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Old 09-12-2006, 02:56 PM   #1
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Do white people consider their race important? Are they aware of how their
racial status gives them advantages in America? In unusual study, most whites
said "yes'' to both questions.

_Jean Hopfensperger_ (mailto:[email protected]) , Star Tribune
Last update: September 10, 2006 – 11:31 PM

White people consider their race to be an important part of who they are,
and most are aware that being white gives them advantages in America, according
to an unusual survey released last week by the University of Minnesota.
The findings emerged from what the university billed as the first national
telephone survey of white people discussing their concept of racial identity.
It's part of a growing -- and controversial -- field of scholarly research
called "Critical Whiteness Studies," which focuses the lens of race relations on
the white majority.
The survey found that 74 percent of white Americans interviewed said their
racial identity was important -- a number that surprised researchers, who
believed that Caucasians simply took their race for granted.
Likewise, the white Americans said they understood they benefit from their
race.
While more than 80 percent said access to schools and social connections were
important in explaining "white advantage" over racial minorities, 62 percent
said prejudice and discrimination against non-whites also explained those
advantages.
"The assumption has been that for many white Americans, race is something
other people have," said Doug Hartmann, a sociology professor at the University
of Minnesota and co-author of the study. "Experts in the field and diversity
trainers assumed that whites overlooked their own race."But you can't deal
with the problems of race and inequality by just looking at the people who are
disadvantaged," Hartmann said.
Research has critics
The study is part of a growing body of research on the attitudes and beliefs
of white people, in particular in the context of race relations. The field of
Whiteness Studies has its own conferences, university classes and even
"Whiteness Scholars."
But critics say much of the work has focused too much on white people in the
context of oppressing of minorities. One of them is Mitch Pearlstein,
president of the Center of the American Experiment, a conservative think tank based
in Minneapolis.
"The perspective is almost always built on the assumption this is inherently
a racist society, that white people have loads and loads of privileges, and
that virtually everything in American society is skewed against people of
color," Pearlstein said. "It discounts how complicated race is."
Hartmann said he is "neither pro-Whiteness studies or anti-Whiteness
studies." The survey was simply an attempt to test preconceptions about whites' lack
of awareness of their own race.
In 2003, Hartmann and the study's co-authors commissioned a telephone survey
that reached 2,000 people -- 1,000 white, 500 black, 400 Hispanic and 100
other members of racial minorities. The survey results were presented at the
annual meeting of the American Sociology Association in Montreal last month.
The study showed Caucasians were indeed aware of their race and the
advantages it brings to them, said Hartmann. But it also found that both Caucasians
and racial minorities strongly valued individualistic ideals such as freedom
and hard work.
The study found similarities and differences between the two groups.
• Three-fourths of the whites, and 91 percent of the racial minorities, said
their cultures must be preserved. But only a small minority in each group
belonged to organizations dedicated to that goal.
• Only 17 percent of whites, and 23 percent of racial minorities, said racial
"favoritism" helped them get ahead.
• Fewer than 50 percent of whites thought U.S. laws and institutions
contributed to disadvantages for blacks. But 81 percent of minority groups believed
they did.
Minnesotans such as John Lund, CEO of the Sons of Norway, says he's not
convinced that most white people think of themselves primarily in terms of the
color of their skin. It's ethnic identity that shapes many of them, he said.
"I don't think of myself as white," said Lund, whose Minneapolis-based
organization works to promote and preserve Norwegian heritage. "I think of myself
as an American of Norwegian ancestry."
Lund says he feels even "less white" than 20 years ago, as he has watched a
world of new immigrants and African Americans make Minnesota home. His
son-in-law is black, he said. His grandchildren will be mixed race. He feels at
home in that spectrum of color.
"I don't know if considering ourselves by color really promotes anything," he
said.
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Old 09-12-2006, 04:57 PM   #2
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White people or caucasians, which ever you prefer, certainly do not worry about, or consider, or deal with issues that other races have to face on a daily basis. Issues that have been dealt extending over a long length of time and what not..issues that result in molding the way entire races view the world around them.

(By the way, why is everyone else a minority? ) It is also certainly ironic that a nation founded on people seeking a new life away from tyranny and injustice inflicted, in turn project that same treatment on the Native people of this continent. But anywayz, there is something deep down inside of me that makes me think that some, not all, but some white people wake up everday, drink their coffee, watch the news, see the world around them, and think 'thank God I woke up a white person today!'.

