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Old 12-22-2011, 11:50 AM   #1
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The Federal Cherokee Debate

Pigheaded, I think you and Josiah got put in your place trying to speak against HistoryStudent LOL

It is so funny how the Real wanna be's are the ones who always want to point out who they want everyone to call a wanna be only because they know everyone is looking at them so they just want to get the attention off themself.

Josiah actually did not even know what the UKB was when he started coming to this message board, so in a way you can say Josiah who claims to know so much Cherokee history and be such a Cherokee did not even know about the UKB LOL now that is hillarious and now he goes around trying to call other people wanna be's. The three videos posted actually made me think of the Federal Cherokee lol

Pigheaded, if I recall you could not even write one educated reply to HistoryStudent. All I seen you do was yell profanities LOL So you really must not know much about your indian side if thats all you can do to defend yourself. I'm just glad these "message board indians" like Pigheaded and Josiah and Yaahl etc etc does not represent the REAL indian people.

It was quite funny seeing how fast the CNO cried when the freedman almost got all their federal money taken away LOL Especially after hearing them say it was the non federal cherokee's who are out for money. Or how about how the Federal Cherokee have been trying to get exclusive rights to the Casino industry in North Carolina.

The Federal Cherokee have even proved they will run smear campaigns against their own federal Cherokee just to get what they want. So if they can do that to each other, hmmm just shows what they will do to anyone else that is not Federal. Every where I go people call the Federal Cherokee the "White tribe".

I'm sure the people who yell these insults and call people wanna be's have not even seen what the site owner looks like, just saying.
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Bill Clinton is a "honory" member of the Federal Cherokee.

The Cherokee Nation of Oklamhoma aka Josiah live by the 1 ancestor rule with no blood amount rule, yet many people they attack can show you 5-20 indian ancestors. They love to use insults on people that the other Federal Cherokee use on the CNO lol. Hillarious I tell you.

Let's not even get on Churchill who is also a member of the Federal Cherokee and can't even tell you who his indian ancestors are.

The list goes on and on. For some people who lead these wanna be attacks, they sure do enroll alot of people who can not even state who in their family was indian.

Youtube search "FAKE AMERICAN INDIANS" to see one of these Federal Cherokee get confronted about it LOL
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Josiah actually did not even know what the UKB was when he started coming to this message board, so in a way you can say Josiah who claims to know so much Cherokee history and be such a Cherokee did not even know about the UKB LOL now that is hillarious and now he goes around trying to call other people wanna be's. The three videos posted actually made me think of the Federal Cherokee lol
I am still puzzled about the whole UKB thing?
You have stated that before in another thread I felt I answered it but apparently not.

Are you saying that I posted that I did not know about them or that I was not aware of Dual status? You better read carefully what My words were...

I have no less than 9 Ancestors on that Roll
Both Grandparents, Aunts Uncles ect ect ect

That is Cherokee Politics and a Family Thing so you better dig some more dirt on me 6222 posts is alot of reading...

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wow looky all the redbeads...whos cornflakes did you wizz in?
LOL it's from those CNO's aka Corporate indians aka message board indians lol They hate when you expose them LOL They actually think in their head that if they have more posts than another it makes them a "indian elder" and they think sending a Redbead means they are more indian than the other person, sorry but redbeads does not take away a person's native blood lol

Maybe they are jealous that they have a 1 great grandmother on a federal roll and thats all they can push for their native blood while all four of my grandparents are proven native American and the Supreme court has numerous times ruled in favor of my families' indian blood.

I did notice Ohio mentioned in this discussion, it may surprise you that many people in the Ohio Native American communities won their Surpreme court cases on the indian blood issue, yet these wanna be hunters like the CNO wish to ignore the Supreme court rulings and they wish to never tell you about those supreme court rulings. Supreme courts being Federal actually makes them federally recognized indians. So call them fake all you want, but the Supreme court ruling proves different.
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LOL it's from those CNO's aka Corporate indians aka message board indians lol They hate when you expose them LOL They actually think in their head that if they have more posts than another it makes them a "indian elder" and they think sending a Redbead means they are more indian than the other person, sorry but redbeads does not take away a person's native blood lol

Maybe they are jealous that they have a 1 great grandmother on a federal roll and thats all they can push for their native blood while all four of my grandparents are proven native American and the Supreme court has numerous times ruled in favor of my families' indian blood.

