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Old 12-04-2009, 02:48 PM   #1
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Iraq and Afghanistan: Warriors and Soldiers.

Revised: after President Obama's War Plans.


This is interesting!! ( and True? ), something to think about.



1. The 'Garden of Eden' was in Iraq.

2. Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq, was the cradle of civilization!

3. Noah built the ark in Iraq.

4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq

5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq!

6. Isaac's wife Rebekah is from Nahor, which is in Iraq!

7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq.

8. Jonah preached in Nineveh - which is in Iraq.

9. Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the ten tribes of Israel.

10. Amos cried out in Iraq!

11. Babylon, which is in Iraq, destroyed Jerusalem.

12. Daniel was in the lion's den in Iraq!

13. The three Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq (Jesus had been in Iraq also as the fourth person in the Fiery Furnace!)

14. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw the "writing on the wall" in Iraq.

15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into Iraq.

16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq.

17. The wise men were from Iraq.

18. Peter preached in Iraq.

19. The "Empire of Man" described in Revelation is called Babylon, which was a city in Iraq!

And you have probably seen this one: Israel is the nation most often mentioned in the Bible. But do you know which nation is second? It is Iraq! However, that is not the name that is used in the Bible. The names used in the Bible are Babylon, Land of Shinar, and Mesopotamia .
The word Mesopotamia means between the two rivers, more exactly between the Tigris
and Euphrates Rivers. The name Iraq, means country with deep roots.

Indeed Iraq is a country with deep roots and is a very significant country in the Bible.

No other nation, except Israel, has more history and prophecy associated with it than Iraq.


And also, This is something to think about: Since America is typically represented by an eagle.
Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages...

The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible)........

"Koran (9:11 ) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah;
and there was peace."
(Note the verse number! ( 9:11 ) Hmmmmmmm?!



For our men and women, warriors and soldiers, fighting and dying in Iraq - the 'Garden of Eden' in the Judeo - Christian Bible . . . .
and, In Afghanistan; From where enemies planed & made their holy attack against us here on American Soil.

....
Attacked from their Holy Lands, to the home Land of our Sacred Eagles' Nation's.

The spirits of our Native Ancestors in Native peoples, have been fighting, defending and protecting family, culture and these sacred lands since 1492 and on into Iraq and Afghanistan.



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Old 12-04-2009, 04:28 PM   #2
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Old 12-09-2009, 03:30 PM   #3
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This is just all, one mans thoughts, , , ,


"and the Eagle shall Roar", , , 'Roar', is that like the sound of an Eagles scream?, an Eagle Bones Whistle?, or is the 'Roar' the sound of a totally different Eagle then what we know and hear here in the USA?, Natives Sacred Eagle.
I can't imagine the sound of an Eagles 'Roar' .

Jesus the Son of 'God'?. ( " 'God' Bless the USA" ).

Just a thought here, , , , on St. Thomas.

it's said, , St. Thomas said, , , "Jesus" said, , , , "The Kingdom of Heaven is inside you and All Around you, man cannot see it".

In a History video, I heard a Eastern Native Historian talk of the Native Cathedral,
He said, , , , " The Natives Cathedral is, , , , The Sky is our roof and the Ground is our floor", , , , everything in between benifits & sustains us. (?).

Is that like saying "God" is and has always been here with us?, and that we just can't see the spirit?.
if so, then that means we've been looking to far away and to High up?.

I only know, our Creator gave us all each one spirit, Women, men & all creatures, , , the rest is all man made, man's ideas of what God thinks, what God means and what God said. ( remember our Ancestors were all apart of this too ).

I'm trying to understand the spirit, spirits and spirituality. ( Ancestors ).

This was just a friendly thought after seeing the "New Discoveries" their making on Jesus, and others Messiahs before Jesus, the Jewish people had made predictions of many Messiahs throughout their long struggles to survive.

Even the Mormons once thought Native peoples here in America were the Bad "Lamenites", Jews that came to America after 410 AD and forgot their own History.
at least until the Mormons found these Golden Tablets to tell the Natives who they really are, or, were. (I'm not sure if the Mormons still believe this today, but it's all on the Internet.).

anyways, back to the 'spirit' : )


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Old 12-09-2009, 04:47 PM   #4
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"and the Eagle shall Roar"
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Peoples' of the Eagle, The peoples War Cries,

War Cries from the People of the Eagle.

( my guess ).
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unless it's a mythical Eagle of Bible times, Romans from Rome, Italy recognized themselves, presented themselves under the symbol of an Eagle.
they say the Koran was written in 610 AD, during the crusades, Romans fell in 410 AD, Maybe some of the stories are from earlier years in their past. (?)



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Old 12-10-2009, 03:13 PM   #5
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You are so phucking wrong it is disgusting.