But, all non-white people of the world have certainly gained from this. We make white people accountable and aware of the world we all live in as best we can. For instance, Natives can walk down the street wearing Native Pride hats and shirts simply because we come from a heritage and culture that we can be proud of. Now, let a white guy walk down the street with a White Pride hat on....see how long that lasts. We can call our friends and relatives Skinz. Now, let a white guy come up to a bunch of Nativez and say 'What's up Skinz?'.

Well, juss messin' around, but those white people that take being white really seriously and you can see it in their eyes. There are white people that live in the gutter and see the same issues that any rez or ghetto or bario might see. And, there are white people that are proud to be Americans but see fit to learn and teach their culture, languauge and traditions of what ever country their ancestors might have come from. Which they are entitled to..no probs.

The white people we have to deal with are Americans, hence 'white America'. The most notorious, provacative and scrutinized species of the caucasian race to ever evolve on this planet. Don't get me wrong, I know a bunch of them and most of them aren't that bad. But, really, not a lot of people in this world like them, even the people from the countries which most white people came from!

It makes me feel, almost sad, well for a second anywayz, okay now I'm done, that white people can go on living their lives not knowing where they are from. Or, never tracing their roots back to their mother countries, because they are so wrapped up in believing that the life they are living is truly the American way and there is no other way of life, and no other way of life is better. Geez, how long has America been around, like just over 200 some years? Not very long considering the history of mankind!

So, being that this is America, diversity has given those white people, that don't really want to grasp or take advantage of our America being a white America, outlets to fill that void in their lives. He-hum, such as hip-hop, goth, Peace Corp, etc.

And of course, the American Indians! Thus, every white person has a Cherokee grandmother and not only that, she was a princess or something. Then some go so far as to get a bone choker, hi-top leather moccasins, leather headband or a plume connected to a roach clip for them to put in their hair. It's great! And, I don't mind, really.

I'm all for white people doing that rather than them dressing up in ties and walking door to door spreading the word about Jehovah, or shaving their head and wearing Doc Martins, and sleeveless shirts with tattoos of swastikas...

Long story short, some and most white Americans out of fear of whatever, take full advantage of being a white person in America. Then some have seen the importance of learning their ancestoral culture. Then some almost completely denying their race, look for those little outlets.
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Just My Opinion...

Ok, so here is my take on this issue. If we look back in US history, we will find that the same government that singled our peoples' out for termination made up the term “white” to group together a bunch of light skinned people of varying ethnicities. Why would they want to do this? Well, if white people identify with their ethnicity: i.e Celtic, English/Anglo, Italian, German etc… than they are no longer the majority because they are a bunch of separate ethnic groups. So, the govt. had to group these people together into one group in order to make us and other people of color “minorities.” By definition, “white” is not a race and “white people” are defined by what they are not rather than what they are, i.e. not Black, not NdN, not Mexican, not Arab, not Asian etc… So the whole concept of “white” as a race yet another lie perpetrated by the US government. It is the reason light skinned people of other countries do not identify themselves as white. Light skinned peoples of other countries identify themselves by their true ethnicity. In my opinion, the “critical whiteness studies" are just an opportunity for the government to check up and see how their experiment is going.
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To me, my personal opinion is that white people came from Europe.

In Europe, white people (and others) are deeply nationalistic.

If you called a Brit a bloody German.....

Well, those are fighting words.

Also, there are lots of skinheads in Europe (and a few here too). They are definitely proud of being white.
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Now really, really white people...

are actually pink. *L
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This is kind of an interesting topic...

I remember watching a tv show a few years back called "How the Irish became White" Yes there is a deeply ethnic diversity in the skin tone in other parts of the world where Germans are Germans, French are French, Brits are either Brits, Welsh, Irish or Scotish... but once the varying nationalities moved to the US... they became "White" with very little distinction between nationality... but the nationality that arrived later was always viewed with suspicion (sp?), such as the first "whites" moving into the New England area were British, French and a little German... then later group after group that were viewed with caution as sub-human until another group arrived they could distrust and the other group blended into the melting pot of "white" Religion is also a factor... some white supremisist groups believe that "white" means white protestants, while "white" catholics, muslims or Jews are not "White" even though they share a skin tone... It's interesting that these people are still the "dominant" race in almost every phase of the game... and they see "non-white" as a threat... well they should... they really aren't the dominant race anymore, if you were to pool all the other races and unite them as a group labeled "non-white" they would outnumber the "white" side... man this whole subject is confusing to try and understand and comprehend... racism, anti-racism, counter-racism and reverse-racisim... that's way to man ism's! should just be one ism... Humanism...

Just my 49 cents worth...

