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Old 03-05-2004, 09:24 AM   #1
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Indian Republican surprised that party accepts him
Friday, March 5, 2004

Bruce Whalen, a member of the Oglala Sioux Tribe of South Dakota, has a big task this year: to convince American Indians in the state to vote Republican.

Whalen says the Republican Party is aligned with the Lakota ideals of respect for life, limited government, sovereignty and local control. He blames poverty, alcoholism, abuse and other problems on government programs and tribal governments that depend on government money.

As he campaigns for the GOP, he says he is happy to know that fellow Republicans accept him. "That says to me inclusion," Whalen told The Rapid City Journal.

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Doesn't the GOP back the Rocky Mountain States Legal Fund, which has long advocated abrogating all treaties and completely abolishing tribes as legal entities and selling off tribal holdings to private individuals and corporate entities?

Didn't Bush, in his first week of office rescind the federal recognition for the Dwamish, then go one step further by declaring a 500+ member tribe "extinct"?

Hmmm, the GOP doesn't sound anywhere near Indian-friendly to me, and as far as having the same values, maybe they're talking about the propensity of the gov't- fed, state, local, AND tribal- for lying to, stealing from, harassing, and abusing the people they are supposed to be serving. No thanks, I've had my fill.
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Indian Republican?!?! I dont think he's Sioux. He's gotta be Pequot. LOL!
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"Republicans support rugged individualism and oppose racial preferences and class warfare." Now let's think about that statement.

Republicans dream of returning America to its political-social status prior to the liberal 1960's, a time when white Christians still had effective government endorsement as THE "true" Americans. Their dream society was based on its 18th- and 19th-Century building blocks, when property ownership and eligibility for public service was largely based on NOT having Indian blood. Now, I'd call that racial preference.

If I used my race to get lightyears ahead of others and taught my children to do likewise, and later my grandchildren noticed the others' descendants doing the same to gain back their ground, what a PERFECT time to start touting "Individualism!" and "No racial preferences!" What complete hypocracy.

I agree with Republicans on some issues, BUT with different methodologies:

- Less government, lower taxes. BUT - This can be done by reducing the wages of politicians. If they're so dang good, they should just volunteer to work for a pauper's salary. Finding whereever money is wasted and stopping up those gaps would save money that could still be used on essential social services.

- Less government, more freedom. BUT - The government should have no place to interfere with religion in terms of defining what a marriage is or isnt. Banning certain activities based on bonafide health risks is one thing; doing so because religion looks at them as sinful is quite another.

- National security is essential. BUT - keeping the US nose out of the world's business would do much to ensure national security. You can sometimes accomplish more with honey than you can with vinegar.

- Indian tribes should strive for success. BUT - honoring the treaties would empower the tribes to do just that. We know what is best for our people. We also have a right to levy taxes on our own territories. If a local town can impose its own taxes, why shouldn't we on our reservations? (And about that "taxation without representation" argument. I live in Snohomish County, Washington, which has a lower sales tax than in King County. But if I shop in King County, I must pay King County's tax even though I do not live there and do not vote for their county elections. Make sense?)

For years, I agreed with Republicans on key issues. But there is ONE issue that matters far beyond all others: NATIVE SOVEREIGNTY. Sorry, GOP, you just don't support it.

Abortion rights, environment, what happened in Iraq, those are important and we can make fun of Bush all we want of course, but all we really have to do is look at Native Sovereignty and who supports or opposes it to decide which major party is truly the "lesser of two evils".
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"Indian Republican?!?! I dont think he's Sioux. He's gotta be Pequot. LOL!"

Pretty funny!!!
I chose to take over the white house and make it a NDN Casino, turn captial hill into the bingo hall, and have the the Chris Columbus staute riped down stone by stone and replace with a Tall NDN and white people bowing to it.
Thats what I would do.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wakalapi
[B]"Republicans support rugged individualism and oppose racial preferences and class warfare." Now let's think about that statement.

Republicans dream of returning America to its political-social status prior to the liberal 1960's, a time when white Christians still had effective government endorsement as THE "true" Americans. Their dream society was based on its 18th- and 19th-Century building blocks, when property ownership and eligibility for public service was largely based on NOT having Indian blood. Now, I'd call that racial preference.

If I used my race to get lightyears ahead of others and taught my children to do likewise, and later my grandchildren noticed the others' descendants doing the same to gain back their ground, what a PERFECT time to start touting "Individualism!" and "No racial preferences!" What complete hypocracy." [QOUTE][!]

