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silence is golden 01-25-2008 05:22 PM

if i give you the three dollars back,you might buy meat with it...that would be doing you a great diservice.,and i would also get bad karma//when a person gives the Hare Krishnas money it clesanstheir heartfromso much dirt fromso many lifetimes.I know about the ceremonies.My friend,Krishna Dasa,his father was amedicine chief in South Dakota...I know about all the austerities and the piercings,the voluntary pain forgain...were on the same side...Krishna dasas Father performed a Native American Ceremony before the Deities were installed here,in New Dwarka....Our children have a very elevated birth,as do the pure native american indians.imjust older and more informed about a;ll thisstuff.Im just a servant of the devotees who are part of Caitanya Lila,and a servant of the Native American Indians...theres even a specialhealer,very famous in Boulder ,Colorado.Hannah,she has a church and she said the devotees weere sent to save the worlsd..I cant stand christians who eat meat...thats sooo bogus.and i wish they would kill the people who kill the cows....they dont deserve to live...I live with a rabbit,named Shanti babalove...and i dont see how somany people think that animals have no soul....they are Gods children also...the wild game i agree with if the people have powers and pray for the animals future when they kill it,but how many natives goand hunt their own animals...most buy meats in the stores..thats very badf....youneed to get some info on how they grow and kill these animals with such uttercruelty...its not human to treat them this way....,all for their temporary sense gratification.most people donthave the desire to research this stuff...theyd rather criticize about things they know nothing about..Next time give the hare krishna 20.00 and actually read the book...its notgoing to harm you...you will be purified....and maybe you dont dance for worship to the Creator,for peace on earth....i seriously dont agree with your opinion of why people dance at the powwow,.Dancing in a worshipful way is natural..everyone wanrts to serve someone...I know that the drumming,the sinfging and dancing is for worshipping the creator,though I have only personally known a few native american indians,thoughthey were the very pure ones... the pure ones.one of them is Big Al(ex-Cia fromSouth Dakota) he terrifies people with one world gov.info about one world gov.plans

Josiah 01-25-2008 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackbear (Post 1008212)
Dude.. if you want to help.. then preach on about traditional diet and traditional diet included wild game like deer, moose, antelope, bison, fish, pheasant and so on.. but not pig, it was'nt indigenous to here... And even corn was'nt always just corn like you know it.

Today's market corn has been hybrid to death for size, color and sweetness. Most of the corn eating native nations treated their corn and turned it into hominy which also changes the composition of the corn. The traditional old strain of corn which the Iroquois still grow (Tuscarora white flour being one of them) is small, white and when lye treated has great concentrations of calcium and becomes less a carb. It's not just that we treated the corn, but how we did it as well because the English would use their trashy campfire ashes and run it through a sieve I believe. We used nothing but clean hardwood ash over an open fire. The corn then can be dried and stored or pounded into flour to which strawberries or beans were added with boiling water to make bread (boiled after loaf is formed) or course ground for a type of grits.

Oh man there is just so much more to this than can be put here in one post... but if you really want to know more about the native American diets, read the articles and books written by native authors not these new age authors who want to paint us as some kind of spiritual being abandoned on earth.

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Originally Posted by wyo_rose (Post 1008205)
Well the unhealthy food is not the meat, especially the buffalo and other wild meat.

Most people don't dance at powwows to pray to the Creator or for world peace. There's ceremonies for that THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!!

It looks like you don't know much about anything except Hare Krishna. And ganga. :rolleyes:

Speaking of which can I ask for my $3.00 back that Hare Krishna hounded me for while stuck in Denver Airport? With interest for 30 years it should be $20 bucks now.

Bravo!!
Excellent posts!
I was getting ready to just say F*** Off
But an intelligent thought provoking post will work also!

silence is golden 01-25-2008 05:27 PM

did youknow that HareKrishna means,dear God,please let me serve you?
also,did youknow thwat Lord Caitanya,God himself appeared 500 years ago,in India?We are so fortunate inn this degraded age,because of tht.

silence is golden 01-25-2008 05:37 PM

there is so much ignorance..that we are battling.By the way,we are on the same side,though Im not a good preacher,and i dont get long with most women...i try to stay away fromthem.

timmy tiger 01-25-2008 05:59 PM

Ma'am you aren't living up to your name "Silence is Golden"!!!!!!!!!!

