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Boozhoo niji,

First of all, let me say that I went to AIA, had a wonderful time there, had fun dancing and did not have any major problems except for this one. I want to get other peoples reaction to this.

There is this group of dancers I have known about for a couple of years, lets refer to it as F troop. I have been watching them for a while, they get hired on by various pow wows in Florida and I can say honestly I was not impressed. The regalia is sub-par, the dancers themselves might not be too bad but the guy that runs the whole affair, we will refer to him as Mr. X, only drums during these shows, does not sing.

Well I pretty much just ignored them. The bustles on the fancy dancers were made so poorly that the dancers tear them apart just dancing. They are mostly flat and lain on top of each other, and a few of them are actually only semi circles. Now some of these kids look like they could actually dance, but they lack a lot of teaching that would keep them out of trouble at a traditional pow wow, like watching where they were going. I had trouble with them 2 years ago, running up behind me, and I politely asked them to keep space. Last year I ran into the same problem during Grand Entry, they gave me the excuse that I was backing up.

Finally this year, they put them all the way back at the end of the line and everything was cool. One of them came up to me Saturday afternoon and asked me something. I couldn't remember exactly what the question was, but I was honest, I told him about his bustles and how he could make a better set. Well later that day, Mr. X came up to me, introduced himself, and said that I had been saying some things about his work. Well duh. He told me to mind my own business. I said, I usually do.


So later, another boy, I don't think he was part of the group, but he came up to me and asked if I would show this one young man some dance steps. This kid was a fancy dancer wearing Gator colors. I looked over and saw Mr. X standing right there, and I simply said, I can't. I saw the young man look down at the ground all disappointed, then I looked at the one that came to me, and pulled him to the side and explained, I would, but I have been approached by a higher authority that I have to mind my own business. Well, that word got around quick.

The next morning, I was combing out my goats and was approached by the A.D. He came in a good way, gave me a prayer tie, and asked if he could sit in my camp. This man is probably close to twice my age and surprised me with his manners, I thought this was his first time, or very close to his first time being an A.D. I invited him to sit, and sat and listened to him, continuing to comb out my goats. He first of all stated his great admiration of myself and seemed a bit nervous approaching me. I told him that everything was cool, and he could say what he needed to. He asked about why I told the kids yesterday I would not teach, because I am someone they admire and look up to. I explained things and he nodded and understood. Oh yes Mr. X has a history here.

It seems that, he has a store in the area, he signs kids up that come into his store to dance. He would make all the outfits, teach them how to dance, and take them to pow wows. They put on the show, and at the same time, he promotes his store. Its a neat little operation. So now I am understanding some things. I wonder... could this be considered as exploitation?

Also, they go to pow wows, and show dances of the different kinds, even the eagle dance and hoop dance, and average Joe public comes to watch and accepts this as being Indian.

Finally, Mr. X has a iron grip on his flock. I was told by a friend of mine there, that two years ago, he caught a couple of those boys stealing my moves. I use the term lightly, could just say copy or whatever, he said steal. I think its pretty cool though. But when they went off to do their own thing with my moves Mr. X steps in and tells them to NOT dance that way, dance the way he taught them. Its either that or quit the F troop. I was told that one kid actually took off the bustles he was "given" to wear and threw them on the ground and left. And if its the kid I think it is I saw him at Chambers a year ago with a new (and much better) outfit, and being quite the fancy dancer.

Love it or hate it, the man is doing one thing good, and that is keeping these kids off the street and away from some of the bad crap that goes on in our cities. The bad part is these kids are going to grow up not knowing any better, might go to a real pow wow somewhere and wind up seriously insulting someome, out of ignorance.

I thought about doing this myself, starting a dance group. The only difference between me and Mr. X would be that... well there are a lot of differences actually. I would not tell the kids exactly how to dance. Our dances are, after all, open to some interpretation. There are guidelines but its not exactly choreographed. I don't think I would ever threaten an kid that wanted to go off and do his own thing by kicking him out of the group. And I would teach or have someone help teach the steps and how to make the regalia, so it would be his/her regalia, not something they would have to leave behind should they leave the group. Finally I would not try to tackle this by myself. For one thing traditionally I can no more teach a lady how to dance than she teach me to dance. I would hire the best I could find in each dance to show these kids what to do. And I dont think I would promote a store using someone elses labor. I would promote the group though, get us more gigs elsewhere.

