[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Historian

Am I the only one that thinks having a Lakota Sun Dance in places like California or Indiana is kinda weird?

Not in the slightest.

Just "kinda" weird?

Geez...

[Tatanka Sapa Win]

Originally Posted by Josiah

I would use the word:

BIZZARE

Tragic is my word

[Historian]

Originally Posted by Historian

Taken from:
sundance ceremony

and:
saltcreek sundance ceremony - Sundance Ceremony

17th Annual Salt Creek Sundance

Location:
Sundance Lake, between Freetown and Nashville, Indiana
Leader:
Stephen McCullough, Indiana
Event Detail:
This is a Ceremonial Sundance please phone for protocol information and directions to this very spiritual event.

HOSTS

Stephen and Gwen McCullough; Phone (812) 735 -2868
8578 North Pine Bluff Road, Bicknell, IN 47512

If you Google the name "Steve McCullough", there seems to be a great deal of controversy surrounding his Salt Creek Sun Dance.

[Rezkat33az]

I can't beleive this!! These people obviously have no clue! Has anyone told any Lakota sundancers about this? Maybe if they went to the state that it's being held in and explained the dangers, physically & spiritually, these idiots wouldn't be able to have a sundance. This MUST stop!!

[Rezkat33az]

The Saltcreek 'Sundance' is held avery year in Nashville IN, in Brown County. Here is the contact info for Brown Coutny, maybe if enough concerned people on here will contact them & explain how wrong this is, it will stop:
From thier website:

"The Brown County Visitors Center is open every day.

Both are located at 10 North Van Buren Street in Nashville, Indiana.

To contact us by phone:
812-988-7303 or 800-753-3255
FAX 812-988-1070

To contact us by mail:
Brown County Convention & Visitors Bureau
P.O. Box 840
Nashville, IN 47448
To contact us by email:[email protected]"

Thanks, Kat

[TKMJ Productions]

I just read the entire thread from top to bottom in one sitting. WoW!

Good info that concerns all of us.

If I need a medicine man, I'll call my elders back home to get an appointment as to see who and where. If I need sundance, I'll do the same.

"Tribal authorized only" is always the right way to go!

[Historian]

Just curious, has anyone ever heard of an organization called "New Age Frauds & Plastic Shamans" or NAFPS?

They seem to have a website, New Age Frauds & Plastic Shamans which includes a message board forum NAFPS Forum - Index

I've not had a chance to look it over real well. But it was one of the websites that came up when I Googled "Steve McCullough".

[TKMJ Productions]

Originally Posted by Historian

Just curious, has anyone ever heard of an organization called "New Age Frauds & Plastic Shamans" or NAFPS?

They seem to have a website, New Age Frauds & Plastic Shamans which includes a message board forum NAFPS Forum - Index

I've not had a chance to look it over real well. But it was one of the websites that came up when I Googled "Steve McCullough".

I just took a look at this NAFPS website. Who and or what is running this website? There is not a contact name or anything to show that the website is legit. No tribal affiliations or contact points. No physical addresses or P.O. box. No phone number.

There is nothing to verify that this website is the real deal!

I smell a white man!

[kgirl7]

Originally Posted by TKMJ Productions

I just took a look at this NAFPS website. Who and or what is running this website? There is not a contact name or anything to show that the website is legit. No tribal affiliations or contact points. No physical addresses or P.O. box. No phone number.

There is nothing to verify that this website is the real deal!

I smell a white man!

Go to the main page: New Age Frauds & Plastic Shamans, and you will find the email address under "contact". The man that was behind is Mexican Indian and white I think. But then some wannabes made a huge stink about him and the site and I don't know if he's still running it.

[TKMJ Productions]

Originally Posted by kgirl7

Go to the main page: New Age Frauds & Plastic Shamans, and you will find the email address under "contact". The man that was behind is Mexican Indian and white I think. But then some wannabes made a huge stink about him and the site and I don't know if he's still running it.

email addresses are not able to be verified. You never know who you are talking with or where that email is actually going unless you personally know the person.

There is no positive proof of ownership or tribal affiliation to the website. You can get a dot-com website for as little as $5.00 per month. If you know how to hack, you can setup a free dot-com account.

It's done all the time!

I've been on the powwow trail a long time. I have heard it all from who slept with who to births and deaths at powwows, and everything between. To me it's all crap without positive proof. People say that information is "on the wind". Guess what! I can pass gas and it's "on the wind" too. If you can't back it up, It's crap in my book!

In today's day and age of the internet, there is so much crap out there it isn't funny!

[TKMJ Productions]

NAFPS

After taking some time researching the forums of the NAFPS website, I have found many things that I find in question in our community. The forums are both informative and questionable. I have heard of or met some of the fakes the website is trying to expose.

I have also found screen names of people i have met. Many of those people are of Native decent and stand for the good of our community.

The one thing I question most is why the owners of the site would hide themselves when they claim the right and proper side of things. If your website is legit and standing tall, there is no reason to hide.