The Ninth Chapter, verse 11 of Al'Qu'ran says nothing about eagles or anything to that nature.... at all... .that quote is complete FICTION

Verse 11 of Book Nine talks about how people from other religions can be considered "brothers" to Muslims... basically that they 1.) Don't Fight Muslims, 2.) Offer Prayers and 3.) Offer charity.

In fact, this is a verse that often times is overlooked by Radical Muslims who want to attack people who have never done anything to them ... but it is PARTIALLY quoted by Radical Muslims when they want to attack someone who has violated the "don't fight muslims" part.


This bullshyt about Eagles and such is total crap.
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Old 12-10-2009, 04:45 PM   #6
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IInusoldier; your so wrong it is disgusting.!!!
read below, check the internet.
all the Information is there, there's more but I only posted afew from the top of the list.

as I asked before in the very first post, , , , "is it true?".

you yourself said the quote is used for War.

How the hell would I know, I'm a Native man looking at all the information being made available, asking other's if it's all true : )


From NativetoIndian.
(P/s, you said, , , "your so wrong it is disgusting", , That sound like something someone should have to Columbus in 1492 when Columbus swore and made his men swear that He had found the East Indies of India in Hispanola, Cuba, and we all became Indians : )

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As you can clearly see, In the very first post, I did ask if ANY of it was "true?".









I'm Native, I never read the Muslim bible, but I do know some of it's History,



As you said yourself, warring Muslim’s use the quote for War against their own, . (9:11)



My Ancestors and I were brought up Christians, Anyone not believing in the Christian Bible, it was like, “well, awh hopes for you”, , , , “better safe then sorry” is what I was told when I asked about it.

I have the ‘James Earl Jones reads the Bible’ tapes, the four Gospels of Christianity.






As I said, I'm a "Native" person, posting on a Native issues site, looking for some feedback, inputs, 'sharing' from other Native peoples who may understand some of these confusing times were all in together,

Native peoples, Peoples of the Eagle, are in this war too.

Pow-wows Honor War Hero's, Fallen Warriors / Soldiers, Native peoples stand under the Flag at All times.



I don't know much of anything about Muslims quotes other then what other people say about them on the History Channel and on other News stations on the War,

( The Children of Abraham, Muhammad in Mecca in 610 AD, The Crusades- Holy Warriors, Knights Templers, Kings from Babylon to Iraq, to name a few, and much more from the Christian stories.)



I posted the information here because of the “Garden of Eden” in Iraq, How am I suppose to know if the story of the Garden of Eden in Iraq is true or not?, that goes for any of the other information on it, but it did talk of the War in Iraq & Afghanistan, because of 9/11,

And because of President Obama's War plans for the Warring Muslims Holy attack on and against the United States and citizens of her Allies on 9:11.



I did ask if it was “True?”, but you probably missed that part.

I didn’t write nor add anything to it,

Except for the very bottom, the Books talk of the Holy Lands, Native peoples call these Lands, Sacred Lands, attacked from the Holy Lands.





As you may have seen, I also said, "I never heard an Eagles Roar".





Here’s something’s I do know: personal findings & thoughts.


Here's something’s I do know about Judaism, Christianity and Islam; from a Native's Perspective: when you see a post from me, it’s always from a ‘Natives Perspective’.





Angel Gabriel:



Angel Gabriel visited Abraham, the Father of Judaism 2091 BC – 1600 BC?.

Angel Gabriel is said by some Jews, to have been one of the three angels that visited Sarah,

Mother of Isaac and Ishmael,

Some Jews believe Angel Gabriel visited Abraham again and told him to sacrifice Isaac,

Some Muslims believe it was Ishmael that was to be sacrificed.

Abraham, the father of the two Nations, Judaism and Islam, Isaac and Ishmael.

I think Islam / Muslims believe Ishmael was the son of Sarah conceived by “God”?.


Angel Gabriel visited Mary, Mother of Jesus,

( just as Angel Gabriel visited Sarah, mother of Ishmael ).

Mary, Mother of Jesus, who became the Christ / Savior / Messiah for Christianity.

If the “New” Information on King Herod is correct, King Herod’s reign was from 40 BC to 4 BC.

King Herod is known for the “Slaughter of the innocence”, when Jesus was supposedly born, that would be before ‘4 BC’. Making us four years off because “the Year of our lord” was to begin on the year Jesus was born.

( the year 2009 AD, would really be 2005 AD : )


Angel Gabriel also visited Muhammad in Mecca. In 610 AD?.

During the Crusades, Muslims took Jerusalem and built their Holy “Dome of the Rock” on the Jew’s and Christians Holiest site, and claiming it for their own.



Angel Gabriel has been active between 2091 – 1600 BC to 610 AD, in all three major religions.