There, I said what I wanted to say. I think overall what hurts me the most is this guy is using these kids, making them do soemthing they think they want to do.

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This is what gets me and has always gotten me about Florida. People act like they are oblivious to what really goes on in the powwow world. All you have to do it take a look at sites like this one to see a ton of photos and videos of how dances and regalia should look. I cannnot for the life of me figure why this are so screwed up there. It's one of a few things, people don't care or they think they know it all. The latter is probably more likely the case.

If it had been me in that situation...I would have showed the kid some stuff... this is still a free country right? I could care less what Mr. X wanted...he's not the one that asked for help. If he approached me...I would have offered my same helping hand to get his act together.

It's unfortunate that an organization like AIA has dwindled to what it is today. I remember the days when drums like Eagle Claw were there invited drums and there were hundreds of dancers that came. Now you get them hiring the "F troop" as you call it. I did not go this year and was only there a few hours last year...what a disappointment. I will not go back as long as they continue to bring in such poor quality entertainment, singers, and dancers. If we all start to do that...maybe the dances there will get better.

Too bad the leadership of the past no longer has a presence in the organzation.
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I'd worry about Mr. X too, but the only thing I could think of to do if I were in your shoes is go on doing my thing, talking to the kids if they want to, and wait for them to drift away from Mr. X as they learn the right things, which will probably happen. But if he's that controlling, I'd try not to be too confrontational - he could talk it out on his kids.
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Boozhoo niji,

First of all, let me say that I went to AIA, had a wonderful time there, had fun dancing and did not have any major problems except for this one. I want to get other peoples reaction to this.

There is this group of dancers I have known about for a couple of years, lets refer to it as F troop. I have been watching them for a while, they get hired on by various pow wows in Florida and I can say honestly I was not impressed. The regalia is sub-par, the dancers themselves might not be too bad but the guy that runs the whole affair, we will refer to him as Mr. X, only drums during these shows, does not sing.

Well I pretty much just ignored them. The bustles on the fancy dancers were made so poorly that the dancers tear them apart just dancing. They are mostly flat and lain on top of each other, and a few of them are actually only semi circles. Now some of these kids look like they could actually dance, but they lack a lot of teaching that would keep them out of trouble at a traditional pow wow, like watching where they were going. I had trouble with them 2 years ago, running up behind me, and I politely asked them to keep space. Last year I ran into the same problem during Grand Entry, they gave me the excuse that I was backing up.

Finally this year, they put them all the way back at the end of the line and everything was cool. One of them came up to me Saturday afternoon and asked me something. I couldn't remember exactly what the question was, but I was honest, I told him about his bustles and how he could make a better set. Well later that day, Mr. X came up to me, introduced himself, and said that I had been saying some things about his work. Well duh. He told me to mind my own business. I said, I usually do.


So later, another boy, I don't think he was part of the group, but he came up to me and asked if I would show this one young man some dance steps. This kid was a fancy dancer wearing Gator colors. I looked over and saw Mr. X standing right there, and I simply said, I can't. I saw the young man look down at the ground all disappointed, then I looked at the one that came to me, and pulled him to the side and explained, I would, but I have been approached by a higher authority that I have to mind my own business. Well, that word got around quick.

The next morning, I was combing out my goats and was approached by the A.D. He came in a good way, gave me a prayer tie, and asked if he could sit in my camp. This man is probably close to twice my age and surprised me with his manners, I thought this was his first time, or very close to his first time being an A.D. I invited him to sit, and sat and listened to him, continuing to comb out my goats. He first of all stated his great admiration of myself and seemed a bit nervous approaching me. I told him that everything was cool, and he could say what he needed to. He asked about why I told the kids yesterday I would not teach, because I am someone they admire and look up to. I explained things and he nodded and understood. Oh yes Mr. X has a history here.