First of all, I am a strong Republican, and a woman. I do not believe that using racial preferences will get anyone anywhere, infact, I wrote a huge paper on it. Racial preferences make people feel as if they deserve what they want regardless of their qualifications. It makes people victims. (This is the whole liberal constitution: make people victimes so that they can get further without being bothered.) Affirmative Aciton will be the downfall of every native and every minority in the United States. It violates the original position of the Civil Rights Movement, which was a color-blind society. Think about it. Education is the only way to achieve any amount of success. The problem with minority youth is that the parents do not emphasize education enough. The youth, all of American youth, do not have strong romodels that are presented as "someone you would want to look up to." Instead they have sports stars, movie stars, rappers, Al Sharpton (lol). There is no real educated romodel that is "popular" among youth, and for this, I blame the schools, as well as the parents. You do not need anyone to tell you that because you are Native, or a minority, you cannot succed on your own merits, so we will have to push you along. I will get there one my own thank you!
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"Republicans support rugged individualism and oppose racial preferences and class warfare." Now let's think about that statement.

Republicans dream of returning America to its political-social status prior to the liberal 1960's, a time when white Christians still had effective government endorsement as THE "true" Americans. Their dream society was based on its 18th- and 19th-Century building blocks, when property ownership and eligibility for public service was largely based on NOT having Indian blood. Now, I'd call that racial preference."
Now lets look at the facts. Since then, the Republican and the Democratic parties have swiched positions. during the 18th century, there were no Republicans, just Federalists and Anti-Federalists. (The first political parties.) The Democrats and Rebulicans did not surface until the 19th century.
Back then, Democrats wanted more restrictions on rights and what not, not the Republicans who were advocates of the Constitution. Since then, Democrats have obviously become extremists on the basic human rights, and Reppublican are more reserved and logical on human rights. (Think about it)
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"Less government, lower taxes. BUT - This can be done by reducing the wages of politicians. If they're so dang good, they should just volunteer to work for a pauper's salary. Finding whereever money is wasted and stopping up those gaps would save money that could still be used on essential social services."
Politicans like Senators and Represenative, the President, and so on, do a huge service to the American people. Their entire life, 24/7 is dedicated to their jobs during their terms. They deserve every penny they get. If you were a politican, and could understand what an undertaking it is, then you would agree. Keep it in perspective that politicians tend to already be wealthy. The amount they earn during their terms does not compare to the amount of wealth they already have.
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"Less government, more freedom. BUT - The government should have no place to interfere with religion in terms of defining what a marriage is or isnt. Banning certain activities based on bonafide health risks is one thing; doing so because religion looks at them as sinful is quite another."
The question about gay marriage is not a religous issue. You can not bring religion into politics, or you will be eaten alive, every politician knows this. Read my post on gay marriage so that I don't have to re-write the entire post again. It is in the only thread that is about gay marriage. Please note that the religious arguments you hear about gay marriage do not come from politicians. They know better! (Give them some credit, they are educated people.)
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No offense, Humminrose, but it has been my experience as a Native woman growing up in the South in the 60's that I had to be twice as good as white folks at danged near everything just to be considered adequate. When we were given an IQ test at school in the 4th grade as part of some data gathering experiment, I apparently scored at about 168. The teacher told ny mother I must have cheated because no minority child , especially one from a broken home, could have done that well naturally. My brother, who as in the 3rd, also scored about the same. Keep in mind that we were the only minority kids in the school. No one else's scores were questioned, and no one else was made to take the stupid test again, in a locked room with 2 chaperones watching. We again scored at about the same, and all my teacher could say was I'd never amount to anything.

Every time I have dealt with whites, they have tried everyway till Sunday to see if they could cheat me or pay me less for my labor, artwork, or livestock than they'll willingly pay other whites. My work has been more closely scrutinized than that of white co-workers, and gotten more criticism-almost always over piddly stuff that no one else got noticed for. I've had employers, bosses, etc, ask any Natives if we were going out drinking after payday or warn us not to come in hung over on Monday, and I don't even drink. They didn't say the same crap to whites, even knowing that they were headed out to par-tay.