Angel Gabriel could explain the exact meaning of the Koran’s / Qurans 9:11 quote and bring Peace and Joy back to the Holy Lands. ( ? ).

Other then the 9:11 War / Non-War quote, all the other information was ok?.

(I had an Uncle named “Gabriel” : )



The Jewish People are waiting for Elijah?,
the Christians are waiting for the second coming of Jesus,?, but some Christians say Jesus won't return until the ‘New’ Jewish Temple is rebuilt, but, that can't happen because the Muslims built their Holy Dome of the Rock there, On the exact same site where this New Jewish and Christian Temple is to be rebuilt for the returning prophets.

I was watching the History channel’s segment on the ‘Book of Revelations’, this Christian man said, “ We need to rebuild the Holy Temple, Jesus wants to come back.”.





All Three Religions; One Holy site. In the past, Wars have been fought because of this.




I do know the 'Radical' Muslims called this War a Holy War and in the beginning of this War, I saw on the History channel where they said Former President Bush jr. called the return attacks in Iraq (&, Afghanistan?) "Crusades".

In the past the Crusades were Christian Crusades, Holy Warriors & their Wars were also called Holy Wars.

The Crusades, Holy Warriors 1095 AD – 1200 AD, and the Knight Templers, until, Friday the 13th, 1307 AD.





One other thing I know for a fact, and Is True, is that, The Warring Muslims are now hearing the War Cries from what is now called "America's Eagle".
The Warring Muslims have indeed awoken “A Real Fearsome Eagle”. And it’s Allies.







In 1492, Columbus said he found the 'Garden of Eden', ( in Hispaniola, Cuba, the Bahamas’.)


In 1801, In the Lewis and Clark expedition dairies, they called the Great Plains, “The Garden of Eden”.

Now, Historians are telling us the Garden of Eden is in Iraq.

All this time they’ve been looking for the ‘Garden of Eden’, and it’s there, in Iraq.

Paradise, God’s Garden, the Holy site of the Birth of Man. Biblically.







Happy Holidays.





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Well.. I'm a native man asking you to please look this stuff up before you become one more spreader of false-information.
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I only know you missed 'my only question', My main detail.
then, you came off at me as if I wrote the whole thing,
I copied and returned your exact words in my reply and I was 'Cencored' : ) but you weren't : ) ha ha. That’s funny.

You don't know me and I don't know you, so, as a Native Man to another Native Man, I ask you, in the future, to please read and carefully understand my words before responding negatively towards me,
especially seeing I can't respond in the same way, using your same words you used towards me without being cencored,
otherwise, it becomes a one-sided insult.
Native Men 'talking' to Native Men should not have to be using insulting words anyways.


You said yourself, Warring Muslums use the 9/11 quote for warring against their own.
just in different ideas of the same words.
either way, check out the info on the Holy Temple, below.

Holy Temple:
I also know, looking at all the "Reasons" the Jewish people wanting to rebuild their Holy Temple and the Christians reasons for their wanting to rebuild the Holy Temple, and; knowing the 'Dome of the Rock' is right where the Holy Temple needs to be rebuilt,
Is far worse and will cause far worse problems in the future then one single verse in the Koran / Quran Bible. ( 9/11 ).
( Holy Temples, Holy Sites, Prayers and War , , , , History may very well repeat itself. ).

in the segment " The Last Christians of Jursalem " They built Walls in the Holy Land, Miles of Walls because of suicide bombers.


I heard one Native commedian on TV say, , "The funniest thing I ever saw was watching Indians watching Indians on Tv".
I thought, , The funniest thing I ever saw was watching "two Natives getting angry at one another while talking about Christianity and the Bible" ( and now, the Koran / Quran Bible : )


Maybe you've heard of the Angel Gabriel Tablet / Stone?,
I saw on TV, they found an old stone they say Angel Gabriel told the story of a Messiah before Jesus, his name was Simon.
but they can't agree on one four letter word,
On the Angel Gabriel stone it says, of Simon, " In Three Days _ _ _ _". some 'think' "Live", and maybe, 'rise'.
One four letter word, threathened the whole Christian nation.


It's all new and interesting Information to me, from a native's perspective.


Happy Holidays............



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Fact Check

"For our men and women, warriors and soldiers, fighting and dying in Iraq - the 'Garden of Eden' in the Judeo - Christian Bible . . . .
and, In Afghanistan; From where enemies planed & made their holy attack against us here on American Soil."

The 9/11 attacks were actually planned in Germany with operatives in Boston. This is not widely known but it is the factual truth. Much of the "intelligence" used to support the war in Iraq is just simply not true. There was not one single Iraqi on any of the planes that crashed into the Towers and the Pentagon and as the facts have been discovered, we see that much of the "intelligence" was just plane made up.
Much of what you point out here is true and I do side with our brothers and sisters fighting in foreign lands to protect our homeland. And I ask the decision makers to look at the big picture. Our enemies have no homeland. They move around at will and plan their attacks all over the world. So I question the logic of zeroing in on any one country and sending thousands of troops to fight one unwinnable war after another. If we keep on this path we will be in Yemen next, creating more enemies and where will it end?

