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Old 12-30-2011, 09:36 AM   #161
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Wanna be hunters are mis educating the public about Native people, but the only real people to blame for their actions rests more on the false prophets they follow, which is the people who wondered off the reservations in the 1960's and 1970's in a skeme to make money off the native culture. These people knew there was too much competition in the reservation areas, they knew they could not wave their cards around at their own tribes, so they started picking areas that had no card carriers, moved in then started smear campaignes in a attempt to take out competition. All to make a living off selling native culture in communties they are not connected to. That is the true story behind the Wanna be hunter movement. They will use what ever they can to take native heritage from a fellow native american. they will attempt to drag all their friends in on 1 person, they will use profanities, Racism, insults, and when they are losing in educated discussions they will start claiming they are the victim even though they had been harassing and attacking people for quite some time for no reason at all. One of the biggest excuses they use to justify their attacks is simply "the person said they are native american". Since when does a person embracing their native heritage justify a attack? It does not.
Kind of like you are doing with KiowaKat now? and have done with Josiah, yaahl, and a few other on this thread. to quote my friend, yaahl, POT, KETTLE, BLACK.
 
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So is USCN really HistoryStudent? Or was HistoryStudent really USCN 3 years ago and just forgot their password/account or just decided to make a new account? Cause they both pretty much sound like the same person and if you think about how HistoryStudent got banned.... An you look at how this is the first post from USCN in 3 years... Coincidence? IDK.
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So is USCN really HistoryStudent? Or was HistoryStudent really USCN 3 years ago and just forgot their password/account or just decided to make a new account? Cause they both pretty much sound like the same person and if you think about how HistoryStudent got banned.... An you look at how this is the first post from USCN in 3 years... Coincidence? IDK.
Using info from his prior posts, I did a quick Google:

http://www.saponitown.com/forum/show...arker-Jeffries
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Using info from his prior posts, I did a quick Google:

http://www.saponitown.com/forum/show...arker-Jeffries
Dig a little deeper into that forum and you find the root of where Historystudent aka ESCN lays claim to being a PhD in genetics, historian and expert... but he started off in an artist world prior to his becoming a DNA expert. http://www.saponitown.com/forum/show...2881#post32881


Read another few pages and you see the roots of this young man's angst when another member asks him to refrain from violating copyright...boy did that reply ring a bell with me...lol...according to him, his in laws are paralegals.

http://www.saponitown.com/forum/show...2891#post32891

His response here was almost to the letter... another fine cut and paste...

And a few more posts and we have his mantra of how a) you aren't suppose to question his research and b) how people attack him...

Sound familiar? http://www.saponitown.com/forum/show...2936#post32936

Then when he is asked to ante up his connections, he gives what appears to be a detailed account of his kin.. but doesn't show how he is connected to them just as he failed to do so here...

http://www.saponitown.com/forum/show...2942#post32942

But the speech on how he is the new blood of the natives and research... was priceless...

http://www.saponitown.com/forum/show...2952#post32952

Then for two full pages he does what he repeated here, posts a massive amount of text that is not sourced or has proper citations. A PhD, student would certainly use one or at least be aware of the many forms of citations. APA, Oxford, Harvard, McGill, ASA, CMOS, MLA to name a few...

Then again, as he has done here when confronted with his shaky research he counters with it making no sense.

http://www.saponitown.com/forum/show...2980#post32980

And that research group he often speaks about? It's a group over on yahoo.com But the real pearl is the CV on his tough guy persona... jail time, fighting, over 60 fights... priceless...

http://www.saponitown.com/forum/show...2990#post32990

Oh, and his connection to the Smithsonian? It's a contact that has helped him with some research... http://www.saponitown.com/forum/show...3004#post33004

Then when asked about a certain wiki page that has long since been deleted..
http://www.saponitown.com/forum/show...3010#post33010

This one should certainly go into NT's thread on "Things that make you go hmmmmm..."


However, the comment that our young warrior is naught but a Collin's wannabe cracked me up... seems this may be where he takes affront at being called a wannabe...

http://www.saponitown.com/forum/show...3028#post33028

But alas the tale of young, artist, marketing expert, Genetics PhD, researcher, champion of the uncarded Indian, historian and all round ideal, new generation, Indian... ends here as he got told off by the owner of the site... for, go figure, not citing material properly and heavens... getting his facts wrong.

