the remaining assets of the former tribe' and to function for the original enrollees, of which there are only a few. Thanks to Swimmer, they continue to operate to provide federal government services to mixed blood descendants. So, of COURSE the federal government should have oversight! Especially when the majority of their funding is from federal money, while they stash away millions and millions from their casinos, which are operated by a separate corporation, and not the tribe.

If you feel sorry for anyone, feel sorry for all the Keetoowah Cherokees who are 1/4 to fullblood, with the majority of their money being self-generated and 80% speaking their own language. Everytime a Keetoowah attempts to utilize some of the federal money Cherokee Nation has which is supposed to be for ANY federally recognized Indian in the 14 counties, they are literally told "you will be put at the bottom of the list because you are a member of the UKB."
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I have read all these posts and there are many issues stiring around:

1) The Freedman issue: No opionion

2) The Consistution of 1999 and 2003: Same as the 1975

3) Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma: Listed on my CDIB

4) United Keetoowah Band: Grandparents both listed

5) Chad Smith: No opionion

Have I missed any?

And yet we are still fighting amongst ourselfs
I remember a time when the Blood law was trying to be enacted against WW Keeler for selling us down the river and nothing has changed in all those years....

Still fighting
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Fony as the other 240 or so wannabee groups, the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma made noises like they might do something about it, but they backed off, they sent THIS LETTER to the State of Tenneesee about their policy of recognizing these fony groups, (scroll down to page 14 to see the list of fonies) but because they are just as BOGUS, they don't dare chance the fact Tenneesee might challenge their right to even be babbling about wannabees when they are no better.
You can GO HERE to see the website of the REAL United Cherokee Nation Then go to Cornsilks to learn how and why the cherokee Nation of Oklahoma is BOGUS!
Thanks for clarifying - and welcome to the site and discussion!

Visited your site - you make some eye-opening points. Although I am as much Cherokee as Chickasaw, per family history, I can only document the Chickasaw blood line and am enrolled there, otherwise I would happily sign your petition...

I'll be reading this thread with much interest, though...
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Thanks for clarifying - and welcome to the site and discussion!

Visited your site - you make some eye-opening points. Although I am as much Cherokee as Chickasaw, per family history, I can only document the Chickasaw blood line and am enrolled there, otherwise I would happily sign your petition...

I'll be reading this thread with much interest, though...
The petition to Stop a Dictater in the Center of America, is not just for Cherokee, it is going to the US congress, and the actions by Congress will have an effect on all of Indian Country if anyone is unhappy with a dictatorial type of tribal leadership such as we have, and I know there are many others, with whom the federal government needs to do their duty to the Indian community...

We have Creek, Choctaw, Chickasaw signers, and white folk taxpayers , because the dictator waste tax money money, and one I noticed yesterday from the Citizen Potawatomi tribe and a poster on Indianz.com (Johnnie Flynn) a very active citizen of that Nation against a tyrant quite like our Smith, that signed with a comment he said:

Not only should you shut down the Cherokee Nation, take it off the government dole, but also the Citizen Potawatomi Nation who is using its federal funds to persecute elders, arrest political opponents, and destroy families. If this were happening in any other country, foreign aid would be shut off. But it is allowed to go on unchecked all over Indian Country.

There are Chickasaw Freedmen who are just as unhappy with that government as all freedmen of all the tribes are.
Flynn's comment said it all, why every tribal members should sign this petition: CLICK HERE
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I have read all these posts and there are many issues stiring around:

1) The Freedman issue: No opionion

2) The Consistution of 1999 and 2003: Same as the 1975

3) Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma: Listed on my CDIB

4) United Keetoowah Band: Grandparents both listed

5) Chad Smith: No opionion

Have I missed any?

And yet we are still fighting amongst ourselfs
I remember a time when the Blood law was trying to be enacted against WW Keeler for selling us down the river and nothing has changed in all those years....

Still fighting
Well then it is about time you corrected number 5, to not have an opinion of this pitiful excuse of a man is inexcusable. you can learn a lot by going to John's Place and read comments, then go to chad da weezle.com and click around on all the links there, and if you don't come away with an opinion, you will either be dead er can'r read!

