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Old 02-04-2005, 03:53 PM   #1
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Angry Eagles Found Mutilated

This is an article I saw in the Globe & Mail this morning..."Indian Dancers" are where the fingers are pointing.

VANCOUVER -- The mysterious discovery of more than two dozen mutilated bald eagles in the woods of North Vancouver has sparked revulsion and anger on the West Coast, which has been plagued by poaching for years.

"You just got this horrible, horrible feeling like you're walking into a crime scene," said Julie Bryson-McElwee, who discovered the dead birds Wednesday afternoon while walking her dog.

The grim discovery sparked disgust among animal lovers and instigated speculation about possible culprits. Indian tribes use eagle parts, including feathers and talons, across the continent for ceremonial purposes. But native leaders who were interviewed expressed disgust at the killings and resented suggestions of a native connection to the crime.

Ms. Bryson-McElwee said she spotted what appeared to be a white plastic bag at the foot of an embankment and went to investigate. The white image was actually feathers of a dead bald eagle. Ms. Bryson-McElwee thought nothing of it because bald eagles are a common sight in the Lower Mainland during midwinter.

Then she spotted three more, then another five.

Nearby, under a clump of leaves was another cluster of carcasses. The legs of all the eagles had been severed, she said.

"It got to the point where I was feeling very, very creepy."

Ms. Bryson-McElwee called an animal rescue service and the provincial conservation office, which removed the birds. All told, she counted 13 eagles, but the number is rising.

Provincial conservation officer Rick Hahn said ministry staff gathered 18 eagle carcasses late Wednesday. But yesterday, staff returned to the scene and found more carnage. Another eight eagle heads were hauled away, said Colin Copland, the conservation officer at the scene. The crime scene is on land belonging to the Burrard Band. Mr. Hahn said there are other cases of eagle killings under investigation in the Vancouver area, but would not elaborate.

The large pinion feathers on an eagle's wing can sell on the black market for $100 apiece. Breast feathers fetch $10 and eagle down is plucked and used in headdresses which, in Europe, sell for up to $85,000 to collectors.

However, a spokesman for the Burrard Band said Indian groups are disgusted by the killings.

"It's a horrifying event that's out of sync with any of our traditions," said Leonard George, the band's director of economic development. "The way that the eagle and any animal fits into our society is very, very sacred."

A source told The Globe and Mail that eagle poaching is a widespread and long-standing problem in British Columbia, with incidents on Vancouver Island, in central British Columbia and in the Fraser Valley.

The birds are often shot with a .22 calibre rifle, using bullets known as "shorts," which make little sound when fired.

In the 1960s, he said, 100 birds were poached that way in one winter near Harrison Mills in the Fraser Valley.

Over the years, the B.C. conservation officer service has investigated several eagle-poaching operations.

In 1999, conservation officers on Vancouver Island broke up an eagle-smuggling ring that had trafficked parts from 94 birds to the United States.

The operation was based in Duncan, near the Cowichan Indian Reserve. Six years earlier, conservation officers found 10 dead eagles in plastic bags along a road that runs through the reserve, although no connection was made to the Cowichan band.

That same year, the remains of several eagles were found in a garbage bag near Williams Lake in central British Columbia. The birds' wings and talons had been removed.

Bald eagles are a protected species under British Columbia's Wildlife Act. They are not considered endangered, but it is illegal to hunt or possess an eagle. Violators face fines of up to $50,000.

Conservation officers say they hand over to native groups the eagle carcasses they find in the wild.

Right now, British Columbia's Lower Mainland is awash in bald eagles. Each winter, thousands of eagles converge on riverbanks near Squamish, about an hour's drive north of Vancouver, to feed on fish. The annual eagle gathering draws bird lovers from across the continent. The eagles are even spotted soaring above Vancouver's landscape.

"I'm sick today when I heard that," said Thor Froslev, 72, a diehard birder who organizes the annual bald eagle count in the village of Brackendale near Squamish. "I'm just devastated. Who could do anything like that?"

David Hancock, an expert on eagles and author of Adventure With Eagles, said the major market for eagle parts would be within the native community, largely in the United States.

"It's a native, cultural market," he said. "Eagle feathers and talons would be of value mostly to Indian dancers, for use on Indian regalia."

Mr. Hancock said Cates Park, which is near where the eagle carcasses were found, is a prime nesting area for the birds.

( Taken from The Globe & mail, February 04, 2005)
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This makes me sick to my stomach!!!
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Like it's not hard enough to cross the boarder with "legitimate" eagle feathers...now they're gonna want paperwork for every little plume and flimsy! I hope that guys comment about how feathers and such are of most value to "Indian dancers" doesn't stereotype "Native Dancers" as eagle killers!
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it saddened me and just made me sick - when i saw this on global news
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Eagle Killers

anyone know this jimmy joseph guy? Here's a link it's over a year old I was wondering if anyone has any new info. http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/eagleslaughter/

Also Has anyone seen in the trading post of this site how many people try to sell and trade eagle parts here? What are your thoughts?
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Like it's not hard enough to cross the boarder with "legitimate" eagle feathers...now they're gonna want paperwork for every little plume and flimsy! I hope that guys comment about how feathers and such are of most value to "Indian dancers" doesn't stereotype "Native Dancers" as eagle killers!
iissshhh you hope, that has been an accusation for as long as I can remember there being finger pointing.
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you know it just breaks my heart, it really does hurt me deep inside, it does not just make me angry it hurts me.
that is not what i want to talk about, i want to talk about how blatantly racist that article was. the writter is basicly saying
THEM SAVAGES DID IT!!!!!!!