Respectfully submitted
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yellowthunders moma; Thank you kindly for sharing your 'Fact Check' and thoughts with me.

yes, I did caught up in President Obamas speech of being Attacked from Afghanistan, didn't I. Truthfully, I don't know where the Attacks came from, where the Attack was planned from, but now I do, Thank you, ( Gremany too? Zeee, Holy Cow them guys).

Yes, at first they said it was Iraq, so the troops were sent to Iraq, and Afghanistan, , today, ( I saw on the TV ) their focussing in on Afghanistan, as well as in the mountains of Pakistan.(?).


In the movie "W", former President Bush jr. said he spoke to God and that God wanted him to be President. (maybe that had something to do with all the information on Iraq?. maybe not, but I always wondered about that.)

after the 911 Attack, Eastern Historians quoted Former President Bush jr. as calling the retelliations for the attacks 'Crusades',

the Crusades were called Holy Wars.


When it comes Wars and Holy Wars, I only know what I see on the news and what I can read on the net, , and what others, including you, share with others, but you are right, "Intelligence" put the troops where they are today, just as past Intelligence put troops in Wars and in Unwinable wars in the past, and, , , , future?.


I guess with the right false information, some may call 'Intelligence', you can get people to believe in just about anything, go any where, ( and we see, sometimes it actually works : )


I myself, have not lost anyone in the twin towers on 911, but I saw the news that day and I still remember what I saw before the towers went down, I feel for those who were within the towers, I feel for those that Jumped from the towers that day, and for those lost in this War, We see their families hurt and in pain on TV everyday, Including the wounded.

I have a relative in this War, in the tanks department, and I know of a few others.



Maybe then, , , instead of zeroing in on certain countries, the best idea then is to zero in on the Attackers themselves, and their Allies, where ever they hide.

( Like the way the Jewish Intelligence sought out the attackers of the 1972 Olympics?, only, this too, will take us all back to relying on the only Intelligence they have today, we can only hope for the best.).

Personally, I hope they Capture or Kill all of those involved in the attacks against the United States on 911, , , , and those of Any ‘Future’ attacks.





As for 'Where will it all end', that's a very interesting question, Presicent Obama said they would start pulling troops in a few years,

but I do have a thought about your question, and seeing how long Holy Wars in the Holy Land have been used in the past, and are now being used here on and in the USA, , , , it doesn't look good.

Myself, I think it's all a personal dislike, but they like to use God to make themselves look and sound good, righteous, and as if to be fullfilling prophacies, God’s prophacies..



Regardless of when these Three Major Religions have all been created. . . .

All three Religions believe in one last final great War, or ‘Battle’ between Good and Evil, Light and Darkness.

All three Religions believe they are the 'Good', & the 'True' Religion of God.

All three Religions believe the other two religions were created by False prophets, ( and are 'evil' in the eyes of Man's God? ).

All three Religions foretell 'Good' will prevail over 'Evil', Light will consume Darkness.


So, I see no 'real' end, only the ends of one war at a time.
Yemen, , next huh?, Maybe then, it will never end, , , , in our time.



Historically, our own ancestors were once considered 'evil', , , Religiously,

and; we all know how that ended.



Happy Holidays,!!!!

Our Best.


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P/s; the quote “and the Eagle shall Roar”.

I saw a picture of a ‘Lion with Eagle Wings’, the picture of the ‘Lion with Eagle Wings’ that I saw comes from the ideas from the Book of Revelatiuons, which they say was written in 95 AD and built on since, creating, or is a part of, the Last Great Final War, or, Battle between Good and Evil.

I heard it say, some Jews believe Adam was created in Jerusalem.
that would make the findings of 'Two' Garden of Edens.
For the record, Truthfully, I have no Idea where the Garden of Eden really is neither : )
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I lost a relative in the Pentagon. So naturally I would want to know the truth about what happened. And I have to say that we didn’t get much truth just after 9/11 and we were all so pissed off a scared that we gave away our rights as citizens of this country – getting off my soap box now…
I am no conspiracy theorist. I just want the facts. And facts come from reputable, reliable news sources run by folks who bother to check their facts and follow ethical guidelines set forth for journalists. Facts do not usually come in the form of blogs or posts and we cannot expect everyone who is talking about their opinions and thoughts on-line to be held to those same ethical standards that should be expected from journalists. So too, we cannot quote blogs and posts as facts either. Posting on-line should be a dialog where people share ideas like we are doing now.
Here are a couple of articles you might find full of facts:
Death toll from Karachi bombing reaches 43 - South and Central Asia- msnbc.com
War in Context - Is Yemen the next Afghanistan?
The difference between MSNBC and Fox News is that Fox news is right leaning opinion journalism and they do not hold themselves to any kind of ethical standards such as reporting facts. MSNBC on the other hand has programming that is left leaning and opinion journalism but they do check their facts and they do hold themselves to the ethical standards set forth for journalists. We cannot always trust what we see on TV because the ethical standards for journalists are waning. My thoughts.
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"Death toll from Karachi bombing reaches 43 - South and Central Asia- msnbc"