Actually you can find poop on all the numbers at cornsilks.com, click the Cover-page banner then Cherokee Issues and more, then Cherokee Documents and learn learn...On number 3 do you mean cno membership crd? My CDIB does not mention CNO... If that is what you mean, then you have an old card pre-chad it tells you you are a member of the 3rd class indian club the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, chad has tried to change that but it aint happened yet legally.
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Say no to US govt detemining membership issues.

if CNO want to kick off freedman and they voted for it then fine!
If CNO want to keep Delaware, then fine!

Cherokees should have a right to determine who they want or don't want on their roll according to their own voting and policies.

US govt should have no bearing in determing membership policies for any tribe!
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Say no to US govt detemining membership issues.

if CNO want to kick off freedman and they voted for it then fine!
If CNO want to keep Delaware, then fine!

Cherokees should have a right to determine who they want or don't want on their roll according to their own voting and policies.

US govt should have no bearing in determing membership policies for any tribe!
I totally agree.
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Say no to US govt detemining membership issues.

if CNO want to kick off freedman and they voted for it then fine!
If CNO want to keep Delaware, then fine!

Cherokees should have a right to determine who they want or don't want on their roll according to their own voting and policies.

US govt should have no bearing in determing membership policies for any tribe!
Don't the Delawares have a say in their own self determination? How is it "fine" when the Delaware are made Cherokees against their own wishes?
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Say no to US govt detemining membership issues.

if CNO want to kick off freedman and they voted for it then fine!
If CNO want to keep Delaware, then fine!

Cherokees should have a right to determine who they want or don't want on their roll according to their own voting and policies.

US govt should have no bearing in determing membership policies for any tribe!
The United States government is NOT interfering in the membership decisions of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. The U.S. government is exercising its own sovereign perogative to NOT expend funds on a rogue government bent on destroying the lives of its citizens. Chad Smith and the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma have now joined the ranks of governments who commit genocide against their own citizens such as Sudan, Serbia, Russia, Uganda and South Africa. Every taxpayer in this country wants to believe that their tax dollars are going to help people rather than hurt them. The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma can do as it pleases with its citizens, oust the freedmen, enslave the Delawares, crush the Keetoowahs. Its all about sovereignty. But as a sovereign, there is a price to be paid in the real world for such behaviors. The government to government relationship between the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma and the United States is one of mutual respect and recognition. The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma has done something the United States cannot respect or support. There is no way for the U.S. to invade the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma and use force to protect the rights of tribal minorities. The first and in this case only avenue for one sovereign to pressure another sovereign to treat its citizens right is the power of the purse. Chad Smith and the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma have stepped into the arena of the big dogs. The U.S. Congress is reacting to their actions like a big dog. If Chad Smith and the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma can't run with the big dogs, they shouldn't have gotten off the porch.
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Say no to US govt detemining membership issues.

if CNO want to kick off freedman and they voted for it then fine!
If CNO want to keep Delaware, then fine!

Cherokees should have a right to determine who they want or don't want on their roll according to their own voting and policies.

US govt should have no bearing in determing membership policies for any tribe!
This complete irrational babbling by an apparent fool, that has not bothered to lern a dang that about what you choose to babble about, I ask one simple question, do you believe in elected officials obeying Law? or do you think it is ok to violate law as long as they can get away with it.

There is much you could learn about the Cherokee if you wanted to, simply go to cornsilks.com,, click every link there read and pay some dang tention, then you just might be qualified to babble about Cherokee business. but if you don't want to take that kind of time, at least read the Watson bill with concern for LAW and violation thereof, simply CLICK HERE

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Say no to US govt detemining membership issues.

if CNO want to kick off freedman and they voted for it then fine!
If CNO want to keep Delaware, then fine!

Cherokees should have a right to determine who they want or don't want on their roll according to their own voting and policies.

US govt should have no bearing in determing membership policies for any tribe!
Simpleton words of a fool, that babbles with out learning a little of which they babble, let me ask Do you believe in obeying law? or is it Ok to violate if one thinks one can get away with it?

The words of the 1866 Treaty of the Cherokee are quite clear, as is the 13th ammendment to the US Constitution. If you are not going to bother with learning a little truth about law, and its application to the issue on which you babble, at least read watson's Bill with concern of Law an violation! this applies to the hand clapper agreeing with your pure BS as well!
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