There has never been a level playing field for us, and whites aren't interested in being fair. Accomodation has never gotten any person of color anywhere except ground down further under the white man's boot heel. I REFUSE to go along with their notions of what's "fair" and "just", because I refuse to get screwed over just to avoid rocking the boat and disturbing their fragile egos. I wasn't raised to take a back seat to anyone except the Almighty, and white folks aren't anywhere near God no matter what they think.
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"National security is essential. BUT - keeping the US nose out of the world's business would do much to ensure national security. You can sometimes accomplish more with honey than you can with vinegar.".
One can only assume that you are talking about the current situation in Iraq. I am glad we are over there defending our country's economy! Remember, if the middle east continues to be un-stable, our economy will keep on dwindling! Most of our revenue flows from that tiny part of the world. If you can save our economy, and make a statment on terrorism, and liberate a country, all at the same time, then take it! If President Bush didn't take that oppourtunity, he would have been a bad president. (I believe he is the best in my day)By the way, we have been trying the honey thing for quite sometime. These people don't like honey.

-If you have any dissputes abou whether or not Sadamm was involved with 9/11, chew on this....
An Iraqi refugee, a woman, lives near my house on the military base, Fort Lewis. She fled Iraq when her entire family was slaughtered. She learned that those that were identified as the hijackers of 9/11, had the name of one of her relatives., who was massacared. Sadamm ordered entire families to be murdered in order to provide idenities for those who were to kill our loved ones. Not only that, but he provided money for Al Quida so they could carry out their missions. money, by the way, that was given to him by the U.S. to provide relief for his peopel! See, honey doesn't work.
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"There has never been a level playing field for us, and whites aren't interested in being fair. Accomodation has never gotten any person of color anywhere except ground down further under the white man's boot heel. I REFUSE to go along with their notions of what's "fair" and "just", because I refuse to get screwed over just to avoid rocking the boat and disturbing their fragile egos. I wasn't raised to take a back seat to anyone except the Almighty, and white folks aren't anywhere near God no matter what they think.
I take great offense in what you have said. I am Cherokee, but I am also Irish and Hungarian. I think what you have just said is racist and exactly what you complained about what those white people you have encountered have done. They, along with most Americans, (black, white, hispanic, asian, etc.) stereotyped you, and you just stereotyped them. I am "white" as well, and I am not scandelous or mischievious whatsoever. My grandmother who is Irish is not at all like what you have grouped whites as being. My Grandfather who is a decendent of a Hungarian Gypsy is not at all like what you have said. My Grandfather, who Cherokee and Irish is from the south and encountered no such problems. My Great Grandmother who is full Cherokee never complained about anyone. you along with many other natives have this driven hate against whites taht has been passed down from generation to generation. This country will never be united if we self-segregate ourselves. Forget the diversity crap. Diversity is the complete opposite of unification.

-so you know, I too have been in the exact same situation. I was in an Advanced Placement History course. After taking a test, and acing it, my professor took me aside and told me that I had cheated. He said that I could not have possibly known this stuff because I was Native American and a Woman. I was striken and appaled, so I went, very professionaly, to the administration, and with other incidents in tow, the professor was fired. What happened to you was during the 60's. Remember things have changed since then. Schools are less tolerent of discrimination.