"Malik on Monday pointed his finger at a cluster of militant groups, including the Pakistani Taliban, al-Qaida, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and Jaish-e-Mohammad, that he said have a joint goal to destabilize Pakistan."
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I am sorry to hear of your loss and for all the others losses during the 9/11 Attack.
I hope something like that is never allowed to happen here again.


In this first article, I was thinking, this is what was meant when they were referred to attacking and killing their own.
on Holy days.

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War in Context - Is Yemen the next Afghanistan?

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I read both articles, you gave me so much to think about, as there's so much of it there, War, Bombings, Killings, and Poverty.

Now I understand what you mean by them on the move all the time, and, if the article is true to it's mentioned facts, then I'm sure there will be a war in Yemen next, I believe the President said 'No Place' should be a safe heaven for them to plan attacks against others.

My small brain can't imagine a solution to end these wars, all these bombings there, or here,
I can't imagine a God that encourages other people to kill other people, for any reasons.
I can't even imagine an end to our own peoples poverty on our own reservations here in the United States, where Natives are Homeless within their own Homelands.

I do know, here, in America, we have some Distance on our side, Technology, and a more Tighter Security then other foreign countries,
Here, Security had recently help stop and capture some people from blowing up other places here in the United States. Hopefully they can continue to capture others, if there are others here still.

These people that they recently captured, were here to blow up the infidels,?, or, because the United States is after Ben Ladden?, or, because of the War?, the Oil?.
I last heard they had Al-Qaida connections. ( but I saw all this on the news too, CNN ).

They said these Bomb makers they recently captured here were 'planning' to blow something up, so, some of their Suicide Bombers, were already here in the United States too. ( making plans to blow something up).
I would hate to Inmagine what would have happened if they were not captured.

Maybe it's only a matter of time before they start blowing up our own supper markets here, King Soopers, IGA, Wallmart.
maybe Hotels, Football games or maybe even a big pow-wow, the way they are blowing up other places in other countries. , , , , (That’s really a sad thought, but they already brought their war here.).



Forgive my Ignorance and my Arrogance, but I once heard, someplace, historically, that, when it came to Religion, there is very little or no "Logic" at all, the ideas are sometimes beyond logic, and, when Religion is combined with War, there's no telling how far it can be taken.


I heard some of the tapes of the bombers that attacked the India's Hotel, the people of the India Hotel there were referred to as 'Infidels' too, and one of the Attackers quotes was, "God Willingly", or, "God Willing".


Theres just so much Killings going on over there, and has been for such a long time.
in reading the articals, and in understanding some of the history of it alittle more helps me realize I won't be seeing the end of these attacks any time soon.

but, I hope I don't see any more bombings here neither, nor, any 9/11 repeats in other cities.


they taught us, Never Forget Wounded Knee, nor, our Ancestors,
and now, We must Never Forget 9/11.

I only hope the Security here can do what they can to make sure there isn't another 9/11 here, by anyone, Foreign or Domestic.

How Can You Stop A War?. a Holy War?.
someone once said, , " The Real enemy in War, is 'War' itself." ?.

If 'Intelligence' started a War, can't 'Intelligence' stop a War?.


as for America's Tight Security, it's a good thing the Obama Party Crashers were just that, 'Party Crashers' : )


Happy Holidays,!!!!

