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Old 01-04-2010, 10:02 AM   #21
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Your story is familiar

Your story is so familiar and is happening and has happened both tribally and inter-tribally many times over. It makes me sad to hear it again. My family is inter-tribal. My husband 50/50 and chose his Mother’s tribe for political membership. He was Chairman of an inter-tribal community center some years back and discovered past board members had stolen a lot of funds and property for the community center. Those people had used the funds to start other non-profits and became pillars of the community. Not wanting their dark secrets to come out they sent their goon squads after us. Little did they know we had no interest in exposing them but just wanted to get the center back on its feet again because of both the historical significance of the center and the fact that the community needed the center. I started thinking and wondering why these things keep happening over and over. And I think it has to do with what happens to a person when their basic needs are not met as a child. When a child goes hungry, they stop trusting that there is enough food to go around even if there is a great abundance right in front of their eyes. And this can happen to an entire people too when a whole tribe or entire inter-tribal community has to go without basic needs being met, the psychology of living in lack can trick the mind into thinking that it is ok to steal from your own people. The mind is tricked into thinking that the funds will only be around temporarily and it turns into a self-fulfilling prophecy and they cycle continues, creating more lack and tricking more minds.
I am happy to hear about your family drum. The drum has the power to connect people spiritually and when a family sits around the drum together, it deepens the connections already there. Also, if there are issues to be worked out with the people sitting around the drum, those issues will come out because that is what needs to happen for healing to occur. Keep singing and praying with your family and when you are alone. Pray for the members of your tribe to turn their hearts, minds and spirits to the abundance that is all around – to our religions (whatever they may be) that teach us to share and what sharing really means. Pray for healing from the all the tricks that lack plays on our minds. The drum has power and your prayers have power. I will pray for you too and for your family and tribe. Your “standing in the tribe” is not at issue. You still have all the rights that tribal membership gives you. And you have the right to question and you have the right to have those questions answered.
A GED is something to be proud of. The GED test gets harder and harder every year. Some people with Ph.D.s cannot pass the GED test. It is true.
I wish you a happy new year too! Many blessings to you and yours!
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As I mentioned before, I meant no disrespect to the men and women of the Armed Forces.

It's exactly the way you said it was with your husbands tribe, for years and years and years, we have been hearing the people complain about misused tribal funds, unaccountablitites, misuse of Soverignty, ( when funds came to rez, for any reasons, with Gov't. Guidelines, we have soverignty on our rez. we can make our own rules on our rez., and we can also deside if we found a better use for the Federal funds else where, and all the borrowing without anything being replaced took the tribe deeper into debt, our tribes deepest debt ever with very little to show for any of it.).


Many of the spokes people were women, most of the other's were elders.
When the Federal Judge told the people they should be 'ashamed' of questioning the soverignty of their elected leaders, things died down, shamefully.

( I noticed, that If you questioned the people on a political level, they responded to you on a personal level, this frightened many people, the women and the elders. ).

I've seen and heard Elders stand and talk and question the tribal council, many of whom are no longer here with us today, except in spirit.
recently, I heard of other's questioning the tribal council, the questions were some of the same questions that were asked just a few short years ago, it was like a merry go around.


I thought, What is it that they didn't do yet?.
And then I thought of our Veterans, their status as warriors, protecters of the people?, They have one of the largest organizations in the country, all veterans have organizations on their own reservations, United, they are one of the largest organizations, including with their families and standing supporters.
I thought, if the Tribe and the people Honor, respected and recognized the veterans always, then maybe the Veterans would listen to the people and be in support when the people talked to the tribal council. ( respected men talking to respected men )

It turned out to be one of my most dangerous requests of all time because I didn't think to think there might be a veteran on council : ) and there was, usually at most times, if not at 'all' times.

but as I mentioned, I also put the call out to all the tough guys on the rez., the gang leaders, gangsters, 'tribal' Warriors.

as I wrote before, It didn't matter what side different tribal members were on, when we lost anything, we all lost, Tribally.

One of our Great Indigenous Chiefs once said, "Anything we do to the earth, we do to ourselves".
today we have to say, "Anything we do to our tribe, we do to ourselves, we do to our children".


Then, I saw the news-papers, ( I saw the article was posted here in Native Issues too ), we were losing our lands, no money left to help the people, the people are in great need, we request more funds.
(and I silently thought to myself and to the spirits of my relatives, " I wonder why? " : )


I do know we are not as bad off as yemen or any other third world countries, where they are in the war zones, No one is bombing us, we are not selling our children and people are not stealing our children, for money nor, sex.