It seems that, he has a store in the area, he signs kids up that come into his store to dance. He would make all the outfits, teach them how to dance, and take them to pow wows. They put on the show, and at the same time, he promotes his store. Its a neat little operation. So now I am understanding some things. I wonder... could this be considered as exploitation?

Also, they go to pow wows, and show dances of the different kinds, even the eagle dance and hoop dance, and average Joe public comes to watch and accepts this as being Indian.

Finally, Mr. X has a iron grip on his flock. I was told by a friend of mine there, that two years ago, he caught a couple of those boys stealing my moves. I use the term lightly, could just say copy or whatever, he said steal. I think its pretty cool though. But when they went off to do their own thing with my moves Mr. X steps in and tells them to NOT dance that way, dance the way he taught them. Its either that or quit the F troop. I was told that one kid actually took off the bustles he was "given" to wear and threw them on the ground and left. And if its the kid I think it is I saw him at Chambers a year ago with a new (and much better) outfit, and being quite the fancy dancer.

Love it or hate it, the man is doing one thing good, and that is keeping these kids off the street and away from some of the bad crap that goes on in our cities. The bad part is these kids are going to grow up not knowing any better, might go to a real pow wow somewhere and wind up seriously insulting someome, out of ignorance.

I thought about doing this myself, starting a dance group. The only difference between me and Mr. X would be that... well there are a lot of differences actually. I would not tell the kids exactly how to dance. Our dances are, after all, open to some interpretation. There are guidelines but its not exactly choreographed. I don't think I would ever threaten an kid that wanted to go off and do his own thing by kicking him out of the group. And I would teach or have someone help teach the steps and how to make the regalia, so it would be his/her regalia, not something they would have to leave behind should they leave the group. Finally I would not try to tackle this by myself. For one thing traditionally I can no more teach a lady how to dance than she teach me to dance. I would hire the best I could find in each dance to show these kids what to do. And I dont think I would promote a store using someone elses labor. I would promote the group though, get us more gigs elsewhere.

There, I said what I wanted to say. I think overall what hurts me the most is this guy is using these kids, making them do soemthing they think they want to do.

Derek
I think it's sad that circumstances are such there that you aren't given the liberty to teach someone who asked you for help in a good way. I would think someone like this F-troop leader, if he was really wanting the best for his kids, he would welcome input from someone like you with the skill and the knowledge and willingness to share. No adult should be given the authority to threaten and dictate to a bunch of kids like that.

I hope you do get an opportunity to take some kids under your wing and teach them to dance. They could then learn what it means to dance for enjoyment, not because some dictator is lording things over them. And they'd look a lot better dancing, no doubt about that, with your input and guidance.

Don't let this discourage you from sharing your knowledge in the future - you sound like you'd make a great teacher!
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Hi Derek, You should start a program teaching, your good. I like your moves. I under stand respecting his wished but Damn it's just wrong for him to be like that, how are those kids going to learn & have their own unique style?
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You know.. that's partly why one of my friends up here has the rep for being an ahole... well that and he can be one... but mostly because powwows up here were started by a bunch of hobbyists and nu age wannabes and were really goofy. My friend and hubby started throwing their own and making them more traditional and would be told by some of the wannabes that what they were doing was wrong... and mind you, my hubby is from a powwow throwing family who started one of the biggest powwows in Oklahoma... so it's not like these two men don't know what they are doing.....

Instead of being polite crazywolf... maybe you need to open your mouth a little wider and tell this man what he's doing is wrong... it's him that should be minding his business if he does'nt know what he's doing.. not the other way around.
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You know.. that's partly why one of my friends up here has the rep for being an ahole... well that and he can be one... but mostly because powwows up here were started by a bunch of hobbyists and nu age wannabes and were really goofy. My friend and hubby started throwing their own and making them more traditional and would be told by some of the wannabes that what they were doing was wrong... and mind you, my hubby is from a powwow throwing family who started one of the biggest powwows in Oklahoma... so it's not like these two men don't know what they are doing.....