I have do doubt that there are idiots out there buying black market eagle parts, but like someone said earlier now you will have to have a reciept for every little fluff.
awwwww, I wish I had more time but I am off to court now.
I hope that everyone lays out some tobaccy.
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Is there is a chance that non-NDNs are doing this to make the NDNs look bad? Or to make money?

If it is a close knit NDN community and someone in town was doing it, SOMEONE else would know. it gets around.

Thats why I would think it was someone from somewhere else.

Any land disputes in that area?

So they left the heads and tail feathers? Would an NDN really do that?

i hate this sh1t. It really IS sickening.

As for trading...isnt that legal? Even for NDNs?

dam nshame.
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Is there is a chance that non-NDNs are doing this to make the NDNs look bad? Or to make money?

If it is a close knit NDN community and someone in town was doing it, SOMEONE else would know. it gets around.

Thats why I would think it was someone from somewhere else.

Any land disputes in that area?

So they left the heads and tail feathers? Would an NDN really do that?

i hate this sh1t. It really IS sickening.

As for trading...isnt that legal? Even for NDNs?

dam nshame.
Trading is not legal for anyone. Even to give them away you need to file paperwork.
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I meant ILLegal. small typeo.

I typed IS THAT LEGAL? But then reworded to ISNT THAT.

How about DNA? Can they trace the carcass with the parts that guy has?
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I meant ILLegal. small typeo.

I typed IS THAT LEGAL? But then reworded to ISNT THAT.

How about DNA? Can they trace the carcass with the parts that guy has?
I suppose they could, But the bust would have to be worth the money they'd have to pay for the test.
That is a good point. Why didn't they think of that already?
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I highly doubt it was any native americans doing it.... AND I doubt that the heads and talons will end up in any native hands either.... The first reson is that no native american would waste any of the feathers, let alone the tail feathers like that. The second reason is that IIRC, Bird of Prey talons and/or heads have been in demand in certain Asian countries for some time (either for traditional medicine or other uses), and I seem to remember seeing Eagle talon nick-knacks/souveniers for sale in Japan and/or Singapore, but whether they were bald eagle or not the tags didn't say.

According to Terry Grosz (former special agent for the US Fish and Wildlife service) wrote in one of his books that Asia (China and Hong Kong in particular) was the biggest market for illegal animal parts trafficking.

Still it's reprehensible that this "news" article seems to be trying to implicate native americans in this act of butchery
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I highly doubt it was any native americans doing it.... AND I doubt that the heads and talons will end up in any native hands either.... The first reson is that no native american would waste any of the feathers, let alone the tail feathers like that. The second reason is that IIRC, Bird of Prey talons and/or heads have been in demand in certain Asian countries for some time (either for traditional medicine or other uses), and I seem to remember seeing Eagle talon nick-knacks/souveniers for sale in Japan and/or Singapore, but whether they were bald eagle or not the tags didn't say.

According to Terry Grosz (former special agent for the US Fish and Wildlife service) wrote in one of his books that Asia (China and Hong Kong in particular) was the biggest market for illegal animal parts trafficking.

Still it's reprehensible that this "news" article seems to be trying to implicate native americans in this act of butchery
That is a good point, but in an article I read, the witness said that a man with a bag full of eagle talons told him that he was making staves with them. True most natives wouldn't leave the tail feathers but this one did. He could have been lying to the witness about what he was doing with the talons.
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That is a good point, but in an article I read, the witness said that a man with a bag full of eagle talons told him that he was making staves with them. True most natives wouldn't leave the tail feathers but this one did. He could have been lying to the witness about what he was doing with the talons.
Ah, I see... Shame on him for being so wasteful! wn: I mean if he was going to kill the Eagles he should have at least made full use of them.

Of course, the really sad thing is that half of the staves will probably end up in Japan... You see, Japanese people are somewhat enamored with Native American culture, and they'll pay top dollar for Authentic jewelry, dream catchers (interestingly enough, the native Japanese religion, Shinto, is close enough to many Native American beliefs that certain spiritual items/charms are easily incorporated into their ceremonies and such), or anything else Native American (I got some hand-crafted Navajo Silver pendants shaped like eagle feathers over there for my jewelry making supplies)... Now that you mention it, I seem to remember one of the Native American hand-crafted items for sale at this particular vendor WAS eagle-talon staves....

Unfortunately, no culture is immune to greed... Terry, the US F&W agent whom I mentioned in the previous post had a few Eagle poaching rings that he busted up that included or were run by Native Americans....:(
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