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Old 12-25-2011, 03:43 PM   #61
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You may want to look at that video again, Thats Eastern band of Cherokee in that video. But the event itself was inter tribal.

I was raised by Senoya Teal. I guarantee that you was raised around more white people than me. I would bet on that. I was not around white people culture, most I got to white people culture was on tv lol I guarnetee you come to where I was born and raised you will not see even 1 white person for 3-4 miles at least. In the schools I went to you will not see any white people there either. My family has REAL indian names, now what was your "indian" families names lol. So do not pull the indian card out on me, you won't win that one lol.

What tribe are you even with? Just off the bat I'm going to say one of the tribes that changes their tribe name like every 10-20 years or so since you claim your from North Carolina. My family has never changed their ancestorial tribe names even once. So please do not pull the indian card here.

I'm going to also take a wild guess and say your from one the groups in NC that has borrowed most of their stuff from more western tribes just to claim your more indian than the other people right? Because that IS the trend in North Carolina. Out of all the tribes in NC, how many has even one dance that is not found in every other tribe in the USA? My family has not once borrowed ANYTHING from a western culture. Can you say the same about yours? In your mind you probally think borrowing the Jinggle dress (Ojibwa btw) makes you more indian than people who do not borrow. Your also probally still thinking NC and Va drummers sat outside the circle right and think historically they all sat around one big drum with one stick also right? I love when people get their Native history and culture from a dvd then use it in their pow wows attempting to pull the "indian" card lol
You didn't read right. I said I LIVED in North Carolina for almost 3 decades. My mother was born in Arizona. She was from the area that is known as the Mountain of the Blue Rock. I wasn't raised on the east coast. I went there with the military back in '73.

I didn't borrow anything from the western culture. I AM the western culture. I've lived around different races and cultures. I've never had to blast any other NDN tribe that wouldn't accept me. I've been to reservations from the Mexican border to the Canadian border to the Pacific ocean to the Atlantic ocean. I have been accepted INTO homes wherever I have been. I don't have to yell discrimination from NDN people because I'm not accepted.

Keep talkiing, mr indian man. You're not all that bright.
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most the ppl your fussing with are respected elders here
Nope, a REAL elder is the Grey hairs. You do not even start breaking into the elder category until 55 years old. Being a elder has nothing to do with who has the most posts or who has been on a message board longer.

I've seen most of the people on this board that claims to be elders lol
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Nope, a REAL elder is the Grey hairs. You do not even start breaking into the elder category until 55 years old. Being a elder has nothing to do with who has the most posts or who has been on a message board longer.

I've seen most of the people on this board that claims to be elders lol
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You didn't read right. I said I LIVED in North Carolina for almost 3 decades. My mother was born in Arizona. She was from the area that is known as the Mountain of the Blue Rock. I wasn't raised on the east coast. I went there with the military back in '73.

I didn't borrow anything from the western culture. I AM the western culture. I've lived around different races and cultures. I've never had to blast any other NDN tribe that wouldn't accept me. I've been to reservations from the Mexican border to the Canadian border to the Pacific ocean to the Atlantic ocean. I have been accepted INTO homes wherever I have been. I don't have to yell discrimination from NDN people because I'm not accepted.

Keep talkiing, mr indian man. You're not all that bright.


Oh, so your another person thats in a area your not connected with right? Now your trying to push weight in a area your not part. 3 decades, thats 30 years. Every person on my family tree is proven through documents with name in NC as far back as the 1590-1600 frame to the present day, and I'm stil right here. How about you start looking into how many tribes from Maryland to SC has my Collins family. Even the Shawnee chief Tecumseh's sister married into my collins family. Take a look at what families is connected to the mounds in NC, Ohio, and VA. Arizona is a long ways from the East Coast lol.

Your one of the people who come from out west then come onto OUR lands, and try to claim you speak for OUR people. I don't think so. If your Arizona then you do NOT speak for the East coast and your heritage and culture is NOT our Eastern native people's heritage and culture and have no business in our affairs.

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I'm thinking that if you post a photo of yourself, you are afraid people are going to think you are a black man. Is that right, mr indian man?

And let me add also...I did serve the native people of North Carolina on a county, state and federal level. So, yes, I ca say I can speak for the wonderful native people of North Carolina.

Can you say the same thing, mr indian man?
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I needed to separate this statement so you wouldn't miss it, mr indian man.