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Now really, really white people...

are actually pink. *L
LOL LOL- yeah, right, absolutely! -Sorry!!!


Germany still feels guilty. Yes, I do say it this way, cause I think it is true.
I am not a blond pink German. LOL Some are nice, some are attacking people like me. I am not pink and I am not brown.

When I was in US twice this year, I was really able to see some
racism against NDNs - and I was kinda shocked. Are we living in the middle ages???

But what I think was more important...NDNs were greeting each other - and me as well! I went through the streets and young and old NDNs greeted me! Incredible! But not only one white American greeted me in those streets. Only in shops... It feels like- whites have no 'family'. Yes. My two cents.
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*grin* my Irish wife and our German-Welsh-Irish PCA (that musta been a party!) are both so white they glow in da dark!

My experiences with my mother's people (German) are that they deeply care that they are white. They care so much that children who are born to parents where -both- are not German - those mixed children don't exist in what they think of as their extended family.

My mother's mother told Mom (in earshot of us kids) that "when you have children with someone like him they come out like puppies - all different colors ."
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*grin* my Irish wife and our German-Welsh-Irish PCA (that musta been a party!) are both so white they glow in da dark!

My experiences with my mother's people (German) are that they deeply care that they are white. They care so much that children who are born to parents where -both- are not German - those mixed children don't exist in what they think of as their extended family. IHB: I feel sorry...and yes, lots of older Germans are still kinda 'shocked' about what happened in the past. Maybe they think it is 'dangerous' to be a mix. (Hitler). And this still leaves a bad taste, makes them feel uncomfortable. And there are others who think they are much better. I feel it here. Maybe you can see that I have NDN blood in me (less than 20%). My family looks different. In pictures I seem not to belong to them. And that is how I am treated. We better look into our hearts, not at our skins. Sometimes I feel sorry for those poor heartless people full of prejudice, sometimes I feel attacked or even pushed into a corner being forced to strike back.

My mother's mother told Mom (in earshot of us kids) that "when you have children with someone like him they come out like puppies - all different colors ."
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man this whole subject is confusing to try and understand and comprehend... racism, anti-racism, counter-racism and reverse-racisim... that's way to man ism's! should just be one ism... Humanism...
Just my 49 cents worth...

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I read this topic yesterday and thought about it a lot. I do think about it a lot anyway. I hate dropping people into a box because it's getting harder and harder to do. My Maternal side of the family is Swedish and there is a lot of pride in that. One of my distant relatives was a Viking and we have a family crest. My Grandfather has always been sure to teach us and make sure we have that to be proud of. My Paternal side of the family doesn't show pride in their heritage (the majority of them) but they love the fact they are a bunch of Southern Baptist hypocrites. They didn't like anyone who wasn't one of them. Unfortunately my Sister and I fell under that category. lol

Who can be proud to be a part of a race that followed the upsurd idea of Manifest Destiny? I agree with Redshield...too confusing for me, also. All I know is I am proud to be me and proud of the fact so many great people consider me to be a friend, regardless of which box they have to check on the census survey.
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[QUOTE=between2worlds]*grin* my Irish wife and our German-Welsh-Irish PCA (that musta been a party!) are both so white they glow in da dark!

My experiences with my mother's people (German) are that they deeply care that they are white. They care so much that children who are born to parents where -both- are not German - those mixed children don't exist in what they think of as their extended family.

My mother's mother told Mom (in earshot of us kids) that "when you have children with someone like him they come out like puppies - all different colors ."[/QUOTE]

Well that is one hideous thing to say. But you know my Husband is mulatto so I've dealt with the family members who took exception to my choice of spouse. "Nevermind he is a GOOD man just don't let him be DIFFERENT. {gasp}"
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My mother's mother told Mom (in earshot of us kids) that "when you have children with someone like him they come out like puppies - all different colors ."
Well that is one hideous thing to say. But you know my Husband is mulatto so I've dealt with the family members who took exception to my choice of spouse. "Nevermind he is a GOOD man just don't let him be DIFFERENT. {gasp}"
yup. The whole "white" side of my family is like that. My Dad served in WW2 and Korea. He slept on floors and washed dishes so that, along with the GI bill, he could get an education. My mother, shunned (and yeah I mean SHUNNED - that good ole German practice) by her extended family, lived with my father's parents while Dad was in the military, getting his degree and working to save enough money to get us a house.

My mother's mother only had anything to do with us kids because two of us had light enough skins and non-brown eyes so we "passed" as far as she was concerned. The light skinned kids got b-day cards and xmas presents from her. The two with darker skin and brown eyes she had nothing to do with. I learned in my teen years that my mother would get stuff and say it was from Grandma for the ones she did not consider even close to "her kind".

