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Old 04-20-2014, 10:10 PM   #1
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Thumbs up Healing Through the Arts: Art and Spirituality

I'm planning conferences for the month of July, August and September. They will be during the week of the Arlee Pow wow, Browning Pow wow, Rocky Boy Pow wow and Bismark Pow wow. I'm wondering how much interest there is out there to learn about art therapy and Native spirituality. I'm currently working as a therapist with clients on art therapy and spirituality and find it helpful for those who have had trauma in their lives to express themselves through art...I will have Sam English, Native American artist as one of my guest speakers as well as Native healers.
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I'm planning conferences for the month of July, August and September. They will be during the week of the Arlee Pow wow, Browning Pow wow, Rocky Boy Pow wow and Bismark Pow wow. I'm wondering how much interest there is out there to learn about art therapy and Native spirituality. I'm currently working as a therapist with clients on art therapy and spirituality and find it helpful for those who have had trauma in their lives to express themselves through art...I will have Sam English, Native American artist as one of my guest speakers as well as Native healers.
@elizabethbelcourt,could you clarify what you mean by Native spirituality ?
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looks like alot of interest.....look at all the bored housewives and twinkie wannabes out there......sedona AZ is living proof that you can build a whole industry off of it
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OK, twinkie patrol, don't assume everyone that posts a certain phrase is a new ager.
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OK, twinkie patrol, don't assume everyone that posts a certain phrase is a new ager.
Maybe not , maybe it's another ndn selling the culture.....pay here for wise old ndn secrets !
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Oh , but it's O.K. cause they're ndn.......hmmmmm......
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Oh , but it's O.K. cause they're ndn.......hmmmmm......
Yeah, it's okay because she's an ndn therapist trying to help other ndns .

Most of you all in the rest of the country have been bombarded with new agers, twinkles, etc... and have your feathers already ruffled.

But up this way - Montana/North Dakota, there's not so many. And who says she's even charging.
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indians are twinkies too....just look at james uqualla or joseph rael

but yeah wyo.....youre probably right........maybe its the area i am from and the constant bombardment that makes some of us bitter....you do have a good point there
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Sometimes people can have the best intent at heart and still be wrong....

And anytime you start advertising native healers.....then there's issues

Down this way we don't see that. We know who our "Holy People" are....we don't call them shaman, medicine men, etc , etc. Generally when they start that type of language , they're pegged right off as twinkies or new agers.
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but yeah wyo.....youre probably right........maybe its the area i am from and the constant bombardment that makes some of us bitter....you do have a good point there

Yeah , I can agree with that !
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Yeah, it's okay because she's an ndn therapist trying to help other ndns .

Most of you all in the rest of the country have been bombarded with new agers, twinkles, etc... and have your feathers already ruffled.

But up this way - Montana/North Dakota, there's not so many. And who says she's even charging.
Hence the reason for my question to her. I hope she clarifies what she means by native spirituality before any of us jump to assumptions. I know that art therapy has shown to be promising for many people challenged by difficulties. Hope she answers.

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An article from The Circle on the collaboration between Sam English and Elizabeth Belcourt

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I still want to show you about twinkies and where I live.
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This work touches on an area where out individual communities may need to think long and hard.

When we decide we want culturally appropriate/responsive therapies which incorporate western modalities, then we get into a host of issues. Not the least of these being money and comdification of culture. As at least functionally bicultural individuals, many of us want or need these services.

Even for most in the dominant culture healing, particularly of the human mind, has a spiritual dimension. For most Native people this is even more so. By default, healing involves praying and seeking spiritual guidance. But Western healing therapies and the professionals that practice them are inextricably bound with dominant culture structures that make for some serious cross cultural collisions. For example, the blanket "you don't pay to pray" is impossible when you're working with licensed professionals that have to have insurance, offices, equipment, etc. Directly through fees or indirectly through tax payer funded grants, you're paying to pray.

If we're strictly honest about modern money being an medium to secure our material needs and wants, we've always "paid to pray." If we hadn't, we'd have had one generation of people with spiritual callings, because they would have starved to death before they bred. You can hem and haw and say it was a contribution, they'd help those in need... But our pre-colonization communities had specialized roles and institutions for supporting those that filled those roles.

This is not to say the crass $500/head sweat lodge, wine, cheese and sleeze New age circuit riders are a good thing. But, we do need to face the facts. This practice is going to require the development of different institutions, which are going to by necessity have a dominant culture cast. We're going to be paying for professionals to help us pray and heal.

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If we're strictly honest about modern money being an medium to secure our material needs and wants, we've always "paid to pray." If we hadn't, we'd have had one generation of people with spiritual callings, because they would have starved to death before they bred. You can hem and haw and say it was a contribution, they'd help those in need... But our pre-colonization communities had specialized roles and institutions for supporting those that filled those roles.
I'll just say this , the ones I know of , that help folks , do so for whatever you bring , tobacco , groceries , and whatever few bucks you can give. There is no pre-ordained set price for helping folks. If I go and all I got is 20 bucks , or 5 , I won't be turned away. I do agree that there is an urgent need , but how far do we bend ? I'm not a full blood , and I'm not a purest , but there is a line somewhere and I just don't know where that is.
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I'll just say this , the ones I know of , that help folks , do so for whatever you bring , tobacco , groceries , and whatever few bucks you can give. There is no pre-ordained set price for helping folks. If I go and all I got is 20 bucks , or 5 , I won't be turned away.
That the Native cultural institution, developed from a people's original instructions, if you will. Operating from the tacit understanding that these people and their gifts are important to our communal survival. So, directly and indirectly they will be supported. Within the fully indigenous context this works.

Where I see foresee problems is in cases where you have a western trained and licensed individual. For example, you have a licensed, therapist who uses spiritual practices/principles in their treatment -- analogous the Christian psychologists, some of whom's therapeutic approach rejects some elements of secular humanist psychological theory. This hypothetical practitioner has to have insurance, so on and so forth. And that has to be paid for somehow - insurance, grants, etc. Is the patient then paying to pray, as it were?

What happens when this person charges other therapists to learn their techniques? Is it different because in most Native belief systems I'm familiar with, there is some supernatural investment, which isn't going to happen in a classroom?

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... there is a line somewhere and I just don't know where that is.
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