He hasn't been back since 2008.

http://www.saponitown.com/forum/show...3029#post33029

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Joseph Newman aka Nanamankoi (which means three arrows in the Siouan language) is a descendant of the Saponi, Machapunga, Catawba, Cherokee, Hatteras/Croatoan, and Carib historical Native American tribes. Joseph is also a pre-Newman's Ridge Melungeon descendant. Joseph also descends from Ruebin Newman who is the possible descendant of the Longhunter who Newman's Ridge Tennessee was named after.
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2 Adult life
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Joseph was born in Atlanta, Georgia in 1977, His father's family had moved to Atlanta from Paulding county, Georgia where they had migrated mostly from Eastern North Carolina and South Carolina during the Georgia Land Lottery in the 1830s. While grew up on the same street as Chris Smith of the Hiphop group Kriss Kross. He also spent some of his childhood in the 1980s living across the street from Levi Walker aka Chief Noc-a-Homa of the Atlanta Braves baseball team. During the 1990s-2002 he was an accomplished Graffiti artist of the South Eastern United states which gave him a taste for marketing and advertising. Joseph's middle school math teacher was a Atlanta Hawks Cheerleader, his classmates in high school included Andre 3000 of the Hiphop group Outkast, Kandi Buress of the R and B group Xscape, and Comedian Kennan Thompson. During Joseph's time at Tri-Cities school of performing arts he acquired a more professional take on the performing arts world. Jospeh also had a interest in learning Egyptology and the teachings of the United Creek nation of Moors, Joseph often listened to Nuwaubian speakers, as time went on Joseph studied world cultures, religions, and population migrations which lead to a great interest into the guanches of the Canary islands and the Chachapoya tribe of the Inca nation.

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After a arrest for his Graffiti mural art, Joseph decided to seek a professional take like his fellow artist friends such as Ward Jenkins who is a animation Director at Laika house and world known artist Totem2 which lead to Joseph spending a time as part of the Marketing and Graphic design team of In-View systems Marketing and Advertising firm. Joseph also spent a time entering talent shows and dance contests such as coming in 2nd place at a dance contest for the Atlanta radio station Hot 97.5 among other contests. As time went on Joseph became more interested into furthering his own family history after studying the works of Piscataway Chief Turkey Tayac. Joseph as always knowing his family was Native American descendants he wanted to reconnect with his heritage which lead him eve further into wanting to know all there was about where his family came. Soon Joseph was seeking out the other descendants in a attempt to reclaim their Native heritage, consulting with many other established tribes in the Southeastern United States and asking for guidance led to him founding the Manahoac Saponi Mattamuskeet Nation. Joseph Newman is often found comparing notes with many other researchers of the South Eastern Native American communities. Joseph future plans is to release a book on all of his research and to organize events throughout the South East in order to promote how Native American communities often mixed with other races and produced descendants who today look Native, White, and black. Many people see Joseph's visions as a new and fresh approach of promoting people's acceptance of all races and how people look at their own self and the truth about the founding of America.

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ECBN...is this YOUR resume?
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Dig a little deeper into that forum and you find the root of where Historystudent aka ESCN lays claim to being a PhD in genetics, historian and expert... but he started off in an artist world prior to his becoming a DNA expert. http://www.saponitown.com/forum/show...2881#post32881


Read another few pages and you see the roots of this young man's angst when another member asks him to refrain from violating copyright...boy did that reply ring a bell with me...lol...according to him, his in laws are paralegals.

http://www.saponitown.com/forum/show...2891#post32891

His response here was almost to the letter... another fine cut and paste...

And a few more posts and we have his mantra of how a) you aren't suppose to question his research and b) how people attack him...

Sound familiar? http://www.saponitown.com/forum/show...2936#post32936

Then when he is asked to ante up his connections, he gives what appears to be a detailed account of his kin.. but doesn't show how he is connected to them just as he failed to do so here...

http://www.saponitown.com/forum/show...2942#post32942

But the speech on how he is the new blood of the natives and research... was priceless...

http://www.saponitown.com/forum/show...2952#post32952

Then for two full pages he does what he repeated here, posts a massive amount of text that is not sourced or has proper citations. A PhD, student would certainly use one or at least be aware of the many forms of citations. APA, Oxford, Harvard, McGill, ASA, CMOS, MLA to name a few...

Then again, as he has done here when confronted with his shaky research he counters with it making no sense.

http://www.saponitown.com/forum/show...2980#post32980

And that research group he often speaks about? It's a group over on yahoo.com But the real pearl is the CV on his tough guy persona... jail time, fighting, over 60 fights... priceless...

http://www.saponitown.com/forum/show...2990#post32990

Oh, and his connection to the Smithsonian? It's a contact that has helped him with some research... http://www.saponitown.com/forum/show...3004#post33004

Then when asked about a certain wiki page that has long since been deleted..
http://www.saponitown.com/forum/show...3010#post33010

This one should certainly go into NT's thread on "Things that make you go hmmmmm..."


