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Old 11-03-2004, 11:28 PM   #1
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Indians As Thieves - The Schwarzenegger Schtick

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Indians As Thieves -

Arnold Schwarzenegger is in his favorite role as terminator when it comes to
American Indians. His recent use of language in his attack on the California
tribes, with which he is charged to negotiate in good faith, is tantamount to
bigotry. A governor should not approach any of his constituencies with such
vulgar disdain for public manners, with a use of careless (or perhaps intended)
language that demeans a whole people and ethnicity.

For instance, a governor or any public figure, should refrain from calling a
whole people thieves as in, ''the Indians are ripping us off.'' Said
Schwarzenegger on Oct.14: ''The Indians are ripping us off. We want them to negotiate
and pay their fair share.'' Rip-off in our dictionary is synonymous with
''thieving'' as in, ''the Indians are stealing from us,'' to paraphrase the governor
of California. Schwarzenegger's chosen words hyped up a non-Indian audience
in San Diego, not far from where a couple of small, courageous tribes have
challenged Californians to support a more equitable approach to the state
''taxation'' of tribal income from gaming enterprises.

This kind of inappropriate speech by a governor is just not acceptable in

American public life, unless of course, you are attacking the smallest and most
downtrodden culture of people in the state. Perhaps the mainstream media may
not be alarmed by such negative racialist suggestions, we certainly are. Arnold,
whose own ethnic and family origins must be examined for clues of character
and value formation, should be much more careful. He is certainly the darling
of the celebrity-mad crowd in national media life, but the blunt hostility
behind the toothy smile of the terminator betrays a nasty anti-Indian streak that
borders on the extreme.

The so-called ''rip-off'' Schwarzenegger rails against is Proposition 70, the
initiative launched by the Agua Caliente Band of Cahuilla Indians in Palm
Springs and the San Manuel Band of Mission Indians in San Bernardino, and which
cleverly posits that Indian tribal enterprises, all things being equal, should
share with the state of California approximately the same percentage of tax
paid by other corporations (currently 8.84 percent). It would invoke this basis
for tribal compacts with California and lock this arrangement in for the long
term. What could be more fair than that? Well, that precisely is the problem.

Schwarzenegger is livid about this simple yet very intelligently-positioned
proposition because it makes obvious the unfairness of his constant claim that
Indians are ''not paying their fair share.'' Or worse yet, as his mounting
attacks are mouthing: ''The Indians are ripping us off.'' Schwarzenegger is
intent on taxing Indians higher than corporations doing business in the state while
simultaneously portraying them to California voters as cheats and liars. In
this respect, Schwarzenegger has adopted this most unsavory American tradition,
one with which Indians are more than familiar. Blame the Indians for their
inherent rights of existence while laying claim to everything they own,
including their lands, their economies, even their lives.

California's history of genocide directed at its original peoples is truly
disturbing. Perhaps the Austrian immigrant turned bodybuilder turned movie star
turned politician might learn something from picking up a book or two on the
subject. If he did he might learn that some 73 million plus acres of ancestral
property has been stolen from California Indians. In 1769 the Native
population of California was estimated at 300,000. Between the years 1848 and 1868
alone some 100,000 Indians died in a horrific genocidal purge at the hands of
California settlers. Perhaps the ''governator'' could learn something from
documented stories about white settlers at Round Valley who formed ''hunting
parties'' that would routinely kill 50 to 60 Indians per trip. Such trips occurred up
to three times per week and lasted for five years according to accounts by
Dryden Laycock, one of the Round Valley settlers. (Suggestion: To learn more read
''A Little Matter of Genocide'', by Ward Churchill, which provides an excerpt
from a study of the extermination of the Indians of northern California, and
''Fair Share: An Historical Sketch of the Native Peoples of California'', by
Steven Newcomb in Native Americas, Winter 2003).

Of course none of this dissuaded the governor from bending language to suit
his insult. He went on to call California's 104 federally recognized tribes,
the original self-governing peoples and societies of the land, ''powerful
special interests.'' He adds: ''They pay off the Congress. They make billions, and
they don't pay their fair share.'' Defeating Proposition 70 is Schwarzenegger's
number one priority this election. ''It is tremendous greed,'' Schwarzenegger
told columnist George Skelton. ''They want to rip off the people ... Pull the
wool over people's eyes.''

