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#121 |
Sg̱aaga g̱uu hla.
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Don't worry piggy, there's a planned cleaning stations for later today. Are you voluntolding?
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#122 |
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I can't bring the cuban cigars then.
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Ugh. As. If.
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![]() You are old.HAHAHAHA I've been divorced for almost 3 years now and was married for 22 years and my son turns 24 years old 7 days after the 3rd anniversary of my divorce. Yeah, i'm old too.HAHAHAHAHA |
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![]() I agree that it will be easier in the future to start setting a provenance now, but Wikpedia discribes it as: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provenance Provenance, from the French provenir, "to come from", refers to the chronology of the ownership or location of an historical object.[1] The term was originally mostly used for works of art, but is now used in similar senses in a wide range of fields, including science and computing. Typical uses may cover any artifact found in archaeology, any object in paleontology, certain documents (such as manuscripts), or copies of printed books. In most fields, the primary purpose of provenance is to confirm or gather evidence as to the time, place, and—when appropriate—the person responsible for the creation, production, or discovery of the object. This will typically be accomplished by tracing the whole history of the object up to the present. Comparative techniques, expert opinions, and the results of scientific tests may also be used to these ends, but establishing provenance is essentially a matter of documentation. In archaeology (particularly North American archaeology and anthropological archaeology throughout the world), the term provenience is used somewhat similarly to "provenance". Archaeological researchers use provenience to refer to the three-dimensional location of an artifact or feature within an archaeological site,[2] as opposed to provenance, which includes an artifact's complete documented history. Provenance issues regarding works of art and cultural artifacts is a largely taboo subject within the museum discipline |
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The consumer must protect themselves, there will always be the person who will purchase a ring made in Taiwan because it is cheaper than one made by Begay, but it will never have the quaility of the Begay art nor will it gain in value... You cannot stop people from doing what they want... however, with the law, the ring from Taiwan cannot be sold as Indian made, or as Indian art, that is what the law is about. The law is not as much about protecting a artist, it is to protect the art. I cannot go to China, mass produce toys, ship them to the US and claim they were made in the USA... The law does not stop non Native people from making money, the law stops them from selling it is Indian made. If people are whinning about this law now, cant wait to hear them whine when and if we can get the revisions made to the laws that we are currently seeking. Not long ago, a woman claiming to be of the "Morning Star Tribe" was selling her beadwork as Indian made, I emailed her and informed her she was in violation of the IACA, to which she responded that she paid her membership dues and could do what she wanted.... yes, I did turn the issue over to the IACA board, within a week, the woman changed her website and stopped her claims of being a Indian artist from this false group she was with.... I support the law, I am willing to enforce it, and more and more, people are contacting us for advice on enforcing it in their areas. |
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#131 |
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Who said anything about volunteering? I said voluntolding.. ask your wife to explain it to you... lol
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However that said, in my spare time work I deal with museums, galleries and private collectors to repatriate artifacts and human remains to their original First Nation. Provenance and provenience are key documents in getting negotiations underway. Perhaps you would like to set out what are the amendments forthcoming on the IACA. Are these amendments a result of public consultation or committee? How far along are amendments in getting pronounced to be in full force and effect? I'm curious as to why native artists aren't speaking more about Intellectual Property to protect their work over relying on the IACA? If as you gave in your example, that someone copied a design from Begay and reproduced it, why wouldn't they seek damages under the copyright laws? I think by the sound of what you have described that Natives in the US aren't using their copyright and IP ownership to stop counterfeits but relying upon a law that even you have admitted isn't enforced all that much. Recently, I had someone copy and reproduce some of my work and when I discovered the reproductions (thanks a very cool org that I am a member of that vigilantly searches for ripoffs of my work and other artists) I fired off a legal claim for copyright infringements. Now our laws up here are pretty strict and very clear on what I can do to protect my work. Some say IP litigation is pretty toothy and yields results beyond anything that civil or criminal prosecution could yield. For every image this offender made of my work, they were made pay me 10,000 per image. The judge could have ordered up to 20,000 per image but the offender voluntarily destroyed all images and provided proof. I'd rather have a law that protects my work against forgeries, counterfeits and unauthorized reproductions than something that protects the consumer via the artist's authentication. Who gets the fines up to the specified amounts in the IACA? The government or the artist? Let's think about that for a minute. One of my other concerns that if a Native artist actually wanted to mass produce their work, say for argument sake, a specific designed pair of beaded earring. Maybe even sell a licensing agreement to a chic brand store, then how does the IACA hamper or assist that endeavour? Does the IACA approved Native then have to relinquish their ability to tout the earrings as "Indian Made" in favour of economic development? What if an IACA approved Indian were to hire assistants in their studio work or even to assist in installations work, do those assistants have to be IACA approved in order for the originator of the work to still be able to say "Indian Made"? Are any of the changes to the act you've alluded to addressing any of this?
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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. — Robert A. Heinlein I can see the wheel turning but the Hamster appears to be dead. |
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![]() Learned fast, didn't ya.HAHAHAHA Last edited by timmy tiger; 01-07-2012 at 09:20 PM.. |
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I pull your leg out!
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IACA ReDux
It has been decided that we should split up the discussion on the IACA from the discussion pertaining to the Federal Cherokee debate. I simply just moved all posts from #640 onward from the Federal Cherokee Debate thread to this new one.
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I thought "When did I join that discussion?"LMAO ![]() |
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![]() Since you are in Canada, I can only wonder why you have such interest in the IACA since it does not pertain to Canadians, that is, unless a person comes down to the states to sell, then they would need to sell their items as Canadian Aboriginal. Problem solved. |
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I think the point a lot of people miss here is that people from tribes on both sides of the border take interest in what is going on with each other. Remember that border with Canada is imaginary and the original inhabitants of what is now the northern U.S.A. never had such a border. Many people have relatives on both sides and some tribes were even divided because of it.
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