At this point in time, it now does not matter if the website is legit or not because it does have some truths to it. Things that I have seen with my own eyes or told to me by legit sources. As with any source the internet provides, don't believe everything blindly.

[Joe G]

Hey TKMJ, you look familiar. Did you work the powwow in Tecumseh Michigan last summer?
JG

[TKMJ Productions]

Originally Posted by Joe G

Hey TKMJ, you look familiar. Did you work the powwow in Tecumseh Michigan last summer?
JG

Me work???? I was hiding behind the sound board. That place was full of Indians!!!

I found three of the little ones sleeping in the back of my pickup truck on Sunday morning. Might have had something to do with the little party after the fireworks. We had pizza delivered by the fire department in the big pumper! (don't ask. It's a long story)

That powwow was a BLAST!!!!!!!

[Joe G]

I thought that was you! I'm not much on names...but usually recognize faces. Yeah it was a good time, I'll likely be there this year too. Hope I run in to you there...
JG

[Historian]

Originally Posted by TKMJ Productions

NAFPS

After taking some time researching the forums of the NAFPS website, I have found many things that I find in question in our community. The forums are both informative and questionable. I have heard of or met some of the fakes the website is trying to expose.

I have also found screen names of people i have met. Many of those people are of Native decent and stand for the good of our community.

The one thing I question most is why the owners of the site would hide themselves when they claim the right and proper side of things. If your website is legit and standing tall, there is no reason to hide.

At this point in time, it now does not matter if the website is legit or not because it does have some truths to it. Things that I have seen with my own eyes or told to me by legit sources. As with any source the internet provides, don't believe everything blindly.

Thanks for taking the time to check it out and letting us know what you found.

[TKMJ Productions]

Originally Posted by Historian

Thanks for taking the time to check it out and letting us know what you found.

Happy to do it. I spent a few pots of coffee and a few hours going through the threads. There is much more to read there. Who's got an extra can of coffee?

I noticed a few posters on the forum seem to say the same things over and over like they have no clue but are following the crowd. It's time to get deep into the forums to see who really know their stuff and who is just being a blind sheep walking along to belong.

[Rezkat33az]

Here is another fraud, that has come up in conversation with my full-blood friends & REAL sundancers that I know. Richard Street, claims Meskwakie Nation, but not on ANY tribal rolls, has been performing Yuwipi ceremonies & being paid to do other ceremonies. The funny thing here is I heard that he tried to perform a yuwipi and couldn't get out of the blanket!! He almost suffocated & the ropes tied on him had to be cut off!! I think that after that incident, you would not try to play medicine man anymore!!!!

[TKMJ Productions]

Originally Posted by Rezkat33az

Here is another fraud, that has come up in conversation with my full-blood friends & REAL sundancers that I know. Richard Street, claims Meskwakie Nation, but not on ANY tribal rolls, has been performing Yuwipi ceremonies & being paid to do other ceremonies. The funny thing here is I heard that he tried to perform a yuwipi and couldn't get out of the blanket!! He almost suffocated & the ropes tied on him had to be cut off!! I think that after that incident, you would not try to play medicine man anymore!!!!

A few questions:
Could this Richard Street have another name that is regestered with the tribe?
Has anyone gotten any positive proof that he is not a tribal member in writing from the tribe? Could he belong to another?

Without positive proof it's only "on the wind" and sometimes the wind stinks of buffalo gas.

Case in point. I knew a gentelman that was a vendor on the powwow trail. His shop was called "Medicine Man" He sold sage, tobacco, sweetgrass, herbs, and tonics. He was a herbalist but the name was catchy. He got a lot of business until his name came up as a fake medicine man. He was run out on a rail for the presumed assumption.

Was that fair because people assumed?

[Rezkat33az]

There is proof, several traditional people & the US Fish & Wildlife Service looked into his NDN claim- no one found him registered anywhere. The US Fish & Wildlife service was interested because Richard & one of his brothers were convicted of shooting eagles & hawks & selling thier feather/parts & went to prison for it.There was an article in News from Indian country or Indian Country- can't remember wich publication.
ALSO I was lokking up Navajo Medicine men on Google & found this interesting 'New Ager' site gushing about how a Navajo medicine man is coming to visit them in PA, note the prices they are charging!!! OMG does anyone 'not' get it?????
Esteemed traditional Navajo Medicine Man - Ancient Joy Spirituality (Valley Forge, PA) - Meetup.com

[rain_drop_smth]

Originally Posted by CelticFire

Sorry, I posted it as a quick reply, but I obviously don't know how to use it :-S
This is what I put:
Youtube-
YouTube - Thunderbirds Lizard People & Earth Changes Pt.1
website-
http://www.redelk.net/website/Welcom...RedElk.org.htm
Thanks for looking it up :-)

i smell crap and it aint my dogs lol ny1 that ht as any common kno
wledge knows that these are gifts given to u by the creator himself and it isnt something that u should toy with leave well enough alone. if he wants u to have than u shall if he dosent it will not be your gift.