Schwarzenegger misleads by arguing against the tribal proposition (70) in the
same breath as against a non-Indian proposition (68) that would have expanded
locales for gaming (30,000 slot machines at five racetracks; 11 card rooms in
Los Angeles and other towns). Proposition 68 proponents have now stopped
activity on their bid, but Schwarzenegger attacks the Indian prop with the same
argument. ''They would allow casinos to spread like wildfire everywhere in
California, including our cities and towns,'' he assails. He wants to, he says,
''terminate'' Proposition 70 - which he calls ''a jackpot for special interests
and a bust for California.'' The governor of California appears oblivious what
a loaded term ''termination'' is for Indian country. Perhaps the terminator
governor is aptly named for his fight of preference, beating up on Indian tribes
just now recovering from 150 years of outright genocide and wanton theft of
lands and resources. The ''special interests'' refers to Indians. We know what
''termination'' means.

Consider again the words: ''The Indians are ripping us off.'' We would ask
Schwarzenegger: Just who is the ''us'' in his assertion. Are not the 104 tribes
of California, half of which are in active economic recovery via gaming and
other enterprises, as much the constituency of a California governor as any
other entity within his state? More brazenly: When you say ''Indians,'' are you
not damning all people of that race or ethnicity into your assertion that they
are ''rip-offs.'' Precisely about which Indians is the governor referring? This
is at best careless use of language; at worst, an intended slur, meant to
caricature an ethnic group. It would represent a simple insult, to be cleared
with an apology, except, regrettably, it seems to represent a deep-seated
position of hostility and an assumption of ownership over Indian assets that the
governor should deeply re-examine.

If the tribes don't watch it, the anti-Indian movement will gain a powerful
national spokesman in Arnold Schwarzenegger; conversely, if he does not
reconsider his approach, Schwarzenegger will cultivate an anti-Indian image that will
not enhance his reputation. The terminator governor, with his
larger-than-life superstar status, is trying too hard to get away with borderline and
outright prejudicial statements and is pressing a very antagonistic approach to
tribal peoples. Words from public officials carry consequences that often impel the
public toward belief and action. And we take the governor at his word.
Although he grew up in a home in which his father, Gustav Schwarzenegger, was a
member of the Sturmabteilung, or SA, better known as Nazi storm troopers, we
believe him when he says he does not share the hatred that spewed forth from that
evil movement, a hatred that lay the ills of Germany, real or perceived,
largely at the feet of the Jewish people. But are American Indians now the root or
cause of California's financial ills? Hardly.

The tribal peoples of California, however, could just as well be of one of
the governor's partnership constituencies. Instead of browbeating and insulting
the Native nations of California, why not work more closely with the new
Native powerhouses, by approaching them respectfully as: 1) local and regional job
creation rotors; 2) economic development zones that stimulate capital flow.
Why attempt to gouge the tribes for more than what is fair by forcing them to
forfeit twice or more than is demanded of corporations in the state? The tribes,
after all, must cover a range of governmental responsibilities including
health, social and educational services for their members. Regular California
businesses have no such obligations.

These days, however, if you insult a particular race or ethnic group, and the
particular group complains, they stand accused of playing ''the race card.''
Never mind how craven the insult, the focus becomes how the offended reacts
and not the reality of the complaint. Proposition 70, in fact, is in an uphill
battle, considering its virulent enemies, but its premise needs continued
exploration and support. Just why Indian enterprises, particularly given their
responsibility for many governmental services, should pay to the state double or
more what other business corporations pay, is not at all clear. Different
tribes and tribal coalitions will approach their compact negotiations differently.
A variety of strategies will emerge. Outcomes will be diverse. But one thing
is highly dangerous: Ethnic insult, based in bigotry. This is intolerable.
Schwarzenegger, of all people, should know better.
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I never liked that man.. never did and never will!!! I don't know how in the hell he got to be governor in the first place!!!!
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That man is just one big dummy head.
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I never liked that man.. never did and never will!!! I don't know how in the hell he got to be governor in the first place!!!!
LW, If I recall, the candidates were somewhat bizarre...like the last (in the process of being recalled) governor, a porn star, Gary Coleman (what you talkin bout Willis?) etc...,
Maybe the porn star should have won, since she's the only true pro..and if your going to get screwed, at least she's experienced! Thought her campaign slogan was 'just a workin girl' not sure, tho!
In any case, there weren't TOO many viable candidates (hmmm this is gettin to be a damned trend!)
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He sounds like a bigot, racist low life wearing an elegant suit. And besides he's a movie star, what more could be said!
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Arnold is a complete idiot! Look at his family background because he come's from a whole long line of nazi's and he is no better than his ancestor's. He said he would never be like how they are I say Tah!He definitely is.
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He sounds like a bigot, racist low life wearing an elegant suit. And besides he's a movie star, what more could be said!