And let me add also...I did serve the native people of North Carolina on a county, state and federal level. So, yes, I can say I can speak for the wonderful native people of North Carolina.

Can you say the same thing, mr indian man?
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I needed to separate this statement so you wouldn't miss it, mr indian man.

And let me add also...I did serve the native people of North Carolina on a county, state and federal level. So, yes, I can say I can speak for the wonderful native people of North Carolina.

Can you say the same thing, mr indian man?
How can you serve our people out here when you do not share our blood, heritage, or culture? lol

Why are you not serving YOUR people. We are not your people.

Oh and now I see you've tried to pull the black race card lol.

Next your going to try and pull a poverty card too huh?

Before you even try to pull that card, I was born and raised in the poorest neighborhood in Georgia and probally most of the South East. Where I did not have the luxory of sheet rock on the ceiling, where my house had holes all in the floor so we would have to nail wood over the floor holes, where half of our roof was nothing more than a blue "tarp". Walls that sunlight shine thru. Every time it rains sewer water floods and pours into the house. Where we use scotch tape to cover holes in windows. A neighbor hood where every 5th house is abandoned and littered with graffiti and broken windows. where the schools all had burgular bars on the windows. Nearly everyone I grew up with carries a bullet scar. My mom was 13 years old when I was born. If you want to go with my NC family, there was news reports in Asheville, nc about the homeless people in NC and they interviewed some of my aunts who was living in tents along the freeway back in the late 1990's to early 2000's. A few years back my family was all over the NC news when 3 rednecks decided to offer my uncle who is 3 years younger than me a ride home, they took him to a abandoned parking lot and stabed him over 21 times then pushed him out of the car to die. Don't believe me then look in Asheville news about Ron's bar in early 2000. I myself lived out in the woods of Greensboro NC for 2 weeks with nothing more than a blanket in 20-32 degree weather and it snowing. Many other of the native descendants on the East coast live every day of their life like this.

Never once has anyone in my family tried to seek federal funds for our Native heritage.

Yet we have these "federal" card holders coming out here to try and say who is or is not indian, try to tell us we about money, try and say they speak for our ancestors, try and say we don't know poverty.

If your from Arizona...YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR MY PEOPLE. Federal card holders can shove that card up their butt because it means nothing to REAL east coast native descendants. These people talk poverty and violence on their people that was from hundreds of years ago while we live that poverty and violence to this day. They talk about we are about money while they get a check from the government and hide behind casinos, while alot of our people live on the streets.

And they come TO OUR LAND and try to STEAL OUR BLOOD HERITAGE TO OUR NATIVE PEOPLE. They say our treaties was with england and the USA broke off from England so we don't get to claim our heritage. The Europeans might of took our land and our language from us.....but we sure as hell are not going to sit back and watch some out west native people come onto our land and try to STEAL what we have left...or let some out WEST native people come onto our land and disrespect our elders and our ancestors. We sure as hell are not going to sit back and let some some "federal" indians come out here and push us around with some card that was issued to them by the same government that took our land and tried to commit genocide on us.

Once our threat was the European invasion. Now our threat is Western "Card" carrying indians invading our land. These people can be 1/100th indian and just because they got a federal card think they can call people who is 1/4th to 1/8th indian a fake and fraud. I don't think so. Welcome to the East coast, leave your federal "Western" tribe cards home because they mean nothing out here. Out here we ask for family tree's. Family tree's is OUR Federal card. Federal cards are issued for YOUR tribe not ours. We don't judge people by skin color here, we judge people by who their ancestors are. Out here we believe in unity, we don't believe in Genocide.

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Oh, so your another person thats in a area your not connected with right? Now your trying to push weight in a area your not part. 3 decades, thats 30 years. Every person on my family tree is proven through documents with name in NC as far back as the 1590-1600 frame to the present day, and I'm stil right here. How about you start looking into how many tribes from Maryland to SC has my Collins family. Even the Shawnee chief Tecumseh's sister married into my collins family. Take a look at what families is connected to the mounds in NC, Ohio, and VA. Arizona is a long ways from the East Coast lol.

Your one of the people who come from out west then come onto OUR lands, and try to claim you speak for OUR people. I don't think so. If your Arizona then you do NOT speak for the East coast and your heritage and culture is NOT our Eastern native people's heritage and culture and have no business in our affairs.
mr inddian man, I found this in one of your earlier posts.