However, the comment that our young warrior is naught but a Collin's wannabe cracked me up... seems this may be where he takes affront at being called a wannabe...

http://www.saponitown.com/forum/show...3028#post33028

But alas the tale of young, artist, marketing expert, Genetics PhD, researcher, champion of the uncarded Indian, historian and all round ideal, new generation, Indian... ends here as he got told off by the owner of the site... for, go figure, not citing material properly and heavens... getting his facts wrong.

He hasn't been back since 2008.

http://www.saponitown.com/forum/show...3029#post33029

ESCN, you truly are a creature that needs pity as you are indeed a soul that is lost. You are trying so hard to find yourself in the bones of people that have long since passed this way that you have forgotten to make your own mark. I feel sorry for you that you have to live in the shadows of ancestors because you do not trust yourself to be who you were born to be.
This is the essence of ECBN. He never did say what tribe he was tied with. And to claim Croatan/Hatteras????? To claim 'The Lost Colony'?

Yaahl...you just rock when you pull out your counseling skills!

As they say in rural North Carolina..."There goes another young'un who got their legs switched!"


Dang, ECBN...YOU GOT PWN'D!
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Some points from the website of the Southern Cherokee: http://www.southerncherokeeok.com/history.html

Stand Watie became the last Confederate General to cease fighting, having covered the withdrawal of other Confederate units, and when the South was down and out, Stand Watie entered into "Treaty stipulations made and entered into this 23rd day of June 1865 near Doaksville, Choctaw Nation, between Sent. Colonel A. C. Mathews and W. H. Vance U. S. V., commissioners appointed by Major General Herron U. S. A., on part of the military authorities of the United States and Brig. General Stand Watie, Governor and Principal Chief of that part of the Cherokee Nation lately allied with Confederate States". (See: Treaty of Doaksville, June 23, 1865). He had done all he could do to protect his people as well as the southerners engaged in the war with the Union. He refused to take the "obnoxious oath" and ended his war by a treaty of amnesty and peace. .

The treaty of 1866 was made with the Southern Cherokee and their need for protection from the so-called loyal Cherokees, in mind. The first eight articles of the treaty pertain to the Southern Cherokee, establishing their right to separate government and jurisdiction. The Southern Cherokee mentioned in the treaty were those that had served under Brig. General Stand Watie in the Civil War on the side of the South against the Union. Stand Watie, at the time of the treaty, was principal chief of the Southern Cherokee whom are mentioned in the treaty of Doaksville, Choctaw Nation. .

One fact which must be clarified and understood is that the old "Treaty Party" members were not necessarily Southern Cherokee. "Treaty Party" members ended up fighting on both sides during the Civil War. If one has only proven descent from a member of the "Treaty Party", this in no way makes you a Southern Cherokee. The Southern Cherokee did not exist as such until the Civil War. This misrepresentation of some relationship between being "Treaty Party" and Southern Cherokee has been carried forward to the point of even rewriting federal documents to state "treaty party/southern Cherokee" for personal gain. The blood feud that started in 1834, lasted through the "Treaty Party" years and continued even after the treaty of peace in 1846. The Civil War brought it to the surface stronger than ever. It went on all through the Civil War with the Southern Cherokee and exists yet today. But today, it's fought with lobbyists and lawyers whose aim is to destroy the Southern Cherokee. For better or worse, the truth must be told. .



Southern Cherokee Nation of Kentucky based in Henderson Kentucky http://www.southerncherokeenationky.com/

This is also removed from there website:

Since our conception as The Treaty Party in 1835, we've been a nation of mixed bloods. We're however no less Cherokee than our Tahlequah brothers in the West or our Qualla brothers in the East. We further proclaim our rightful freedom, celebrate our independence and maintain our sovereignty guaranteed by a viable treaty ratified in 1866.
Brief history ... In 1862, Stand Watie was elected principal chief of the Southern Cherokee Nation. After his death in 1871, our Nation fell into peril. Without the protection of Stand Watie, the "mixed-blood" Southern Cherokee were brutally terrorized by the Pin Cherokee (an opposing faction of "full-blood" Cherokee) that blamed us for the loss of Cherokee land in Georgia. Although protection from the government was requested, they stood by while our people were systematically burned out and murdered. The Union Army wanted to help, but they just did not have the troops to protect us. The Pin Cherokee eventually forced most the of mixed bloods out of Oklahoma. While some remained in hiding, most others fled to the neighboring state of Arkansas. In an attempt to save the Southern Cherokee from further decimation, Chief James Martin, cousin to Stand Watie, gathered the mixed blood refugees and organized 75 wagons at Fort Smith to form a wagon train. Some opted to stay behind, while many departed with the wagons. Others chose to split off along the way for destinations such as Tennessee Illinois and Missouri, but the majority pressed onward to Kentucky with Chief James Martin. The Southern Cherokee Nation and their constitutional government were thereby effectively reestablished in Henderson, Kentucky. However, this tragic event left many of the southern Cherokee scattered and forgotten to all but a few.