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( if I missed something, you will have to point me in the right direction. sometimes I need a little push ).
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Thank you.
I too cannot conceive of a God that encourages people to kill.
The truth is pretty frightening when you really look at it. I hear soldier’s saying, “We have to fight them over here so we don’t have to fight them at home.” And you must excuse me for disagreeing because that policy hasn’t worked and it never will. The only thing that “fighting them over there” has done is strengthen the enemy. There position is that innocent Americans deserve to die because we are part of this big monster that goes around the world taking what we please and telling other governments how to run their countries. Our troops going into all of these countries only strengthens their position and their assertions. As American Indians, we know full well the anger created by occupation -by colonialism. So, how can we condone it? At the same time, this is our country and we were attacked and continue to be attacked and we have the right to defend ourselves. I don’t have all the answers but I do know that occupation is not the answer, it is the problem. It is creating more enemies who hate Americans. It creates more resentment. The only way we will win their hearts and minds it by getting out. So, we have to screen everyone who wants in to our country and we have to continue to profile extremists. We need to strengthen those systems already in place and put our resources into making those systems better.
As far as poverty and problems on and off the rez, I do not have all of those answers either. I do think that many tribes are on the right path when they put their resources into educating the people. My husband’s tribe has put a trust together for our son’s education and that is the right move – big time. Many very smart American Indians are out there as educators, lawyers, government employees and much more. They are using the system in place to fight for the rights and privileges we deserve as dual citizens of our tribes and the USA.
Gotta get back to work…
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yellowthunders mama; that is good news, you and your husband building an educational fund for your son, I hope it all works out, as they say, a mind is a terriable thing to waste : ) an Education is worth every cent.
( I just wish I knew all that when I was young and starting out in school ).

"occupation -by colonialism"

yes you are right about this, if we remember our Ancestors, we should also remember alittle of how our own ancestors felt about occupation -by colonialism, our whole History was created around it, that's how we got to become "Indians" : )

We all know the war is not only "over there", but it's already here too, it's been here, this year they captured three people with Al-Qaida connections, one was a soldier here and he killed his fellow soldiers here, while being in an American soldiers uniform.

it's like an Alien Invasion, ( people don't like it now and I'm sure our ancestors didn't like it back then neither)
These people were not coming here in Peace, nor for peace, even though they lived amoung us, they were waiting, I heard One of the Hijackers was having Garage sales here.

Myself, I don't have a son or a daughter in this war, nor have I lost a close relative in this war, as you and as so many other's have, I can't say one way or another if the troops should be there or not, my opinion doesn’t matter anyway.
I only know, they, the terrorist, Al-Qaida connections, were already here with their war trying to blow-up some innocent people here, but they were caught and captured. ( thanks to a chain of gifted people )

When these people, these terrorist, Al-Qaida, succeed in blowing people up, they say that’s the way god wanted it, 'god willing'.
but when they get caught, I wonder if they still think it was gods will to get caught?. god willing.

I know when good things happen, here in our American Homeland, we say God made this happen for me for a reason, or god made this happen for us for a reason.
but when bad things happen, we don't say, god wanted it this way for me, or this happened because this is the way god wanted it for us,
we usually end up blaming the devil for all the bad things that has happen to us,
( I think we are now beganning to hold ourselves accountable for the bad things that can, that could have, and that has already happened that could have been prevented?).
When these suicide bombers get caught, do they say, "we got caught because this is the way Ala wanted it for me?".

probably not because they don't give up any information.

'Poverty' used as reason for being a terrorist?, Wasn't Ben Ladden a rich man from a rich family in Jordan?, or someplace, I heard he wasn't a poor man. ( a rich man's war? ).

I once heard a good question, on tv, a movie on the story of Hitler's invasion during WWII,.
The Question: " Can a moral man maintian his morality in an Immoral world ? ".
(yes, I think our ancestors maintained, those that were allowed to live and those that surrived, they did what they had to do.)
In todays time, I hope the time never comes to where we are forced into having to ask ourselves this question here in our American Homelands.
but I'm sure, if need be, America and her American people will defend themselves, ourselves, our 'moralities', by any means nessessary.
I only hope America is prepaired for such an attack, prepaired to defend her tracks.


Personally, from my own personal thoughts, (I know my own thoughts matters very little if not at all : )
I invision a force like the Jewish people had after Munic 1972. ( search and destroy ).
even though I heard war creates more war that has lasted for generations.

Al-Qaida brought harm here to the United States, I don't think it would be a wise idea for the United States Troops and their Allies to just back out and leave Al-Qaida unpunished, ( the Untouchables? ) they, Al-Qaida, will surely harm others or they will be back to harm here again, should they, Al-Qaida, be left alone to harm others?. Al-Qaida will continue to do what it's always been doing, wheather American troops and their Allies are there or not....

Wheather the troops are there or waiting for them here, people's lives are at stake, including their own, but Troops already know what they signed up for, their all old enough to know and understand the history of 9/11, the history of the long line of harm that was brought to America during 9/11.
All we can do here is offer our support for our troops there, or, we can protest here to return our troops home too, either way, I believe we must support our troops.

Anything done for god, can be created to be done joyfully, joyful ideas of good things in the end when you do things for god.
in some cases, these suicide bombers believe they get many virgins when they get to the land / world of Ala in their next life.
( While others get to sit on thrones next to god, while watching the condamned burn.)


War, God and Religion and; Religion, God and War.
( It almost seems it's always been this way from the beganning -
god said to get rid of the pagans, & then god said to get rid of the infidels. ).