Are you saying it was wrong for me to help my native brothers and sisters from the east when i wasn't from there?


But you people don't see it, you only think of yourself. This type of hate is only coming from the Corporate casino indians and their attacks is all money based. They do not want unity, they only want destruction and more money, for every native person they destroy they think it means more money for themself.

Who is it now attacking me because i disagreed with you on the Mt. Gilead video?



I for one am not going to sit back and watch some "message board indian" publically attempt to destroy fellow native americans and claim they speak on behalf of all native people.

Who is going to defend me from the likes of predators like you?

When I see it and when alot of other's see it, we sure as hell are going to school these new generation indians that THEY DO NOT SPEAK FOR ALL NATIVE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!! THE MAJORITY OF NATIVE AMERICANS DO NOT CONDONE HATE ONTO OTHER BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!! As long as moderaors sit back and allow these Federal Cherokee to harass non federal indians, then there will always be a problem on here...REAL INDIANS DO NOT SIT BACK AND WATCH ATTEMPTS OF GENOCIDE ONTO OUR PEOPLE!!!!


So you are a REAL INDIAN, eh?


Poor mr. indian man. You are in such an emotional conflict within yourself. Wanting to attack 'Federal Cherokees', yet no one will claim you as one of their own.

Poor, poor, mr indian man.
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mr inddian man, I found this in one of your earlier posts.

Are you saying it was wrong for me to help my native brothers and sisters from the east when i wasn't from there?


But you people don't see it, you only think of yourself. This type of hate is only coming from the Corporate casino indians and their attacks is all money based. They do not want unity, they only want destruction and more money, for every native person they destroy they think it means more money for themself.

Who is it now attacking me because i disagreed with you on the Mt. Gilead video?



I for one am not going to sit back and watch some "message board indian" publically attempt to destroy fellow native americans and claim they speak on behalf of all native people.

Who is going to defend me from the likes of predators like you?

When I see it and when alot of other's see it, we sure as hell are going to school these new generation indians that THEY DO NOT SPEAK FOR ALL NATIVE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!! THE MAJORITY OF NATIVE AMERICANS DO NOT CONDONE HATE ONTO OTHER BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!! As long as moderaors sit back and allow these Federal Cherokee to harass non federal indians, then there will always be a problem on here...REAL INDIANS DO NOT SIT BACK AND WATCH ATTEMPTS OF GENOCIDE ONTO OUR PEOPLE!!!!


So you are a REAL INDIAN, eh?


Poor mr. indian man. You are in such an emotional conflict within yourself. Wanting to attack 'Federal Cherokees', yet no one will claim you as one of their own.

Poor, poor, mr indian man.


Your the one who wanted to pull the "indian" card everytime someone disagree's with you. So don't get it twisted lol.

I am claimed lol More tribes will enroll me than will enroll you. Now thats quite interesting huh?

As for "preditors", let me give you what that word means.

This is right out of the Webster's dictonary.

Preditor: one that preys, destroys, or devours, an animal that lives by predation, predators like bears and wolves.


That does not sound like someone who defends themself huh? Sounds like a wanna be hunter huh? Sounds like someone who comes from out west to the East coast and tries to attack us. Sound liek someone who likes to pull a race card, sounds like someone who constantly hunts thru message boards online just to claim they are more indian than another, sounds like a person who wants to justify destroying another person's heritage huh.

Now you care to use words that you do not know the meaning of again?



how many times have you attempted to pull a race card?
Scroll up and see how many times you used the term "mr. indian man. "

You'll never see me try to pull a race card. You'll never see me try to prove a person is not indian.

Go ahead and scroll thru all the messages on this board, see which posts start first, federal tribes attacking east coast tribes.. or east coast tribes attacking federal tribes? It's the federal tribes attacking east coast tribes. They are the ones who are the ones attacking.

Who is the ones who try to always try to say they speak for all native people? The federal tribes even when they are no relation to these tribes they say they speak for.

You claim you help East coast tribes...yet your going around trying to prove they are fakes and frauds, how quick did you jump at the discussion about Saponi of NC not being Saponi? You was all over that topic huh? When that whole topic was not about them NOT being indian, it was not about calling them fake or frauds, that topic was just about how undocumented indians can get state rec while documented indians still do not have state or federal rec.

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Your the one who wanted to pull the "indian" card everytime someone disagree's with you. So don't get it twisted lol.