I did notice Ohio mentioned in this discussion, it may surprise you that many people in the Ohio Native American communities won their Surpreme court cases on the indian blood issue, yet these wanna be hunters like the CNO wish to ignore the Supreme court rulings and they wish to never tell you about those supreme court rulings. Supreme courts being Federal actually makes them federally recognized indians. So call them fake all you want, but the Supreme court ruling proves different.
LOL

Fact of the Matter is ALL three Cherokee Nations are Going after the Fake and Wannabe Tribes Not just the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma!
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Cherokees do not determine Federal Status the BIA does

As for enrollment in each of the tribes they all use a particular Roll.

And yes Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma does not use a MINIMUM Quantum
So ask your self this question!

Then why are there so many people that cant be enrolled???

Because they are Not Cherokee!!!

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Pigheaded, I think you and Josiah got put in your place trying to speak against HistoryStudent LOL

It is so funny how the Real wanna be's are the ones who always want to point out who they want everyone to call a wanna be only because they know everyone is looking at them so they just want to get the attention off themself.

Pigheaded, if I recall you could not even write one educated reply to HistoryStudent. All I seen you do was yell profanities LOL So you really must not know much about your indian side if thats all you can do to defend yourself. I'm just glad these "message board indians" like Pigheaded and Josiah and Yaahl etc etc does not represent the REAL indian people.

I'm sure the people who yell these insults and call people wanna be's have not even seen what the site owner looks like, just saying.
Oh you wanted an intelligent response. OK.

Here's the thing, I haven't hidden myself from anything, or anyone on this board, I've been open with direct questions as to who I am, Unlike you and Maxine and/or Laverene, you all can figure out who's who, all 3 the same info, Zero, zip nada, and when asked or questioned you go on the attack, oh and some of ya run to the mods. And as we see, you are the prime example as to why, the idiots get pounced on. And, if you remeber correctly, I didn't just yell obscenities, I called him lots of names. (this is sarcasm), we sometimes use that on folks, though they are to dense to understand it. See, I couldn't give a Rat's @$$ about you or your opinions, and I certainly will not lose sleep at night because you don't like the way I answer. I know who I am, I know where I came from, I know where I grew up, and what I was taught. I know my ancestors didn't hide, they bled with their brothers, the ones who stayed. So mister ESPN, or whatever you call yourself, as my last post towards you and your misinformed and unintelligible babble.

I'm just guessing, have you ever gotten thank you letters from people you said you would never see again?
 
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I am still puzzled about the whole UKB thing?
You have stated that before in another thread I felt I answered it but apparently not.

Are you saying that I posted that I did not know about them or that I was not aware of Dual status? You better read carefully what My words were...

I have no less than 9 Ancestors on that Roll
Both Grandparents, Aunts Uncles ect ect ect

That is Cherokee Politics and a Family Thing so you better dig some more dirt on me 6222 posts is alot of reading...

Hey John Cornsilk is the one who said you was part of a Bogus tribe lol John Cornsilk is the one who made a entire website to prove your part of a Bogus tribe. You claimed he is such a good friend, yet he has told you himself your part of a bogus tribe.

Yes it is politics, just like you and your groups entire wanna be hunting is nothing more than a smear campaign to keep native people away from the recognigtion they deserve. Many senetors have already stated publically that the Federal cherokee has been trying to get sole rights to Casinos in North Carolina, which is behind the entire Smear campaign of the Lumbee. Anyone your CNO thinks has a shot at getting recognigtion your group will launch a smear campaign. The CNO sens out mass emails telling people to spread their hate messages in as many places as they can. Your good friend Kiowakat or whatever her name is already got exposed for that on the other Native American message boards. She openly admited that the stuff she was posting on the message boards was being sent to her in emails from the CNO. Hateful smear campaigns against other native american people is all it is and it's nothing but shameful. There is no honor in calling yourself a native american and then try to justify smear campaigns against another native american in order to keep them down, no honor at all.
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Oh you wanted an intelligent response. OK.

Here's the thing, I haven't hidden myself from anything, or anyone on this board, I've been open with direct questions as to who I am, Unlike you and Maxine and/or Laverene, you all can figure out who's who, all 3 the same info, Zero, zip nada, and when asked or questioned you go on the attack, oh and some of ya run to the mods. And as we see, you are the prime example as to why, the idiots get pounced on. And, if you remeber correctly, I didn't just yell obscenities, I called him lots of names. (this is sarcasm), we sometimes use that on folks, though they are to dense to understand it. See, I couldn't give a Rat's @$$ about you or your opinions, and I certainly will not lose sleep at night because you don't like the way I answer. I know who I am, I know where I came from, I know where I grew up, and what I was taught. I know my ancestors didn't hide, they bled with their brothers, the ones who stayed. So mister ESPN, or whatever you call yourself, as my last post towards you and your misinformed and unintelligible babble.