Eagle Plumes 01-25-2008 06:45 PM

well I wondered when another one would come along its seems like when one go's away we get another one.

NancyJo 01-25-2008 07:27 PM

Gee whiz......SIG, maybe you should check out the HareKrishna chat forums instead of AMERICAN Indian chat forums.

Anyway........
Really good article on "guts and grease".

Blackbear 01-28-2008 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by silence is golden (Post 1008250)
did youknow that HareKrishna means,dear God,please let me serve you?
also,did youknow thwat Lord Caitanya,God himself appeared 500 years ago,in India?We are so fortunate inn this degraded age,because of tht.

Not that any of that is relevant to the conversation... which reminds me.. if you want to talk about that, it's another topic, go start it somewhere else please... preferably another .com but if you REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLy think people here are interested then chit chat might be the area for it. It almost seems like you are getting the indigenous people of the americas confused with those in India from time to time as well..... you sure you know where you are posting?

silence is golden 01-28-2008 05:52 PM

Stop. youre making me laugh too much. I wish I had a printer...it takes forever to copy the jokes by hand and i have a bad memory..

Eagle Plumes 01-28-2008 07:32 PM

I must of miss'd it I wasnt aware of jokes

between2worlds 01-28-2008 10:01 PM

Good articles, Josiah!

Fills in some blanks for me - like where cracking and boiling the bones for soup or stew stock came from (and why people look at me weird when I write out an asked for recipe for the soup or stew they just ate and they come to the "take 3 or 4 large [whatever meat] bones, crack them open and throw them in the stock"), the saving of all sorts of fats, mixing meat and fruit (especially berries) together, liking to eat various organ meats, why I had to eat so blinking much fish when I was a kid and the weird bias I have about not drinking plain water (makes me choke) - there has to be something in there, even if it's just a handful of sumac berries and a small touch of maple syrup.

The part that made me chuckle was this one:

<quote>So the formula for good health in the modern age begins with the products of "a fine dairy herd"—whole, raw, unprocessed milk from cows that eat green grass, a highly nutritious substitute for guts and grease and one that every child can enjoy, even native American children who are supposedly lactose intolerant. </quote>

I -am- a lactose intolerant *adult*. I wasn't as a child. Didn't start for me until age 25 or so. Milk (and later many milk products) now does evil things in my digestive system UNLESS it's had the lactose more fully broken down by bacteria like yogurt (the real kind not the "kind of looks like/smells like/tastes like" chemical brew that some brands are), hard/sharp cheeses or milk that has been scalded long enough. Speaking of which I tried a Salvadoran cultured sour cream this past weekend that seems to be safe (at least in small quantities).

Exercise has been my 5 year problem - being on wheels has definitely limited what I can do. I'm getting better about skipping the "civilized food" and eating more like how my grandparents did when we all lived together. Some things I can't get - real ojib wild rice or I can't get to - like cattail pollen, flowers and roots.

I will say that up until 5 years ago I was only about 10 lbs heavier than I was in high school. But that was from exercise more than from eating or not eating certain things. I walked -every where-, walking was something I did for the pleasure of it. At one point my wife calculated that walking the dog twice a day added up to at least 10 miles.