I am claimed lol More tribes will enroll me than will enroll you. Now thats quite interesting huh?

As for "preditors", let me give you what that word means.

This is right out of the Webster's dictonary.

Preditor: one that preys, destroys, or devours, an animal that lives by predation, predators like bears and wolves.


That does not sound like someone who defends themself huh? Sounds like a wanna be hunter huh? Sounds like someone who comes from out west to the East coast and tries to attack us. Sound liek someone who likes to pull a race card, sounds like someone who constantly hunts thru message boards online just to claim they are more indian than another, sounds like a person who wants to justify destroying another person's heritage huh.

Now you care to use words that you do not know the meaning of again?



how many times have you attempted to pull a race card?
Scroll up and see how many times you used the term "mr. indian man. "

You'll never see me try to pull a race card. You'll never see me try to prove a person is not indian.

Go ahead and scroll thru all the messages on this board, see which posts start first, federal tribes attacking east coast tribes.. or east coast tribes attacking federal tribes? It's the federal tribes attacking east coast tribes. They are the ones who are the ones attacking.

Who is the ones who try to always try to say they speak for all native people? The federal tribes even when they are no relation to these tribes they say they speak for.

You claim you help East coast tribes...yet your going around trying to prove they are fakes and frauds, how quick did you jump at the discussion about Saponi of NC not being Saponi? You was all over that topic huh? When that whole topic was not about them NOT being indian, it was not about calling them fake or frauds, that topic was just about how undocumented indians can get state rec while documented indians still do not have state or federal rec.

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mr indian man.

MY CHILDREN'S MOTHER IS FROM AN EAST COAST TRIBE FROM NORTH CAROLINA.

ARE YOU IMPLYING THAT I WOULD HURT MY OWN CHILDREN?

I didn't call any tribe any east coast tribe fake. I merely stated that not even a state recognized tribe would accept you. You said you didn't need any recognition from any tribe, just wanted the culture.

So let me ask you...what NDN culture do you want?

Do you have any more attacks on me and my connection with East Coast Native tribes?

Keep talking mr. indian man. You're making a fool of yourself...without my help.
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I disagree.

Let mr indian man speak his piece. Listen to his words. They are words of an angry man.

And an angry man never wins at anything.

Speak on, mr indian man.
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MY CHILDREN'S MOTHER IS FROM AN EAST COAST TRIBE FROM NORTH CAROLINA.

ARE YOU IMPLYING THAT I WOULD HURT MY OWN CHILDREN?

I didn't call any tribe any east coast tribe fake. I merely stated that not even a state recognized tribe would accept you. You said you didn't need any recognition from any tribe, just wanted the culture.

So let me ask you...what NDN culture do you want?

Do you have any more attacks on me and my connection with East Coast Native tribes?

Keep talking mr. indian man. You're making a fool of yourself...without my help.
Again with the "mr.indian man".

do you actually think using race in a means to insult another gives your words more power? Any psycologist will tell you people who does that is hiding insecurities within their ownself. Since you like doing that so much, does that mean there is some doubt in yourself about your own native claims?

Attacks? lol I just stated FACT, actually you stated that. You claimed you have no blood ties to East coast tribes, you claim your native blood is from Arizona. Arizona native history, culture, language, houses, etc is way different than East coast. In fact putting Arizona native history culture etc next to North Carolina's is pretty close to comparing black man and white man's culture and history.

So by you coming from Arizona to North Carolina and saying who is or is not indian in North Carolina would be the same as a white man from Minestoa going to Harlem and start saying who is or is not black. It's the same concept. Then taking a step further, trying to say his wife is black so it is ok lol.


I'm going to take a wild guess that your wife is one of the Tuscarora that is trying to pass themself off as a Saponi. My wife is one of them too which is how I know so much about them lol If that is so, then a simple question there would be, why do they claim to be saponi yet the land they claim they are from was not a Saponi reservation, it was Tuscarora's reservation and not one of them is named on the saponi records. Especially since you seem to speak of the Richardson family so much.



You must not be able to get in your head that Saponi is not the only tribe on my family tree lol. As far as that goes, you have already been told numerous times the Saponi in NC base their enrollment on county location, which means if I was to move to hillsboro NC then I can enroll, and their own historians stated my family is saponi. And it has already been proven those 3 Saponi groups did not use the Saponi name till AFTER my family kept being listed as Saponi.