200 BCE, ( 2,200 years ago ), a new Jewish phrophcy, of a violent end of the world and new kingdom of god, ( here on Earth ).
In the story of the Asserian invasion, 721 BC, the Jewish historians say's the people believed all wars Fought down here on earth effected all the wars being fought in Heaven, the wars in Heaven between good and evil.
Revelations comes from The Book of Danial, but they say, before that, before Persuians became muslums,?, a person named Zorac told of a great war between good and evil and a last Judgement.
The story of Jesus riding on a white horse in revelations, written in 95 AD was said to have been built on from the book of Danial, and from the writtings of another man named John.

Each time, each of the writters believed, or, thought they were living in the end times, prepairing for a great war between good and evil, light and darkness.
( it's as if god enjoys war, and yet, throughout history, these wars have all been between 'men' of wars, men's ideas of gods views. an old Jewish idea of god's war's during Joshua and the Walls of Jericho, , , , all kills were sacrifices to god.)

I like the statement made by former President Bush Jr., " They, Al-Qaida, have this mistaken idea that god rewards evil ".


I already said I can't imagine a god that encourages people to kill other people,
actually, I can't even imagine a god that can create a Universe, Other Worlds, Spirits and Alliens - 'UFO's'.
compare me to the universe, , and; as our Holiness, the Dalia Lama says, "I'm just a bug".

Spiritually, I'm still trying to understand our own spirits, our spirits connects us all to eachother and to god, our creator?.
understanding my own spirit amoung spirits, might help me understand a little more of god.

and that's as far as I got in my own understandings and beliefs : ) that's as far as I got in understanding myself : )

I can only support our troops because I know soldiers are fighting and dying "over there" so I can take the time to think and share my own thoughts of god, here, safely.
Troops are "Over there" fighting against those who think they are doing gods work, or doing work for god, only so they can be rewarded by god, the rewarding part sounds selfish, but rewards are in every religion.
All I really saw is that, this war, and past wars, have all been only because of the ideas and actions of other men full of hate and anger for others.
Here, in America, they say, that's not an excuse to kill or harm other people, we are told to work it out, Deal with it, until it's to late.
but I guess a religious hate is like no other hate, men with a pasion for the hate of others, hate of life or existance, easily kills.
and this is what the Troops and their Allies are up against over there, and here too?.

I wish only the best for our troops and their allies over there, over here, doing what needs to be done, doing what has to be done, putting themselves in harms way to keep people here safe, and maybe to help keep other peoples safe too, people in places like yemen.

and if the actions and the presence of the troops there creates more enemies for the United States, here, in the future, , , ,
I hope America here, is prepaired to defend her tracks left there, otherwise, people here, will end up paying for it with their lives.

Holy Wars don't always seem to have an end unless one side is fully or mostly wiped out or converted, but only until the next Holy War, the next generations war.

( I always thought, from an assimilated natives perspective, Our own Ancestors met the 'Four Horsemen' of the American Appcolypse, ''Gen. Custer, Gen. Crook, Gen. Sherman and Gen. Sharidan''. ).

So, looking further back at the history of war, with god involved, it may never end, , or, , It will never end until one side is distroyed and I do believe I'm standing on the 'undistroyed' side.

I too wish for a quick and safe end to this war too. ( Men Willingly )


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P/s, another suicide bomber just bombed a CIA base in Afghanistan, killing 8 Americans.
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My mother was the first one in her family to go to college. Growing up in Louisiana in the 1950’s she never thought she would have that opportunity. Few women of any color had the opportunity to go to college back then. But my mother is a genius so she got to go. There was a 25% quota for women in her college. Much has changed and much has not. I was fortunate to get a college education and even a Masters Degree. I learned that it is not only that you get an education but where you get it. So, we are preparing our son for an Ivey league education so he will have every opportunity we didn’t have. The tribe is ensuring that he will have the money when he needs it.

I found out last night that those 8 Americans that just got killed were CIA. There is so much more going on behind the scenes that we have no idea. Our military has been sending drones into Pakistan and Yemen for some time so there is already a lot of military activity all around the world that we rarely have any knowledge of it.
I support our troops too. They have a job to do and they are doing it. If I was kidnapped by those terrorists, I would know that our guys and gals were going to get me out, whatever it took because they are committed professionals and I am an American. We sing songs for our vets and they deserve the honor they receive. They fight for our rights to question our government’s policies. It is out of respect for them that I question the policies that put them into harms way.

I am not the type of person to serve in the military but I found a way to serve my country through federal service. I got a government job. The application process was not easy but I was determined so I figured it out. I am just a peon but feel fortunate to have the position I have been awarded. If anyone needs help applying for a federal job, I am happy to help. The more of us that work in the government, the more presence we have and the more our issues and concerns will be addressed.