Now is not so good. Uncle "Arthy" has ground up my knees and he's working on my hands, neck and right shoulder and I don't know which one he'll finish with first.

silence is golden 01-28-2008 10:50 PM

Im so sorry if thats happenning to your body...a good preventative and these days,for survival,,,its good to break fast with 4 oz. of wheatgrass and a 16 0z. cup of carrot beet juiice...if your iron is low,beat juice will raise it fasrter than anything.. wheatgrass ids like drinking a few pounds of raw vegis....and of course pure water...then you have to wait a few hours...then eayt some beans,rice and chapatis{frybread thats not fried.}(split moong beans are the most digestible,high protein bean{for those with cancer}my fav. is lentils....those are like frybread without grease...thats a lot of a complete protein diet. fruits need to be eaten by themselves..no white flour,and no white sugar...and some ginger root ,and cilantro with your meals,and yogurt...thats all I can think of and ive been studying health my whole life.If native american indians insist that threy must eat fish...they should move to Alaska,,,soon they wont be able to eat the fish in Alaska...sounds like maybe you have a huge amount of mercury in your system.the native american indians are expert cooks so they know what spices are healing .

wyo_rose 01-29-2008 12:47 PM

:rolleyes: Can you please stick to the subject of nutrition and quit the condescending Native American references??:rolleyes:

I almost get interested in what you have to say, then you blow it with stereotypical, and nonsensical NA remarks.

I don't know if you have ever had frybread, but chapatis is NOT like frybread, it's more like a tortilla. And don't even compare lentils (which I LOVE) to frybread.

You know we're all living in the 21st century, so luckily we don't have to MOVE to Alaska to enjoy seafood. Nor should we have to listen to your hair brained NA ramblings.

AND Please don't try to diagnose anyone!! *stomping off*

between2worlds 01-29-2008 01:30 PM

:appl::appl::appl:

between2worlds 01-29-2008 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by silence is golden (Post 1008914)
Im so sorry if thats happenning to your body...a good preventative and these days,for survival,,,its good to break fast with 4 oz. of wheatgrass and a 16 0z. cup of carrot beet juiice...if your iron is low,beat juice will raise it fasrter than anything.. wheatgrass ids like drinking a few pounds of raw vegis....and of course pure water...then you have to wait a few hours...then eayt some beans,rice and chapatis{frybread thats not fried.}(split moong beans are the most digestible,high protein bean{for those with cancer}my fav. is lentils....those are like frybread without grease...thats a lot of a complete protein diet. fruits need to be eaten by themselves..no white flour,and no white sugar...and some ginger root ,and cilantro with your meals,and yogurt...thats all I can think of and ive been studying health my whole life.If native american indians insist that threy must eat fish...they should move to Alaska,,,soon they wont be able to eat the fish in Alaska...sounds like maybe you have a huge amount of mercury in your system.the native american indians are expert cooks so they know what spices are healing .


Uh hello? :eyebrow2:

I AM native, was raised up native BY natives out in the middle of no-where northern USA.

What's your lineage?

Josiah 01-29-2008 01:41 PM

silence is golden is becoming very clear that you have not read any of the numerous replies to your rambling posts

By all means do so....

Blackbear 01-29-2008 04:06 PM

The key to buying good fish is to buy wild caught not farmed. Farming actually has more mercury and pollutants in it because they are localized to one area and don't get to go out to sea like the wild salmon do. Check the pollutant levels in the rivers, streams, lakes and ponds you go to.. there ARE some that are'nt bad out there. Oh and buy american wild caught, not the imported stuff... lately some bad things have come about from imported fish that you really don't want!

As for this wierd comment on herbs that seems to be applied to all of us... I know my people did'nt deal with alot of herbs themselves, but we did use alot of shoots and roots. Many of the herbs we use today were brought over here from the orient from what I understand. Sage is indigenous as well as I know my people refined salt from salt mines.. which is also something the Onondaga were known for doing. But when you read about healing plants and foods the herbs don't seem to be included for consuming but more for burning.

LOL comparing lentils to frybread as an equal... that's a GOOD joke!

Eagle Plumes 01-29-2008 05:08 PM

Ok BlackBear as long as the chap dont start talking about todgers we will be OK! :wink_smil

timmy tiger 01-29-2008 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Eagle Plumes (Post 1009262)
Ok BlackBear as long as the chap dont start talking about todgers we will be OK! :wink_smil

You still aren't over that one, are you.LMAO

Eagle Plumes 01-29-2008 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by timmy tiger (Post 1009270)
You still aren't over that one, are you.LMAO

Im sooooo not lol now I can laugh but man the nerve!


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