Instead of being polite crazywolf... maybe you need to open your mouth a little wider and tell this man what he's doing is wrong... it's him that should be minding his business if he does'nt know what he's doing.. not the other way around.
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Boozhoo niji,

First of all, let me say that I went to AIA, had a wonderful time there, had fun dancing and did not have any major problems except for this one. I want to get other peoples reaction to this.

There is this group of dancers I have known about for a couple of years, lets refer to it as F troop. I have been watching them for a while, they get hired on by various pow wows in Florida and I can say honestly I was not impressed. The regalia is sub-par, the dancers themselves might not be too bad but the guy that runs the whole affair, we will refer to him as Mr. X, only drums during these shows, does not sing.

Well I pretty much just ignored them. The bustles on the fancy dancers were made so poorly that the dancers tear them apart just dancing. They are mostly flat and lain on top of each other, and a few of them are actually only semi circles. Now some of these kids look like they could actually dance, but they lack a lot of teaching that would keep them out of trouble at a traditional pow wow, like watching where they were going. I had trouble with them 2 years ago, running up behind me, and I politely asked them to keep space. Last year I ran into the same problem during Grand Entry, they gave me the excuse that I was backing up.

Finally this year, they put them all the way back at the end of the line and everything was cool. One of them came up to me Saturday afternoon and asked me something. I couldn't remember exactly what the question was, but I was honest, I told him about his bustles and how he could make a better set. Well later that day, Mr. X came up to me, introduced himself, and said that I had been saying some things about his work. Well duh. He told me to mind my own business. I said, I usually do.


So later, another boy, I don't think he was part of the group, but he came up to me and asked if I would show this one young man some dance steps. This kid was a fancy dancer wearing Gator colors. I looked over and saw Mr. X standing right there, and I simply said, I can't. I saw the young man look down at the ground all disappointed, then I looked at the one that came to me, and pulled him to the side and explained, I would, but I have been approached by a higher authority that I have to mind my own business. Well, that word got around quick.

The next morning, I was combing out my goats and was approached by the A.D. He came in a good way, gave me a prayer tie, and asked if he could sit in my camp. This man is probably close to twice my age and surprised me with his manners, I thought this was his first time, or very close to his first time being an A.D. I invited him to sit, and sat and listened to him, continuing to comb out my goats. He first of all stated his great admiration of myself and seemed a bit nervous approaching me. I told him that everything was cool, and he could say what he needed to. He asked about why I told the kids yesterday I would not teach, because I am someone they admire and look up to. I explained things and he nodded and understood. Oh yes Mr. X has a history here.

It seems that, he has a store in the area, he signs kids up that come into his store to dance. He would make all the outfits, teach them how to dance, and take them to pow wows. They put on the show, and at the same time, he promotes his store. Its a neat little operation. So now I am understanding some things. I wonder... could this be considered as exploitation?

Also, they go to pow wows, and show dances of the different kinds, even the eagle dance and hoop dance, and average Joe public comes to watch and accepts this as being Indian.

Finally, Mr. X has a iron grip on his flock. I was told by a friend of mine there, that two years ago, he caught a couple of those boys stealing my moves. I use the term lightly, could just say copy or whatever, he said steal. I think its pretty cool though. But when they went off to do their own thing with my moves Mr. X steps in and tells them to NOT dance that way, dance the way he taught them. Its either that or quit the F troop. I was told that one kid actually took off the bustles he was "given" to wear and threw them on the ground and left. And if its the kid I think it is I saw him at Chambers a year ago with a new (and much better) outfit, and being quite the fancy dancer.

Love it or hate it, the man is doing one thing good, and that is keeping these kids off the street and away from some of the bad crap that goes on in our cities. The bad part is these kids are going to grow up not knowing any better, might go to a real pow wow somewhere and wind up seriously insulting someome, out of ignorance.