It should also be noted, the Federal Cherokee list the Indians of Person county as frauds. If you scroll thru josiah's post you shall see that.

so try again because you failed on that part.

How ever I will take it a step further and show you the truth.

http://works.bepress.com/robert_thomas/24/

There, wrote by a Federal Cherokee and one of the USA and Canada's most influencial people. Find out the truth of the Saponi people and those who claim they are Saponi today.
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This thread was started for this discussion. So that we kept this issue here.

I've also been on this site longer than you.

I also do not see you telling the wanna be hunters to start their own message boards now do you yet they are the ones starting all the posts that attack native people.

Alot of people have stopped posting on here because of the hate being posted by the wanna be hunters. Many of the original posters refuse to come here anymore.

If people allow them to post their hate posts, then the other people should be allowed to post counters to those hate posts. People should not be allowed to only get one side of the story while being denied to hear the other side.
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You are Indian, right?

I'm going to take a minute and laugh at your insidious remarks. Not in a mean way. Just trying to grasp how desperate you are to attack my credibility.

I stated I lived in North Carolina for a number of years. In my first posts, I didn't state I have blood ties to North Carolina. That came out later when you tried to say I came from the west to attack east coast tribes. I merely stated that was an untrue statement.

And where in my posts did you see me compare any culture to one another. Please. Copy and post that statement here.

And now you go off on some wild tangent by guessing my children's mother is Tuscarora? How did you come up with that ridiculous reasoning? I'm not commenting any further on this subject. Anything else I add will only show your ignorance.

I thought this thread was about Cherokees? Why bring in the Saponi issue? I thought we had already resolved none of the North Carolina state recognized Saponi tribes wanted to count you as one of them.

Keep talking, mr indian man. I can see your veins on your forehead popping out.
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I'm going to take a minute and laugh at your insidious remarks. Not in a mean way. Just trying to grasp how desperate you are to attack my credibility.

I stated I lived in North Carolina for a number of years. In my first posts, I didn't state I have blood ties to North Carolina. That came out later when you tried to say I came from the west to attack east coast tribes. I merely stated that was an untrue statement.

And where in my posts did you see me compare any culture to one another. Please. Copy and post that statement here.

And now you go off on some wild tangent by guessing my children's mother is Tuscarora? How did you come up with that ridiculous reasoning? I'm not commenting any further on this subject. Anything else I add will only show your ignorance.

I thought this thread was about Cherokees? Why bring in the Saponi issue? I thought we had already resolved none of the North Carolina state recognized Saponi tribes wanted to count you as one of them.

Keep talking, mr indian man. I can see your veins on your forehead popping out.
I'm not the mad one lol.

You already stated you have no blood ties to north Carolina, your own words is your native blood is Arizona.

You are aware Chief Black feather Jeffries of the Occaneechi Saponi is my family also right... blood family.

The same people he claims his indian blood from is the same people on my direct family tree.

I also know that the jeffries stated they was Catawba not Saponi.

Before the enrolled members of the Occaneechi Saponi ever steped foot in the hillsboro area, my collins and Dobbins family was already living there.

Before any of the Haliwa people moved to the Warren and Halifax area, my family was living there.

What you need to do before you make anymore uneducated replies trying to show your chest is read the cherokee communties of the south before people who actually have read it start realizing you do not have a clue about the NC native people's history.

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Son, I've known John since he started wearing his fringed leather outfits and Plains style chief headdress. He's always been ok in my book. I've been to the powwows up in Mebane. How is it you can be related to him and come on here being so obtrusive?

P.S. I didn't know he had change his name to Blackfeather. lol

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II:72 19 April 1755

Esquires present: Jas Carter, Jno Handby, Alexr Osburn & Thos Potts. Whereas John Auston a Saponia Indian and Mary a Susquhanah Indian and Thos a Cattaaba applied for a pass to the Cataba Nation being now on their Journey to conclude a Genl Peace with ye Catabas in behalf of the Sd Nation and also presented 3 Belts of Wampum to Sd Court by which the sd Treaty is to be concluded.



Take a trip to your national archives building and look that up. I provided where it's located. Now next time you try to use the 3 Saponi groups against me, have them produce a document like that for their family. They do not have any document like that. so Joe's dad next time try to at least research the Saponi history more before trying to use the 3 saponi tribes in Nc against a documented Saponi Descendant.
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And how on earth did you come up with the guess my children's mother was Tuscarora? Sheesh!

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