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Old 03-26-2011, 12:17 AM   #61
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Between you, me, this board and the openness of the Internet?

I get the same (racist) feeling when a Native person indicates that they want their kids to "marry Native."

That's just ignorance and fear.
I'm not one to to eavesdrop, but... LOL

Zeke...why do you think a Native person would be a racist if they desired for their children to marry a Native person? Where do you see the ignorance and fear?

Are you saying you are a man's man and not showing ignorance and fear because you prefer a wide-bodied 747 white chick like the pic you posted earlier in the thread?

Is dating a non-Native your way of showing fearlessness of your race?

Just asking.
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I'm not one to to eavesdrop, but... LOL

Zeke...why do you think a Native person would be a racist if they desired for their children to marry a Native person? Where do you see the ignorance and fear?

Are you saying you are a man's man and not showing ignorance and fear because you prefer a wide-bodied 747 white chick like the pic you posted earlier in the thread?

Is dating a non-Native your way of showing fearlessness of your race?

Just asking.
Oh, you know I am open to discussion in all things: no worries!

Here's the deal, from my perspective...

I like what I like because I biologically like it. I have no big or evil subversive plans as such, it's just what I like and I cannot change it. Primarily, that's one of the reasons -- although I find the idea distasteful -- that I have no qualms with gay folks: it's the same standard. If I get to "like what I like," they do,too.

But yeah, I openly believe that a Native who desires their children to "marry a Native person" is a 100% race baiting zealot. (Just like a Korean, Black, Jew, White Power fool, etc., who believes the same thing.) Why?

1. It's ignorance to believe that, due to a specific racial makeup, said potential mate is to be preferred.
2. It's fearful to believe that a potential mate from any other race is, by definition, not as good.

I mean, come on, we all know that, right?

As for being a man's man -- if I am -- that really has nothing to do with what I prefer to date.

Again, I have no issues with questions...
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Oh, you know I am open to discussion in all things: no worries!

Here's the deal, from my perspective...

I like what I like because I biologically like it. I have no big or evil subversive plans as such, it's just what I like and I cannot change it. Primarily, that's one of the reasons -- although I find the idea distasteful -- that I have no qualms with gay folks: it's the same standard. If I get to "like what I like," they do,too.

I agree.

But yeah, I openly believe that a Native who desires their children to "marry a Native person" is a 100% race baiting zealot. (Just like a Korean, Black, Jew, White Power fool, etc., who believes the same thing.) Why?

1. It's ignorance to believe that, due to a specific racial makeup, said potential mate is to be preferred.

What if by previous bad relationship with another race, said person desires their offspring to date within their own. This removes ignorance.

2. It's fearful to believe that a potential mate from any other race is, by definition, not as good.

When it come to defining as 'not as good', then I agree. Kind of reminds me of the a local issue where an HOA wanted to kick out Muslim homeowners because they bought the house to be able to pray.

You, Zeke, are the anti-Hitler. LOL


I mean, come on, we all know that, right?

As for being a man's man -- if I am -- that really has nothing to do with what I prefer to date.

Again, I have no issues with questions...
I know we don't have issues.
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But yeah, I openly believe that a Native who desires their children to "marry a Native person" is a 100% race baiting zealot. (Just like a Korean, Black, Jew, White Power fool, etc., who believes the same thing.)
What if the issue isn't race, but culture/religion?

For me, the issue is moot, I don't have children. But if I did, I would raise them Jewish, and would really hope that my grandchildren would also be raised Jewish. Realistically, that pretty much means marrying another Jew. And, in the US, that means (with very few exceptions) White. My desire is race-neutral, but the outcome would be racial.

That doesn't mean I would "shun" my kids and grandkids if they chose differently, but a part of me would be disappointed.

I don't think I'm racist for thinking that way, but others might disagree. And that's cool, I've been called worse!

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What if the issue isn't race, but culture/religion?

For discussion sake, they would seem to all be linked.

It's easier to discuss race when you're not of the anglo persuassion. Non-anglos don't have issues in naming races. LOL
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For discussion sake, they would seem to all be linked.

It's easier to discuss race when you're not of the anglo persuassion. Non-anglos don't have issues in naming races. LOL
Ah, you responded while I was editing my post.