I thought about doing this myself, starting a dance group. The only difference between me and Mr. X would be that... well there are a lot of differences actually. I would not tell the kids exactly how to dance. Our dances are, after all, open to some interpretation. There are guidelines but its not exactly choreographed. I don't think I would ever threaten an kid that wanted to go off and do his own thing by kicking him out of the group. And I would teach or have someone help teach the steps and how to make the regalia, so it would be his/her regalia, not something they would have to leave behind should they leave the group. Finally I would not try to tackle this by myself. For one thing traditionally I can no more teach a lady how to dance than she teach me to dance. I would hire the best I could find in each dance to show these kids what to do. And I dont think I would promote a store using someone elses labor. I would promote the group though, get us more gigs elsewhere.

There, I said what I wanted to say. I think overall what hurts me the most is this guy is using these kids, making them do soemthing they think they want to do.

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HAHAHA I know exactly what group you're talking about. I was told waaaaaay back when AIA was a really good powwow that they had reputable people in their group that tried to help them out but eventually they got pushed out and they no longer wanted anyone to help them. I also don't think that Mr. X is entirely to blame. I remember last year when we were lining up for GE I was standing in front of their fancy shawl dancers with my friend and I overheard them discussing how they didn't like another shawl dancer because she requested a doublebeat and they didn't know how to it and how they gonna push her out the line. Ridiculous stuff. Also supposedly they get paid for every performance/event they attend and dance at but they never stay very long. Ususally they stay long enough to go in GE and an exhibition.
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This is what gets me and has always gotten me about Florida. People act like they are oblivious to what really goes on in the powwow world. All you have to do it take a look at sites like this one to see a ton of photos and videos of how dances and regalia should look. I cannnot for the life of me figure why this are so screwed up there. It's one of a few things, people don't care or they think they know it all. The latter is probably more likely the case.

If it had been me in that situation...I would have showed the kid some stuff... this is still a free country right? I could care less what Mr. X wanted...he's not the one that asked for help. If he approached me...I would have offered my same helping hand to get his act together.

It's unfortunate that an organization like AIA has dwindled to what it is today. I remember the days when drums like Eagle Claw were there invited drums and there were hundreds of dancers that came. Now you get them hiring the "F troop" as you call it. I did not go this year and was only there a few hours last year...what a disappointment. I will not go back as long as they continue to bring in such poor quality entertainment, singers, and dancers. If we all start to do that...maybe the dances there will get better.

Too bad the leadership of the past no longer has a presence in the organzation.

I totally agree. I mean come on, they have a store! It's actually a fair decent store. The majority of their stuff comes from Crazy Crow, so it's more of a place for supplies but they do sell powwow DVDs and videos! Weird huh?

They only reasoning I have for the jacked-up regalia is that maybe they don't want to put in the effort to make their regalia or maybe they feel like they can't afford to.
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You know.. that's partly why one of my friends up here has the rep for being an ahole... well that and he can be one... but mostly because powwows up here were started by a bunch of hobbyists and nu age wannabes and were really goofy. My friend and hubby started throwing their own and making them more traditional and would be told by some of the wannabes that what they were doing was wrong... and mind you, my hubby is from a powwow throwing family who started one of the biggest powwows in Oklahoma... so it's not like these two men don't know what they are doing.....

Instead of being polite crazywolf... maybe you need to open your mouth a little wider and tell this man what he's doing is wrong... it's him that should be minding his business if he does'nt know what he's doing.. not the other way around.

I think that's our problem Derek, we're too nice and polite...
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I totally agree. I mean come on, they have a store! It's actually a fair decent store. The majority of their stuff comes from Crazy Crow, so it's more of a place for supplies but they do sell powwow DVDs and videos! Weird huh?

They only reasoning I have for the jacked-up regalia is that maybe they don't want to put in the effort to make their regalia or maybe they feel like they can't afford to.
I think its more of the the first rather than the latter. I can understand not having money to do certain things, but sometimes people just look rediculous and there is no excuse for that. I was talking to my dad on the phone about this thread yesterday....he thought the whole thing was really funny. His opinion is that some people just think they know it all....they don't want help. I agree with that and the not wanting to put in the effort.