I'm just guessing, have you ever gotten thank you letters from people you said you would never see again?


Again just proves what Istated already, You have nothing educated to reply back with, all you ever do is reply with insults.

Your one of the Federal Cherokee also, you mention your people bled etc. Ok how about the Freedman??? Yeah you don't want to mention that huh? the Freedman was your slaves, the freedman was forced down the same trail of tears, only difference is they had to carry your group's luggage. How man freedman do you think died on that trail also huh? Then you go and sign a treaty with them and then brake that treaty. Yeah thats exactly how your group treats the people who walked that trail along side your group and even had to carry your people's luggage. Yeah don't want to talk about them huh? I bet you won't throw that trail of tears up to the freedman huh? lol Do you actually think that the federal Cherokee is the only native americans that has had to bleed??? I know alot of those Kentucky native americans that used to be drug out of their houses in middle of the night and straped to trees and whipped till the skin came off their bodies. You don't want to mention that either huh? All you want to do is yell insults and can't eve defend yourself hillarious.

Oh By the way, Where was the Eastern Band of Cherokee during the trail of tears?
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Hey John Cornsilk is the one who said you was part of a Bogus tribe lol John Cornsilk is the one who made a entire website to prove your part of a Bogus tribe. You claimed he is such a good friend, yet he has told you himself your part of a bogus tribe.

Yes it is politics, just like you and your groups entire wanna be hunting is nothing more than a smear campaign to keep native people away from the recognigtion they deserve. Many senetors have already stated publically that the Federal cherokee has been trying to get sole rights to Casinos in North Carolina, which is behind the entire Smear campaign of the Lumbee. Anyone your CNO thinks has a shot at getting recognigtion your group will launch a smear campaign. The CNO sens out mass emails telling people to spread their hate messages in as many places as they can. Your good friend Kiowakat or whatever her name is already got exposed for that on the other Native American message boards. She openly admited that the stuff she was posting on the message boards was being sent to her in emails from the CNO. Hateful smear campaigns against other native american people is all it is and it's nothing but shameful. There is no honor in calling yourself a native american and then try to justify smear campaigns against another native american in order to keep them down, no honor at all.
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LOL it's from those CNO's aka Corporate indians aka message board indians lol They hate when you expose them LOL They actually think in their head that if they have more posts than another it makes them a "indian elder" and they think sending a Redbead means they are more indian than the other person, sorry but redbeads does not take away a person's native blood lol

Maybe they are jealous that they have a 1 great grandmother on a federal roll and thats all they can push for their native blood while all four of my grandparents are proven native American and the Supreme court has numerous times ruled in favor of my families' indian blood.

I did notice Ohio mentioned in this discussion, it may surprise you that many people in the Ohio Native American communities won their Surpreme court cases on the indian blood issue, yet these wanna be hunters like the CNO wish to ignore the Supreme court rulings and they wish to never tell you about those supreme court rulings. Supreme courts being Federal actually makes them federally recognized indians. So call them fake all you want, but the Supreme court ruling proves different.
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Fact of the Matter is ALL three Cherokee Nations are Going after the Fake and Wannabe Tribes Not just the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma!
Facts
Cherokees do not determine Federal Status the BIA does

As for enrollment in each of the tribes they all use a particular Roll.

And yes Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma does not use a MINIMUM Quantum
So ask your self this question!

Then why are there so many people that cant be enrolled???

Because they are Not Cherokee!!!

Fact.
Your group almost lost all your government money messing with the Freedman, then your group goes crying about it. I would think your group would of learned a lesson about messing with people but it seems you and your group did not learn a single thing.

Why they can't get enrolled is simple, THEY DID NOT GO TO OKLAHOMA duh. The reason they have problems getting federal is because your group keeps writing to congress and sending out mass emails to people to have them write to congress to mess up these attempts at Federal. It sure did not feel good when it got done back huh? The freedman is a small group compared to all these tribes your group is harassing, imagine if all them and the freedman starts writing letters in unity to congress about what your group been doing?

Fact: Not all Cherokee went down the trail of tears, the Eastern Band of Cherokee is proof of that.

Fact: Not all cherokee was in those areas when the removal happened, Court records prove that.

Fact: Alot of these Cherokee groups the CNO call fake, has actually been recognized by government agencies for 116 or more years.
If you don't believe me, just go to the Kentucky Cherokee's website.

Fact: Reason there is other Cherokee groups other than the 3 Federal ones is because there was more than 3 bands of Cherokee.

Fact: The Federal cherokee uses smear campaigns to get what they want.

Fact: The federal Cherokee has been attempting to get sole rights on Casinos and gambling in North Carolina.