And, yes, I have to Tiptoe through the tulips of this type of discussion.
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Hey now, the "Sponsored Links" spambot put up an ad for "African Dating and Singles" Afrointroductions dot com just below this thread. The internet is watching our thread!
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Nobody hooks-up and says "Let's make halfbreed kids!" yet it has forced the U.S. Census to allow people to self-identify under more than one "category".

The Torah has a scene after the Exiles return from captivity in Babylon, the Israelites are forced to banish their "foreign" wives and children, not deemed to be part of their race/religion/culture. Sad scene indeed. (I offer this more as history, not pushing any form of religion here). This speaks of how they strived for ethnic/religious purity, so as to not "water-down" the overall society.
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The Torah has a scene after the Exiles return from captivity in Babylon, the Israelites are forced to banish their "foreign" wives and children, not deemed to be part of their race/religion/culture. Sad scene indeed. (I offer this more as history, not pushing any form of religion here). This speaks of how they strived for ethnic/religious purity, so as to not "water-down" the overall society.
And hasn't that worked out well?

Banishment...

This is one of the finer 90 second thoughts I've seen on the subject.
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In the end, I want my children to be as lucky as I am...to have a spouse that cares deeply for me and has my back 100%, regardless of color.
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ZEKE - Seems like there would be just one world religion by now, if only one could "work" for EVERYBODY...Hmmm...

Mtn Living - Great to have a nice spouse....the days go better, the marriage too!

YIKES! The computer bot just morphed the African Dating link into an Asian Dating link, did that really happen? What does it show you, Zeke? Blondes? LOL I'm logging off for sleep now.

Take care everyone!
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What if the issue isn't race, but culture/religion?

For me, the issue is moot, I don't have children. But if I did, I would raise them Jewish, and would really hope that my grandchildren would also be raised Jewish. Realistically, that pretty much means marrying another Jew. And, in the US, that means (with very few exceptions) White. My desire is race-neutral, but the outcome would be racial.

That doesn't mean I would "shun" my kids and grandkids if they chose differently, but a part of me would be disappointed.

I don't think I'm racist for thinking that way, but others might disagree. And that's cool, I've been called worse!

By Zeke's definition, you are!
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In the end, I want my children to be as lucky as I am...to have a spouse that cares deeply for me and has my back 100%, regardless of color.
Are you saying you and your husband are different colors, but same cultures?
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What if the issue isn't race, but culture/religion?

For me, the issue is moot, I don't have children. But if I did, I would raise them Jewish, and would really hope that my grandchildren would also be raised Jewish. Realistically, that pretty much means marrying another Jew. And, in the US, that means (with very few exceptions) White. My desire is race-neutral, but the outcome would be racial.

That doesn't mean I would "shun" my kids and grandkids if they chose differently, but a part of me would be disappointed.

I don't think I'm racist for thinking that way, but others might disagree. And that's cool, I've been called worse!
Here's an article on "racial" diversity of people that self-identify as Jews:

Be'chol Lashon: Population: How Many Jews Are in the World Today?: Counting Jews of Color in the U.S.

It's been a while since I went to a Jewish wedding, I love the music and dancing!
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Hey, I was buying some beer at a store here in NJ and there was a "cougar-ish" cashier who served me as I paid for it. She looks at me and says "Are you native american?" or something like that. I says "Yeah.".

She says "I have a "thing" for native americans. I know it's a "nasty" thing to say but I do.". I just laughed.

She wasn't drop dead gorgeous or I would've asked her what time she got off work. I think it was about closing time anyway.

Her co-worker served me last time and she was pretty sharp looking- blonde. petitte with a pretty face. If she says something similar I'm jumping all over it.

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That's cool. No worries. We all have opinions!

I might add, though, that I would have no issues if my child brought home, for example, an Ethiopian Jew/Falashi as a spouse. The issue for me is religion, not race.

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Here's an article on "racial" diversity of people that self-identify as Jews:

Be'chol Lashon: Population: How Many Jews Are in the World Today?: Counting Jews of Color in the U.S.

It's been a while since I went to a Jewish wedding, I love the music and dancing!
Thanks, AmigoK! Very interesting. I'll have to check out their website more.
I do quibble a little with their definition of "diverse" Jews; I think their definitions are a little broad.
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Kinda off the subject isn't it?
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Not necessarily. Substitute Jew/Jewish with the name of any Native American/First Nations tribal group. The issues are the same, and the points just as valid. Only the ethnicity is different.
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