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Old 02-29-2008, 11:56 AM   #101
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What Zeke wants is a whole new category for wasicu girls a la mini buckskin category. He can walk around with his walking stick glued with mirrors to tickle his fancy.
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Interesting conversation. That's all it amounts to. Conversation.

Am I hurt? Nah.

But, it is not right to NOT speak up, if you live in close proximity to the offending parties - the drunk, lascivious chicks. ( I thot Zeke might like that word) To say nothing means that you agree to the antics. To say nothing means that native people agree that it's okay to do this stuff. Just laugh and ignore it means that all other kids in that area can pick up where these ones left off.

Anyways, I live so far away that my objections would probably be meaningless to the girls, their parents, their educators, etc. But....... I am right behind the people who are most affected by this foolishness. If it happened in my neighborhood/city, I wouldn't be so quiet about it.

Carry on. Fight with Zeke. It doesn't help/change the situation up there.
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What Zeke wants is a whole new category for wasicu girls a la mini buckskin category. He can walk around with his walking stick glued with mirrors to tickle his fancy.
shoots, hand me one them sticks too....I'll be the judge for this competition.....yee-ha!!!!...LOL!!!
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We are all individuals, who react to events differently.

Some of you want to punish these girls, for the rest of their lives, to the ends of the earth..... And some people don't....

Anyways.......... Does anyone know what the outcome was on their situation? suspension from school? Kicked off team for drinking? Voted off American Idol?
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I'll be walking wide circles around you..... LOL
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We are all individuals, who react to events differently.

Some of you want to punish these girls, for the rest of their lives, to the ends of the earth..... And some people don't....

Anyways.......... Does anyone know what the outcome was on their situation? suspension from school? Kicked off team for drinking? Voted off American Idol?
All 6 girls were members of the school Hockey Team and they were kicked off...
Some had scholarship offers and those were rescinded...
Also personal threats and some physical violence by Native girls has been reported...
One of the girl's parents is a member of the school board and a petition is going around to remove them...
This has polarized the community and exposed an undercurrent of issues that was bubbling just under the surface
By the reactions in the community it was a big deal despite what we have posted on our little corner of the universe

I am reposted these:

Board committed to safe schools | Fort Frances Times Online

High school, board trying to resolve video outcry | Fort Frances Times Online

Truly sorry | Fort Frances Times Online

Read the comments at the bottom of each story very interesting reading
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All 6 girls were members of the school Hockey Team and they were kicked off...
Some had scholarship offers and those were rescinded...
Also personal threats and some physical violence by Native girls has been reported...
One of the girl's parents is a member of the school board and a petition is going around to remove them...
This has polarized the community and exposed an undercurrent of issues that was bubbling just under the surface
By the reactions in the community it was a big deal despite what we have posted on our little corner of the universe

I am reposted these:

Board committed to safe schools | Fort Frances Times Online

High school, board trying to resolve video outcry | Fort Frances Times Online

Truly sorry | Fort Frances Times Online

Read the comments at the bottom of each story very interesting reading
Thanks Josiah, I sounds like their punishments is fair and just. And is sound like the community is addressing a long over due issue. I sincerely hope for open and honest dialog and healing for this community. If everyone can move toward a more tolerant and respectful community, there is hope for all.
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I think this was blown out of proportion...and the punishment...kicked off team...scholarships rescinded...and threats and violence...has accomplished nothing but make NDN haters out of these girls...I dont think they were racist to begin with...just drunk and stupid...but im sure they will be now...on the surface they'll be cool...but underneath...haters at worst...totally indifferent to native issues at best...and who has learned anything out of this...these girls wont dance again...but they will certainly wont be NDN advocates anytime soon...Im certainly not ok with what they did...but cooler heads should have prevailed. If you want to lop off a guys hand for stealing bread...join the Taliban.

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I think this was blown out of proportion...and the punishment...kicked off team...scholarships rescinded...and threats and violence...has accomplished nothing but make NDN haters out of these girls...I dont think they were racist to begin with...just drunk and stupid...but im sure they will be now...on the surface they'll be cool...but underneath...haters at worst...totally indifferent to native issues at best...and who has learned anything out of this...these girls wont dance again...but they will certainly wont be NDN advocates anytime soon...Im certainly not ok with what they did...but cooler heads should have prevailed. If you want to lop off a guys hand for stealing bread...join the Taliban.
The punishment must fit the crime is an very old notion

Using that as our framework then these girls did no physical harm to anyone, so a physical punishment is out of the question...
So exactly what law did they break??
They were drinking alcohol so that is covered under the law that says no underage drinking and of course the punishment is much harsher if there were injuries
So again what law did they break?
Making a video?
Nope that is not illegal
Mocking a culture not there own
Well despite all that we say here that is not illegal
They merely posted there video on the World stage and we as a public said
Hey that racist!!!

Racism is against the law but usually in employment cases and certainly these girls were not looking for a job!

Hmmmm

so what law did they break

Well there are places in this country where Hate crimes are against the law
At one time you could take a cross and plant in someones Lawn and only be charged with trespassing
But the message of the burning cross was FAR MORE LOUDER
so a law was passed that said hey if you do that you can go to jail!