Fact: The Federal Cherokee was not the only group of people forced down the trail of tears.

Fact: The Federal Cherokee has kicked people to the street which had walked that same trail of tears.

Fact: The federal Cherokee enrolls non native amerians if those non native americans can bring them more money. Bill Clinton is a prime example of this.

Fact: The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma has less native blood than many of the non recognized tribes which they claim is fake.
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Actually everything is staying in topic, or did Josiah, Yaahl, and Pigheaded go running to moderators again like they always do when they losing in a topic lmao Everytime they start losing a conversation Toolbox always shows up lmao hillarious.
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There's software that sniffs out plagiarism, maybe we should come up with software to sniff out wannabe's.
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... Zero, zip nada, and when asked or questioned you go on the attack, oh and some of ya run to the mods. ... So mister ESPN, or whatever you call yourself, as my last post towards you and your misinformed and unintelligible babble.
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Your group almost lost all your government money messing with the Freedman, then your group goes crying about it. I would think your group would of learned a lesson about messing with people but it seems you and your group did not learn a single thing.

Why they can't get enrolled is simple, THEY DID NOT GO TO OKLAHOMA duh. The reason they have problems getting federal is because your group keeps writing to congress and sending out mass emails to people to have them write to congress to mess up these attempts at Federal. It sure did not feel good when it got done back huh? The freedman is a small group compared to all these tribes your group is harassing, imagine if all them and the freedman starts writing letters in unity to congress about what your group been doing?

Fact: Not all Cherokee went down the trail of tears, the Eastern Band of Cherokee is proof of that.

Fact: Not all cherokee was in those areas when the removal happened, Court records prove that.

Fact: Alot of these Cherokee groups the CNO call fake, has actually been recognized by government agencies for 116 or more years.
If you don't believe me, just go to the Kentucky Cherokee's website.

Fact: Reason there is other Cherokee groups other than the 3 Federal ones is because there was more than 3 bands of Cherokee.

Fact: The Federal cherokee uses smear campaigns to get what they want.

Fact: The federal Cherokee has been attempting to get sole rights on Casinos and gambling in North Carolina.

Fact: The Federal Cherokee was not the only group of people forced down the trail of tears.

Fact: The Federal Cherokee has kicked people to the street which had walked that same trail of tears.

Fact: The federal Cherokee enrolls non native amerians if those non native americans can bring them more money. Bill Clinton is a prime example of this.

Fact: The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma has less native blood than many of the non recognized tribes which they claim is fake.
Lots Facts here

Do you know why John Cornsilk said that the Current Political Entity known as the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma is Bogus?

Because the tribe is not organized under the OIWA

You have to read the entire postings!

John Cornsilk by the way ran for Council seat this past election. Hmmmmm so bogus tribe eh?

Smear campaign eh

Against the Kentucky Tribe of Cherokees eh?


You must read my entire postings for I posted the fact that not all cherokees went on the Trail
Actually in response to History Student
Seems you have more reading to do...

Do you realize the whole fight with the Freedman was also a Seminole issue and Creek JUST A FEW YEARS AGO??

Do you realize that whole fight was brought about by our Last Chief that we just voted out??? And the current chief has welcomed the Freedman back and they were instrumental in getting him elected

Damn Dude READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE!!!
Then post...
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It is quite funny, how the Federal Cherokee and their "message board" friends get to haras, cuss, insult, etc all native American people but themself, yet when even one person defends those thats being harassed Toolbox runs in and tries to shut them up even though the person defending is not using profanity etc.

So let's see, numerous insults onto many states of native americans was done, for like 2 pages, then 1 person defends them states, and that person is the troll huh? I think you need to look up what a troll is lol.

Backing hate mongers that attack native american people and opress native american people is not good. If they are man enough to harass people they should be man enough to take the heat.
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Actually everything is staying in topic, or did Josiah, Yaahl, and Pigheaded go running to moderators again like they always do when they losing in a topic lmao Everytime they start losing a conversation Toolbox always shows up lmao hillarious.
It is apparent that you didn't read this thread from the beginning, as evident because I posted on the first page.

Secondly coming in here arguing about the Federal Cherokee and related tribal politics doesn't really have anything to do with this thread - directly. The Cherokee were mentioned because every time one of the people from those states in question comes on here it's always "my xxxxxx relative was a Cherokee princess and I want to dance Northern this or sing and drum at powwows"; yet they lack any real understanding of their history or their people, if they do indeed have any.

You guys hashed the argument to death in 2 previous threads. So STOP starting with this or I'm going to MOD this thread.
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