- please do not judge an entire population because of a bad experience with a few of them. Since most Natives already have a preconcieved notion about all white people, they will approach a white person with that attitude. That white person knows exactly why the Native has that attitude, and responds with an attitude of their own. How do we end this cycle? Drop the disrespect! Give respect (and a happy face) to everyone, unless they prove unworthy. Take this advice and the world will be a less hateful place.
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Wow, Hummingrose, here we are again in disagreement. As I read through your posts here and elsewhere I can see that you are like my mom. I love my mom, but...... we never agree. See here is the thing, too many Americans are Pete and Repeat, you know. Pete and Repeat were sitting on a fence Pete fell off and who was left? REPEAT. Have you ever read any articles by foreign papers to get a less monitered version of the current events? And since when has America been trying the "honey" approach? Even since the beginning of this interesting government that now runs this land, which was stolen from a whole race of people who now make up less than 2% of the population and are not sovereign, and are still discriminated against, and do not have their language written on informational brochures along with Spanish, Russian and Cambodian and whatever else languages because some of their languages have died out or are spoken fluently by 5 elders, ever since the beginning this nation has used the take what I want by whatever means I want to take it for the good of myself and a few of my most powerful friends, Vinegar method. So my advice is this: Read or listen to BBC, and other foreign news, study all sides of the story and then get back to us. Maybe you will still be Repeat, but I will alway's be Pete and I will alway's fall off the fence. As far as the Republican thing goes, I do not think that the Republican party can be trusted at all, regardless of whether the person in question is Native, Black, Woman, Gay, Asian, Green w/ Rainbow hair, the republican party has and alway's will use whatever means they can to get more Americans to take their side even if that means putting the wolf in sheeps clothing so to speak. GAURD YOUR MINDS BY INFORMING YOURSELF WITH ALL SIDES OF THE STORY. Since you seem to be a religous woman, what would have happened if King Solomon had only heard the story of one of the women who came to him with the baby argument and not the other? He would not have gone down in history as the wisest king of all. But, like my mom, I'm sure my arguments will fall on deaf ears.
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Even since the beginning of this interesting government that now runs this land, which was stolen from a whole race of people who now make up less than 2% of the population and are not sovereign, and are still discriminated against, and do not have their language written on informational brochures along with Spanish, Russian and Cambodian and whatever else languages because some of their languages have died out or are spoken fluently by 5 elders, ever since the beginning this nation has used the take what I want by whatever means I want to take it for the good of myself and a few of my most powerful friends, Vinegar method.
Let's remember that Native Americans make up the smallest minority. Why would they print pamphlets with our languages on them? Do you have any idea how long those pamphlets would be? I don't think they should re-print different languages at all. This is America, and we are all Americans. English is the national language. You can't get anywhere successful unless you know English. Sure, speak your native tounges anywhere you want, but don't ask them to accomadate for our culture. We are the minority. To be successful, we need to be American! The greates mistake Rome made, causing the fall of the greatest nation, was accomadation. In the beginnings, people from many backgrounds, races, and cultures, lived in Rome, but they all were Roman. They took Roman morals and lifestyle as their own, while still keeping thier own. Once Rome started to make accomadations, so everyone was happy, (a people pleaser,) they disentegrated in morals and were owverpowered. We are Americans! Be American!
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Hrose, maybe your Cherokee-mix grandfather got along because he was acculturated and had no part of his Cherokee culture left to make him different. Rest assured that if he'd been culturally Cherokee, he'd have faced discrimination. The state of Georgia actually had laws prohibiting Indians from owning property clear up through the 1970's and would seize and auction off property of Indains who managed to inherit property from a white parent or had managed tobuy it without someone else catching wind of the transaction. My mother had to buy a special permit to travel in GA when taking us down to Six Flags back in 1969.

Alabama also had similar laws. Both states had sporadic enforcement, usually when someone decided that what the Indian had was worth taking.

I grew up speaking my language, fully participating in traditional culture, and even tho we never did our things around unegas, they knew we were traditional Cherokees and were most definitely not acculturated. Sure I speak English, and speak it better than most whites, but it is important that I speak my people's language first and foremost and that my children speak it as well. Language defines the thought processes of a culture and transmits the culture to the next generation. The culture shapes the character of the people, and the character of the people enables them to not only survive but to flourish. And yeah, I'm well aware that we are 1/2 of 1% of the population, but we are the fastest growing group. Cosidering that in 1900 there were less than 250,000 ndn's left in the US and we now number 2.5 million despite the forced sterilizations, removal of children, murders of our people, relocations, terminations, and other actions intended to make us disappear, I'd say the One Up Above is seeing to it we remain.

Racist? Yeah, I can be, and I will be the first to admit that it is often very difficult to tolerate white folks, even though part of my family is white. I've lived out west, too, in Nevada, Idaho, Montana, Utah, and been to Oregon, Washington state, Wyoming, and both Dakota's, as well as Arizona, California, and New Mexico, and I've seen how Natives are treated, even had the unpleasant experience of having some white person think I'm white because I'm light complected, treat me with courtesy and respect, even like me...until I tell them I'm Native. Then they react with responses ranging from dismay to outright hostility. The GOP is very anti-Indian, and has long backed abrogation of all treaties, termination of all tribes, and seizure of all remaining Native lands and resources. Equality? Give me a break!
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No offense, Humminrose, but it has been my experience as a Native woman growing up in the South in the 60's that I had to be twice as good as white folks at danged near everything just to be considered adequate. When we were given an IQ test at school in the 4th grade as part of some data gathering experiment, I apparently scored at about 168. The teacher told ny mother I must have cheated because no minority child , especially one from a broken home, could have done that well naturally. My brother, who as in the 3rd, also scored about the same. Keep in mind that we were the only minority kids in the school. No one else's scores were questioned, and no one else was made to take the stupid test again, in a locked room with 2 chaperones watching. We again scored at about the same, and all my teacher could say was I'd never amount to anything.