To my parents, Dad's ndn-ness was a curse. Two of us kids took to my Grandfather's ways from his influence raising us while my father was gone. Two of my siblings turned away and it is almost painful to watch them try to "out white" white people.
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it's terrible hearing stories like that B2W. My dad's side (white) never treated us like that. We were always treated no different except by grandma who always thought my mother was the greatest because she'd always be there to help out and us because we lived close and would come visit her often. Grandpa before he passed would sneak one of us out of the house if we were visiting and take us out for a "bite to eat" which meant we'd go to one of his favorite holes in the wall for a burger or ice cream. It was that grandma that taught me how to hand sew since she was a seamstress and I wish I'd learned to use a machine from her before she passed but ended up learning on my own at 30.
They never thought of us as less or more although a few of my cousins did kinda treat us badly as kids but found out later in life it was because they were jealous because we lived close and got to see our grandparents all the time and they did'nt.

I guess we just had it good all around because my mom's side never treated us like the proverbial "half breeds" either. And I always considered myself lucky because I had tons of cousins on both sides to hang with. We're all still very close because of our strong family ties. I love being from two very large families and wish my own could have been large.

But see that's where I get my attitude towards alot of this stuff... cause I was'nt subjected to alot of negativity myself for years and I just can't understand why anyone would hate a member of the family for whatever reason. The only person I never cared for was my uncle's ex-wife because I thought she was a know-it-all beach who was controlling and condenscending to him (he has cerebral palsy but it only effects his motor skills). I've experienced rascism first hand, just never by a family member, ever.
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i think some white ppl think their race to be important..i mean theres some that think its really really important like the KKK...they came up to toledo once and caused a ruckus...it was horrible and these are the original KKK not the younger KKK members the ones who were also nazi once were here i think..we all had to lock our doors cuz the police could barely keep ppl in line.. but we got tons of ppl here who try to be something they aint like they try to act black when they aint...and some ppl say they got 1/16th ndn im like okay okayokay wutever...and then here we have very few ndn's i mean theres my family and theres a couple others but rarely any legit ndn's..i think pplinvent something they aint cuz they are either ashamed of who they are or just deont feel comfortabl ein their own skin
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but ya know i was just thinkin what's truly white anymore? i mean here ya got ppl that marry outta their race...thats wut my ma did and my grandpa (welll him gawd he continously married outta his race*rools eyes*) ...but eventhough they did wut they did im grateful or id never be who i am...theres a reason for everything ppl...personally i would never want any of my future kids to marry outta their race i would encourage them to marry an ndn...thats wut all parents with kids who are less than full blood should do..to keep the blood up..i guess what you would classify ppl as white are europeans but even then they dont declare themselves white they declare wutever they are..i guess in my view ppl who are 1/16th and with no other blood besides european are white...
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Do "white" people consider their race important.

This question really cannot be generalized. Who deems their race important is up to the individual. I personally do not see race important in the sense that one race is superior over another, just that race gives an idea of the general area one's ancestor's come from. Even then, this isn't always accurate.

Humans are humans, regardless of pigment in the skin. I cannot stress this enough, but it seems people these days are so politically correct, instead of trying to get rid of racism by acknowledging our physical differences and moving past them, we tend to favor one race and discriminate another.

To be honest, more and more I see other races attacking the "white" man. It's been many years since the majority of racist "white" folks have had their run. There's a new generation of kind "white: people, and they're receiving the backlash of past conflict. To often I read on forums or journals about how "whites" are evil, yet the authors claim to hate racism?

Racism is a two way street folks. To be quite honest, I don't think we should refer to anyone's skin color unless it's necessary for description (I.E. a drawing or police report). No one is a "pure race." Just my opinion, but I've never understood discriminating or feeling superior over such a silly thing and I find it idiotic.

There are good and bad people with different appearances who come from different places, but let's not use that generalize or to hurt others. It doesn't define who they are, just who you are. Like Morgan Freeman says, stop referring to people by the color of their skin, and acknowledge them as a fellow man.
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I white with an Native Girl Friend. I really don't think about being white. In fact i feel more at home being around her tribal friends and family, and have much more fun with them! When it is all said and done we are God's children! The world would be a much nicer place if we could all just get along!
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I white with an Native Girl Friend. I really don't think about being white. In fact i feel more at home being around her tribal friends and family, and have much more fun with them! When it is all said and done we are God's children! The world would be a much nicer place if we could all just get along!
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