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I live here in Cali and I made damn sure I did not vote for that idiot. Unfortunately, I think a lot of voters were stuck on his celebrity status and voted for him. Have you ever seen those car stickers that have the little boy pissing on something? Well, my friend has a sticker right under her "Cahuilla Indian" sticker that has a little ndn boy pissing on the good old gubernator's name!
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There's no need to worry about Arnold Schwarzenegger because of his heart problem from all of those steroids. A couple of years ago he had a heart procedure and believe me, it's all down hill for this man, lol.
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LW, If I recall, the candidates were somewhat bizarre...like the last (in the process of being recalled) governor, a porn star, Gary Coleman (what you talkin bout Willis?) etc...,
Maybe the porn star should have won, since she's the only true pro..and if your going to get screwed, at least she's experienced! Thought her campaign slogan was 'just a workin girl' not sure, tho!
In any case, there weren't TOO many viable candidates (hmmm this is gettin to be a damned trend!)
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No the third person was Larry Flynn, the founder of Hustler... Not a porn star, a pornographer LOL
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aren't tribal lands under the federal government? why should they have to pay anything to the state government? i know back home in nm, our tribes pay as much as 10%, 10% too much. as if we owe the government anything more than a good b***h slap.
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Consider again the words: ''The Indians are ripping us off.''

...This really pushes my buttons. The Governator wants California Tribes to get the state out of debt by making all gaming tribes pay 3x the taxes of regular corporations...Though it is true that a few tribes have prospered, it is not the norm. In my small tribe we have recieved $90 this year in revenue sharing....and I am being accused of ripping off the state?
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You got it Pokiehonkie.. but even the Haudenosaunee in NY are having this exact same thing going... but they passed the law that they are supposed to collect taxes from white folks buying from them and give them to the state... this is breaking treaty with us and we still keep telling the state of NY.,..they have no legal right to enforce this... so if the feds are'nt coming in and backing US up.. you think they will backup the Cali indians?
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Anyway, I still can't stand him and I'm glad I don't live in cali.. or I'd probably be in jail...lol
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Consider again the words: ''The Indians are ripping us off.''

...This really pushes my buttons. The Governator wants California Tribes to get the state out of debt by making all gaming tribes pay 3x the taxes of regular corporations...Though it is true that a few tribes have prospered, it is not the norm. In my small tribe we have recieved $90 this year in revenue sharing....and I am being accused of ripping off the state?

You are so right about that. Ahnold wants so desperately to be the man that fixed Cali's budget crisis that he will do almost anything to get it done. Right now the most obvious cash cow in Cali is Indian Casinos. If they were Black owned, or Mexican owned, or Jewish owned he would be doing the same thing.

I heard that his approval rating is sky high right now too. Is that true?
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No the third person was Larry Flynn, the founder of Hustler... Not a porn star, a pornographer LOL
BB, I forgot about him...and don't know much about porn stars..but I researched this (took LOTS of visits! J/K) and she was somebody named Mary Carey!....so she was on the ballot...
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Ahhh ok.. I had'nt heard of her... wonder if she worked for Larry Flynn.. ROFLMAO
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Yeah kneegrow his appoval rating is around 65%...He might have done the same thing if it was a different culture that had casinos but do you think he would have gotten away with "The Jewish People are ripping us off"...no freakin' way!
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Ahhh ok.. I had'nt heard of her... wonder if she worked for Larry Flynn.. ROFLMAO
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I told you that Alaska wouldn't afford you the opportunity to be worldly, lol. Mary Carey received as much news as Gary Coleman, Larry Flynt and Angelynne.
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Does anyone know about the law Arnold is trying to past that keeps people who are born out of the United States from running for President? I heard a little on the news and that was it it did not go into to much detail. I think he wanted the laws changed so he could run for President in the future. (From what I'm reading on the Threads I hope it does not happen.)
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