Hey you might see my brothers over there. They like to make appearances every now and then. If yu see them...tell them stay outta trouble!
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Honestly I do not go out of my way to be nice and polite. Most of the time it just occurs naturally.
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I think its more of the the first rather than the latter. I can understand not having money to do certain things, but sometimes people just look rediculous and there is no excuse for that. I was talking to my dad on the phone about this thread yesterday....he thought the whole thing was really funny. His opinion is that some people just think they know it all....they don't want help. I agree with that and the not wanting to put in the effort.

Hey you might see my brothers over there. They like to make appearances every now and then. If yu see them...tell them stay outta trouble!
LOL I will do that.
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I can believe that!

Seriously though... if people don't start speaking up with people like this... then they end up dominating YOUR native events in your area.

See how KiowaKat talks up about the groups in her area? I know what she says to be true because I lived there most of my life and did'nt know there were so many actual indians in the area because all I ever ran into at "indian" functions were these kooks, and I figured everyone at the few good powwows that you could tell were indian were from somewhere else and either travelled or were hired to dance at them.

Even the "indian" clubs at the college had two or three natives and the rest were these hippy wannabe environmentalist types who had "indian souls". And these were the folks that ran just about everything!!!! Ruined alot of what I could get native community-wise for me.
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I can believe that!

Seriously though... if people don't start speaking up with people like this... then they end up dominating YOUR native events in your area.

See how KiowaKat talks up about the groups in her area? I know what she says to be true because I lived there most of my life and did'nt know there were so many actual indians in the area because all I ever ran into at "indian" functions were these kooks, and I figured everyone at the few good powwows that you could tell were indian were from somewhere else and either travelled or were hired to dance at them.

Even the "indian" clubs at the college had two or three natives and the rest were these hippy wannabe environmentalist types who had "indian souls". And these were the folks that ran just about everything!!!! Ruined alot of what I could get native community-wise for me.
Wow, there is a lot of good posts comming on here I appreciate it really, miigwetch niiboowah.

Someone down here once talked with me, and I got to thinking about it not too long ago. This man has at least as much ndn blood in him and probably a lot more, and does not show it like I don't either. He is a good man, and I danced for him at some shows that he put on, he hired all natives as dancers and singers save for one, and he was a flute player. His name is Joseph Z, and he does not claim to have a native spirit or claim to have great great great ancestors that were adopted by (insert tribe here), and yet, he does have that ndn spirit in him. I can hear it when he talks and plays his flute.

But anyway this other guy, named Chris Padget was telling me one day, you can fight the white man, and you do it by getting him in the pocketbook. Put on shows, make things he wants to buy. He had ideas of starting a pow wow down here to end all others, the non-native ones. He would hire out of state a committee, bring in big name drums and dancers, make it a native only affair. Oh people can come in and dance intertribal, but all of the politics would be handled by native period. I kinda liked the sound of that, still waiting for him to do it.

My mother wanted to put on a pow wow once, and she never got that chance. We have enough land to put on a small one, 2 1/2 acres, used to have a really nice open area by a pond before dad put a fence across it a couple months ago. had more than enough space for parking. Some Seminoles attend a church a couple houses down and said they would allow people to park there. But the pow wow never got off the ground, never could get anyone to help or support it. I spoke with vendors to see if they wanted to come. I spoke with a couple drums. I spoke to all of my friends that I dance with, and I pretty much got the same answer from everyone. "I will go if you get enough people" Well I guess I never really got enough people. Maybe up north I could have a pow wow in memorial of my mother? Heh thats a good dream.

If I stay down here in Florida, if I cannot find work up north then I will more than likely start a dance troop. I will file for tax exemtion as a non-profit organization and get people to help me with it. It will be a lot better organized than F troop. BTW I called it that because f can stand for so many things, fake failure false et al. I want to have a dance troop that someone holding a big event such as St. Petersburg international folk festival would call me and want us representing the indigenious peoples of North America. I would want to go to colleges during the week, and I would want to see my dancers get paid a fair wage for their time. Any money made as profit would be put in a till, to be used for educating children about dancing, making regalia, hiring drums or MCs, and promoting.

Heck I might just do all of that up north if I can.

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if you do decide to do that down here in florida i would be interested to learn maybe
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