Every time I have dealt with whites, they have tried everyway till Sunday to see if they could cheat me or pay me less for my labor, artwork, or livestock than they'll willingly pay other whites. My work has been more closely scrutinized than that of white co-workers, and gotten more criticism-almost always over piddly stuff that no one else got noticed for. I've had employers, bosses, etc, ask any Natives if we were going out drinking after payday or warn us not to come in hung over on Monday, and I don't even drink. They didn't say the same crap to whites, even knowing that they were headed out to par-tay.

There has never been a level playing field for us, and whites aren't interested in being fair. Accomodation has never gotten any person of color anywhere except ground down further under the white man's boot heel. I REFUSE to go along with their notions of what's "fair" and "just", because I refuse to get screwed over just to avoid rocking the boat and disturbing their fragile egos. I wasn't raised to take a back seat to anyone except the Almighty, and white folks aren't anywhere near God no matter what they think.
Response from a white man: Consider this, if Attila the Hun or Ghenghis Khan had discovered the new world instead of Christopher Columbus, this would all be moot ! Any other conquering people including the noble red man would have conquered and killed or enslaved all ! Maybe you conveniently forgot about the Aztecs ! Lovely group of folks who butchered upwards of 32,000 souls annually, by cutting out their hearts while they were still alive ! Maybe you would have fared better had they had the ability to conquer you !
Time to get over it and move on with life. Everyone has been conquered. It isn't just a simple matter of white man conquers red man. Native tribes conquered each other. You act as if all Native tribes were buddies who got along until the white man came along. In reallity , had that been the case, whites could never have gained the foothold they did in the new world. Tribal warfare has existed since day one. Europeans fought each other. Europe wasn't a continent of happy white boys who all got along, and the same holds true for Native Americans !
The history of mankind is a history of warfare and conquest. Do you expect white people to feel bad because we won ? The fact that there are still Native Americans around to ***** about us shows we were a kinder & gentler conqueror.
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Wow, Hummingrose, here we are again in disagreement. As I read through your posts here and elsewhere I can see that you are like my mom. I love my mom, but...... we never agree. See here is the thing, too many Americans are Pete and Repeat, you know. Pete and Repeat were sitting on a fence Pete fell off and who was left? REPEAT. Have you ever read any articles by foreign papers to get a less monitered version of the current events? And since when has America been trying the "honey" approach? Even since the beginning of this interesting government that now runs this land, which was stolen from a whole race of people who now make up less than 2% of the population and are not sovereign, and are still discriminated against, and do not have their language written on informational brochures along with Spanish, Russian and Cambodian and whatever else languages because some of their languages have died out or are spoken fluently by 5 elders, ever since the beginning this nation has used the take what I want by whatever means I want to take it for the good of myself and a few of my most powerful friends, Vinegar method. So my advice is this: Read or listen to BBC, and other foreign news, study all sides of the story and then get back to us. Maybe you will still be Repeat, but I will alway's be Pete and I will alway's fall off the fence. As far as the Republican thing goes, I do not think that the Republican party can be trusted at all, regardless of whether the person in question is Native, Black, Woman, Gay, Asian, Green w/ Rainbow hair, the republican party has and alway's will use whatever means they can to get more Americans to take their side even if that means putting the wolf in sheeps clothing so to speak. GAURD YOUR MINDS BY INFORMING YOURSELF WITH ALL SIDES OF THE STORY. Since you seem to be a religous woman, what would have happened if King Solomon had only heard the story of one of the women who came to him with the baby argument and not the other? He would not have gone down in history as the wisest king of all. But, like my mom, I'm sure my arguments will fall on deaf ears.

From a White Man who stole your land.....How can they write your language on informational brochures ? You never had a written language ! By the way, that's one of the major criteria for status as a stone age society. Maybe we could include matches in the brochures and you could have smoke signals.
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From a White Man who stole your land.....How can they write your language on informational brochures ? You never had a written language ! By the way, that's one of the major criteria for status as a stone age society. Maybe we could include matches in the brochures and you could have smoke signals.

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Maybe if I wanted to be as mean spirited as you I could say, Hmm.. I hope your mom gets d and your dad gets ed and then you and your family get forced to walk to a new home you are forced to live in and then when your children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren are complaining about it, I will look at them and tell them what you told me. Get over it already. It happens to everyone. It's alway's happened that way, so don't be mad.

But, I'm not as mean as you.
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What are you talking about? It was a saterical comment. Also, I didn't write it. I left this browser up at work and a co-worker wrote it under my name... thanks for all the e-mails Greg!
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