These forums are not always a safe place to put your views and ideas out there but it should be. We need to have more civil dialogue on these forums. We need to afford others the opportunity to say what’s on their mind without being attacked. Teasing is ok but sometimes the cynicism and mockery goes too far. I am enjoying our respectful exchange of ideas. Thank you.
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Here is another article about what is currently going on in Yemen:

Yemeni forces storm al-Qaida hide-out, arrest 1 - Forbes.com
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yellowthunders mama; It's been a pleasure conversing with you, learning more from you, your veiws, and from the articles you shared, and I also thank you for all the time you shared.

yes, I guess it does matter where one receive's ones education, and I see your all looking forward to seeing this through, your both such good parents and a strong tribe standing behind you looking out for the young minds of the tribe, that's 'Tribal'.

I think it's something our tribe, all tribes, should be doing for their students and young minds of thier tribe,
I will say, it might help eliminate some of the corruption our people have been living through, lately, for years.

I've been thinking about tribal help, education, fundings / support, the war and the Veterans,
under the idea of being able to freely think or to freely speak your mind without being beatin', or riddiculed.

I am in now way close to any of your achievements, or your families achievements, my education stoped at the GED, community college.
I'm a man of no standings in my own tribe, but our family have been called one of the last traditional families of our reservation,
we have our own family drum group, we sang for all the veterans and sang songs that made the people dance, as did our Grandfather when he returned from WW1.
not any more, our older folks are all gone now, I'm one of the remaining oldest of the families group, with very little if no standings in our tribe, nor family, just a man that knows a few songs. ( I have older brother and older cousins, but, their quietly watching and waiting,).

In the education department, we lost our community college, &, for the first time in years - our tribal high school was just recently insurred, our tribe has no community library and now homeless tribal members, ( just now being noticed) and I guess our tribe, along with other tribes, has recently asked the Federal Government for some kind of fundings help.

I do have ideas as to why our tribe fell so far into debt and hardships, I saw the tribal protest's, and all the other non-tribal activities taken place after protest's or meetings on Tribal Issues. And then the War enlarged.

everything became about the Veterans, I noticed our tribe Honored the veterans at the beginning of every pow-wow and at the end of every pow-wow, which is where I saw we stand under the flag at all times,

I started wondering where our veterans stood in all the tribal corruptions taking place on our reservation, If the people questioned the corruption, shouldn't the veterans be standing behind the people?, are they not the peoples warriors too?, or just the Gov't's warriors?, in all, they are still tribal members too.
I asked why we haven't seen them supporting the people questioning for their and for their children's fundings that were missing, missused, or said to be 'unaccounted for', Theres just so much of it, for years, if the people can see it, can't they?.

a few years ago, The federal courts told the people they should be ashamed of themselves for questioning the soverignty of their elected leaders. as if they 'all' voted for these leaders, now people are homeless, others are having a hard time, but the new council stated that the tribe doesn't have anything to help anyone with, no money left, so they joined in with other tribes to ask the federal gov't for more help.

but, we all know why we are in such a great debt. it's because there's not enough people questioning it or, maybe the right people are not questioning any of it, or, no one is listening, there's always something else, either way, it seems were in debt because somehow it's all our own fault, the fault of the people as a whole.
a few bad apples can hold down a whole tribe, but that doesn't mean the whole basket is full of bad apples.


I asked this of our veterans during the questioning of all the tribal corruptions, but, the whole idea of it must have been the wrong thing for a guy like me to ask. It didn't come out good and I only angered the veterans and some of the people, most of the people, all of the people.

I meant no disrespect to our veterans, but some veterans were on council at the time too, (always).
but I also called on all of our Traditionalists, Tough guys, Gang leaders, gangters, Churches, as Jesus was a radical dealing with corruptions in his own peoples holy temple.
I included all tribal members, it's all their funds too, including their families, and other tribal families, all tribally.

when it comes to tribal corruptions, it doesn't much matter which side were on, were usually all downed if we do and downed if we don't, except for being deeper in debt the following day. &, all this without the taste of khat.


one of my cousins told me she heard a rumor, , I was bannished from the tribe, another cousin told me, they can't do that.
'Rumors' over took the issues, and in the end, here we are standing back in front of the Gov't's door asking for a little more help.

Regardless of what they say or, think of me, the facts of the debts, and the needs remains the same, and has been for Years.

( it's safer sharing this story on the net then it is standing in the middle of the reservation telling the same story to people who already know & who are watching daily everything that's taking place. including seeing the new Homeless).
this much I do know : )


And now, Getting back to the War at hand, still, I say, we must support our troops, protest the war ( if willing ), but we must never loose the support for the troops, their fighting for our Freedoms, and some of them may be our next future leaders.
because of this, I do wish them our Best.


Happy Holidays,!!!!

we wish you all a Healthy and Happy New Year.


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