[Atehequa]

Originally Posted by Zeke

I do what I can.

I agree, amusing :)

[Stands Alone]

Originally Posted by Atehequa

I agree, amusing :)

@Zeke just kinda gives me both sides of a conversation, I enjoy reading what is being discussed and gives me things to think about! That is why I find Zeke entertaining....I am a reader!

[Atehequa]

Originally Posted by Stands Alone

@Zeke just kinda gives me both sides of a conversation, I enjoy reading what is being discussed and gives me things to think about! That is why I find Zeke entertaining....I am a reader!

Well now you have let me know that, but then again I'm a reader too.

[wardancer]

Ran across this today ! LOL
I couldn't believe my good fortune !!!(in my best sarcastic voice !)
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[White Powwow Dancer]

Hey wardancer That is the worst nut jub I have seen yet.

[Joe's Dad]

Originally Posted by wardancer

Ran across this today ! LOL
I couldn't believe my good fortune !!!(in my best sarcastic voice !)
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Save your 111 bucks and listen...for free...to the chantric voices speaking to you.



Ahhhh, the BIG drum. Remember her?

[subeeds]

Originally Posted by wardancer

Ran across this today ! LOL
I couldn't believe my good fortune !!!(in my best sarcastic voice !)
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I can't believe people are still paying that whack job money for her phoney
baloney. Guess she will have to James Ray a couple of wannabees before people see her for what she is.

[Zeke]

People are going to pay for/believe what they want to believe.

Unless you're mad that they're not paying you, who cares?

[subeeds]

Originally Posted by Zeke

People are going to pay for/believe what they want to believe.

Unless you're mad that they're not paying you, who cares?

It just bugs me that people are paying for what they think is "real NDN" stuff. I don't like to see people taken advantage of-but like P.T. Barnum said "there's a sucker born every minute".

[Toolbox]

Originally Posted by Joe's Dad

Save your 111 bucks and listen...for free...to the chantric voices speaking to you.



Ahhhh, the BIG drum. Remember her?

That made my morning. Are people really that daft to believe these plastic shamans and these new agey whack-jobs?

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by subeeds

It just bugs me that people are paying for what they think is "real NDN" stuff. I don't like to see people taken advantage of-but like P.T. Barnum said "there's a sucker born every minute".

In my opinion, people are paying for what makes them happy. At the end of the day, they will manufacture their own reality if it does that.

Any suckers are just fooling themselves by pretending provenance matters.

If a white guy in Des Moines, IA, makes me the best roach on Earth, it's the best roach on Earth regardless of who made it.

[milehighsalute]

Originally Posted by Zeke

In my opinion, people are paying for what makes them happy. At the end of the day, they will manufacture their own reality if it does that.

Any suckers are just fooling themselves by pretending provenance matters.

If a white guy in Des Moines, IA, makes me the best roach on Earth, it's the best roach on Earth regardless of who made it.

partially agree.....i'm active in new age frauds site and "when white people go bad" FB group.......all because i hate the stereotypes we seem to be cast in and mimic'ed and the misappropriation of us

BUT

i am starting to think that we are perpetuating a new stereotype of us by looking like crybabies at times or as someone LOOKING to find misappropriation

as much as i hate twinkies.....and trust me i do.....it disgusts me.......but the ceremony sellers speak for themselves

i personally go after artists/crafts vendors because i see them calling themselves native and making bucks that a REAL native should the equivalent of ward churchill getting another "indian" job

it does infuriate me that the twinkies have corny art out of their own shops and studios selling crap for bukku bucks while people like mabel teller and many others open the back of thier station wagon and set a table up while they sit on the tailgate at powwows and flea markets barely scratching out a living.....i do background on the twinkie artists and it pisses them off when i tell people that they arent native and steer business towards real indians.....oh well....screw 'em

[milehighsalute]

i now been twinkie exposing for quite some time.....twinkies seem to outnumber us.....and twinkie supporter/apologists are like an endless hoard

i personally think more tribes should issue official statements on the most offensive of the offenders as the hopi did, the pueblo did, the lakota did, the salish did.....and we should make sure it circulates....not just among us but among the non-indians (who many wouldnt appreciate being taken by frauds)...some dont mind being ripped off and believe what they want though...there is no help for them

[OLChemist]

Originally Posted by milehighsalute

it does infuriate me that the twinkies have corny art out of their own shops and studios selling crap for bukku bucks while people like mabel teller and many others open the back of thier station wagon and set a table up while they sit on the tailgate at powwows and flea markets barely scratching out a living.....

I've been biting my tongue on this one for a while.

I say again, the IACA does not protect the artist, it protects the buyer. The real barrier for many artists is not competition, it is marketing. I tell you, what I tell any one wanting to sell their artwork:

If you want to make money from art like you would from a job, then you need to be a professional. This means cultural comprise in some cases.

First you have to get your work in the right place. High end silver and beadwork (or any other art work), rarely sells for good money at powwows, flea markets, or craft fairs. You have to get in galleries and shops. Since an artist is rarely a good salesman, you got to get with gallery owners who are going to market your work. Buyers are attracted to an artwork because it communicates with them. But the sale is a result of a love affair with the piece. A good gallery will bring the metaphorical flowers and chocolates on behalf of your work. And you are going to pay them, usually 40-60%, for their investment in showing and selling your work.

Second you must constantly develop your skills. So, you can deliver fresh, quality work on time and without compromising your artistic vision.

[Agaliha Tsiwodi]

Even though this thread was started a long time ago, I am so glad that I read it thoroughly. I have always known that there were people who claimed to be shamans or medicine men and do the things discussed here, especially after it was brought to light by the James Ray incident. However, I had no idea the epidemic, if you will, was so widespread. As some of you mentioned, for every one you expose, they move and change their title and another drove of them emerge. It is truly sad. I am thankful that I am allowed to be a member of this site so I can learn about these sorts of things.

I also think that today's society is in such a way that people do not have to, and are not taught to, think for themselves. People will fall for anything. If people could rationalize, they would realize "hey.. something's wrong here!"