So what did these girls do
They drank some alcohol and they video taped themselves dancing to a powwow song and made some comments while doing it...
The alcohol merely loosened up what already was inside them lowered there inhibitions and decision making process that said hey maybe this ain't a good idea
Now what I find very disturbing is the fact they posted this video the next day AFTER THEY WERE SOBER

Shh this now is different
This is a deliberate act!
Just as surely as they wrapped a cross and planted on the LAWN in front of my house! They posted this while they were sober and this to me was their crime!
So the punishement was to take away what was dear to them (hockey), and the school was able to distance themselves from them and some scholarships was taken away. Big time Criminals here!

They are athletes, they will rebound and will be ok! They will go off to college and all this will be forgotten.
Afterall what was really done to these girls.
They are all from prominant familys in the community its not like they are poor and living on the rez...

Where did these young girls learn this is my question???
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and dont forget the fact that youtube pulled the video as 'objectionable' and they re posted it.overall.....just another slap on the wrist and a lip service appology
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I think this was blown out of proportion...and the punishment...kicked off team...scholarships rescinded...and threats and violence...has accomplished nothing but make NDN haters out of these girls...I dont think they were racist to begin with...just drunk and stupid...but im sure they will be now...on the surface they'll be cool...but underneath...haters at worst...totally indifferent to native issues at best...and who has learned anything out of this...these girls wont dance again...but they will certainly wont be NDN advocates anytime soon...Im certainly not ok with what they did...but cooler heads should have prevailed. If you want to lop off a guys hand for stealing bread...join the Taliban.
I think bk as a point about the offenders now becoming haters... Just something to think about....
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Dear Josiah...you poor intellectual microbe...to envoke the KKK to highschool girls has demeaned you beyond understanding...so insignificent that your just one of those annoying little birds that beep their heads off when I let out my cat...keep on truckin'...but this other person that sticks their nose into where it certainly doesnt belong and was going to call the school and demand their scholarships recinded...well...If it were my daughter losing out and it cost me 50 to 60 g's because of some meddler...well let me put it this way...Ive seen a guy shoved thru a wood chipper and shot over a catfish pond for less than half that much...you speak without thought...write from the saftey of your little comp. room...with no consequence to your babbling but a note such as this...It wil be a great day when kneejerk reactionaries like this will no longer be the voice of native cultures...thank Usen that nobody takes these sites as gospel...
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wow.......looks another "I'm right and you're not" debate........lets get it on!!!!!..........LOL!!!!
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Dear Josiah...you poor intellectual microbe...to envoke the KKK to highschool girls has demeaned you beyond understanding...so insignificent that your just one of those annoying little birds that beep their heads off when I let out my cat...keep on truckin'...but this other person that sticks their nose into where it certainly doesnt belong and was going to call the school and demand their scholarships recinded...well...If it were my daughter losing out and it cost me 50 to 60 g's because of some meddler...well let me put it this way...Ive seen a guy shoved thru a wood chipper and shot over a catfish pond for less than half that much...you speak without thought...write from the saftey of your little comp. room...with no consequence to your babbling but a note such as this...It wil be a great day when kneejerk reactionaries like this will no longer be the voice of native cultures...thank Usen that nobody takes these sites as gospel...
Hey hey, get a grip, please, breathe and then start allover again. You are not serious, are you. Judging, prejudice, assuming.... I'd really like to read what you have to say, just not this way. I think I understand what you're saying though. But why attack people? Maybe you didn't understand what he was trying to explain? And you have your own opinion, he has his, I have mine.
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Dear Josiah...you poor intellectual microbe...to envoke the KKK to highschool girls has demeaned you beyond understanding...so insignificent that your just one of those annoying little birds that beep their heads off when I let out my cat...keep on truckin'...but this other person that sticks their nose into where it certainly doesnt belong and was going to call the school and demand their scholarships recinded...well...If it were my daughter losing out and it cost me 50 to 60 g's because of some meddler...well let me put it this way...Ive seen a guy shoved thru a wood chipper and shot over a catfish pond for less than half that much...you speak without thought...write from the saftey of your little comp. room...with no consequence to your babbling but a note such as this...It wil be a great day when kneejerk reactionaries like this will no longer be the voice of native cultures...thank Usen that nobody takes these sites as gospel...
Despite all that you just posted, You reacted to what I posted
It is called Communication
Right Wrong or indifferent you still reacted to what I wrote

Hate is Hate no matter what you call it no matter what paint you put on it and spin it around

As for my personal views and where I come from you have no idea what I have gone through in my entire life
So for You to comment on them is just so much noise in the wind.

I take a great interest in stories such as these because I have personally witnessed actions that started out as just teenagers having there fun.
In this case it has appeared to have died down and any comments I made were not based on info from this site but from the local papers in the town this actually happened in.

Read the whole story before you make a conclusion.

Who is Usen?
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Old 03-10-2008, 07:11 PM   #119
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Who's Usen? Is he or she your maker or God? Wait, don't tell me that you're related to Zeke?
see??? i told zeke was MPD! some days he makes sense, some days he doesnt. this must just be another of his many personallities



seriously though, you might want to lay off the woodchipper and catfish pond stuff though, i think it might violate certain federal laws, im pretty sure it may violate terms of service agreements with pw.c and your isp.
either way, if your kid lost out on a scholarship because some one snitched her out would it truely be the snitches fault or your kids fault for having done what ever it was she hypotheticly did in the first place?
these kids are nearing the end of their high school careers, for many the next step they take in life is to join the real world and be out here with us (scary thought,isnt it?)
how 'bout we teach them that there are concequences for their bad acts and rewards for the good. how'bout we teach them to have pride in themselves and take responsibility for their actions instead of " its not my fault i got caught, someone snitched"

way to parent,there bk
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