Once in Kentucky... the Southern Cherokee reunited with their relatives who managed to evade the U.S. Army - while the rest were forced to march on the Trail of Tears through western Kentucky in 1838. The Southern Cherokee stayed quietly to themselves for well over 100 years for fear of being sent back to Indian Territory. They would still be concealed from the public if it were not for pseudo groups calling themselves Southern Cherokee. The Southern Cherokee of Kentucky remains the only sovereign Nation. In 1893, we were officially welcomed to Kentucky and "Recognized as an Indian tribe" by Governor John Y. Brown. In 2006, Governor Ernie Fletcher paid tribute to the Southern Cherokee Nation for its 114 years of existence in Kentucky.


Will the real Southern Cherokee Please Stand up!
OK lets do some more detective work
The Regiment that is mentioned as Stand Waties Forces is the 1st Cherokee Mounted Rifles: http://www.couchgenweb.com/civilwar/F&S1stCher.html
I have two Ancestors listed on the Muster Rolls one in Company I and the other in Company F if you read the names well I will let you be the judge. My point is I am betting that only a few names can't be traced to present day and these descendants still living in Oklahoma.
Not many Cherokee have enrolled with the Southern Cherokee Nation at Webbers Falls for if you look at there enrollment criteria you have to have an ancestor on the these muster Rolls and relinguish your citizenship with the Cherokee Nation.

This is what is at stake These groups are highjacking our history and making it there own...
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Soon Joseph was seeking out the other descendants in a attempt to reclaim their Native heritage, consulting with many other established tribes in the Southeastern United States and asking for guidance led to him founding the Manahoac Saponi Mattamuskeet Nation. Joseph Newman is often found comparing notes with many other researchers of the South Eastern Native American communities.
I forgot, our young warrior (if the above CV is indeed him) also foundedhis own nation no less. Josiah, do you know anything on this group's activities?

I also noted, as I suspected a few posts ago, that our young warrior makes tenuous connections to ancestors that he is not directly descended from such as aunts and in laws. I have an aunt that is from the Carrier Nation - she married my mother's brother. However, that does mot make me a Carrier descendant - their children yes and no matter how much I connect the dots to her, I will never be a Carrier descendant. Our young warrior seems to connect the dots to relations that are not his to claim but does it anyway.

If you also note from the above CV, it is designed to impress you by the massive amount of name dropping. He lived beside so and so, was taught by so and so etc. The really sad thing is if you were to remove that text that references all those other people there's not much left of his own life's accomplishments to boast about.

I wouldn't go so far as to say he's a fraud or fake Indian, I'd just leave it at his claims are dubious at best and his statements/claims are made on the backs of other people's work and lives. And we all know that one never makes a claim for something that is not ours to claim... it's not in any of our ways to do that. That is what makes our young warrior such a sad creature in his efforts to emulate our ways, he has done what many before him have done. Got it wrong.
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I just don't care...

Look: Is KiowaKat a duplicitous capitalist who has a very specific agenda ($$$) for espousing her beliefs?

"Sure." They live off disability and/or whatever she can scrounge by producing artifacts she can tag as "Native made." (That's admitted by her and documentable.) That's her personal thing and it's intellectual garbage because, if you want to stand on your own two feet as an individual or Native, you actively compete and don't cower behind legal protections.

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(Sigh.)

I just don't care...

Look: Is KiowaKat a duplicitous capitalist who has a very specific agenda ($$$) for espousing her beliefs?

"Sure." They live off disability and/or whatever she can scrounge by producing artifacts she can tag as "Native made." (That's admitted by her and documentable.) That's her personal thing and it's intellectual garbage because, if you want to stand on your own two feet as an individual or Native, you actively compete and don't cower behind legal protections.

That said, the rest of this topic is intellectual masturbation. Why?

You only care about this if you define your Nativeness by what the Feds think.

I don't, so I don't care.

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