Right where our tribe is now, today, 'speaks for itself', I only hope this is the worst debt our tribe will ever get itself into, , , , even if it is just wishfull thinking.

I do thank you for your time, thoughts and prayers, and I shall pray for you and all, In the same,
one thing we natives are good at is 'praying' : ) the rest, , , , still needs a little work.


On another topic, Have you ever seen "Going Native"?, it's all Native guys telling jokes, comedy.
anyways Chrlie Hill pointed something out, , , , He said, , , ,
They call us "Native Americans", He says, " We are older then America, , How can we be called something that we are older then?" : )

anyways, it's funny, and it's good for the morale : )

Have a Healthy and Happy New Year.!!!!


NativetoIndian.

( I might have to change my handle to , , , ,

"IndigenoustoIndian"

: )
politically correct. ( ? ).
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Old 01-05-2010, 11:20 AM   #23
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Part 2 of the story

Your story has prompted me to think of part 2 of the story of my husband’s Chairmanship at a historical inter-tribal community center. Because the community was so used to getting ripped of, they automatically assumed that anyone in the Chairman’s position was going to rip them off. The people who really did do the ripping off, years earlier, started a rumor that my husband was stealing from the community center. The reality was that he stole nothing and, in fact, volunteered 4 years of his life with no compensation for his work, whatsoever. There was nothing left to steal. The place was in a shambles when he became a board member and began working with the Chairperson before him to put it back together. With no evidence presented to the community, they took the bait and believed the rumor completely. The reality was that he continued the work of the Chairperson before him and completed the process of being awarded a Community Block Development Grant and hired an all-Indian crew to put a new roof on the building. The building had needed a new roof for about 15 years – many years before he took office. He also made sure the back taxes were paid that had not been paid for about 15 years since the place had been pilfered. The real work that he did and many sacrifices that he made were never acknowledged and the unfounded rumors continued. Many of the board members became board members simply to run interference. So, my husband initiated a full audit, gave the keys to the vice-chair and resigned his office. If he was guilty of anthing, it would have been revealed in the audit that he initiated. That was 10 years ago.
This scenario plays out over and over too in our communities. I am not implying that this was the case for you but perhaps the federal judge who shamed the naysayers had seen this scenario play out many times and assumed it was happening again. And perhaps the veterans who refused to help also had seen the scenario play out one too many times as well. One thing I would ask every Indian to do before accusing any of their leaders of misappropriation of funds is ask themselves honestly if there is any proof. We all expect to get ripped of which is a natural response to getting ripped off in every imaginable way but it also can get in the way of empowering our true leaders who really do want to help and are working hard to do so. The expectation of getting ripped of can cloud our judgment in not being able to see a true leader right before our very eyes.
I mean no disrespect – just something to think about.
Your point that you noticed when asking questions that are not personal, the response is always personal – this is not appropriate. And I have noticed people (not you) who question Elders and leaders of their tribe also turn things personal in an inappropriate way. In any case, it is always a good idea to have solid proof before hurling accusations. On the other hand, you always have the right to question your leaders without making accusations. So maybe the leaders you questioned were so used to being accused of things they didn’t do they assumed you were hurling accusations when you were only asking questions. More to think about…
On the other subject. I will look for the “Going Native” comedy special on Showtime. It is getting great reviews!
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No : ) it was the 'Council', the auditor found much problems with the audit, the council that hired him, also fired him before he completed his audit. this is the first time I ever revealed his story.
And if we ever had gotten an investigation in tribe corruption, I would have asked them to talk to the Auditor, I still have his name and number.
When the Auditor called me (personally) and told me this story, He said there was a meeting in the Federal Building in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, even the BIA was there, except, he wasn't invited, from this meeting he was fired, He said, 'this is the first time in his whole career as an auditor that he never finished his job as an Auditor'.
it sounds as if an Auditor can find all the proof that’s needed? : )

Gov.'t fundings, misplaced funds, misused funds, it was the council & their 'Soverignty', the people complained the funds were not getting to the right places, and theres only one council on our reservation that can do that : )
As for us, it was our leaders : )

this is the worst our tribe has been since we've became citizens with an account.

another late tribal chairman told me, , , , "When people run for elections, and they say they want to get to the bottom of the corruptions and address all of our tribal issues, they are not lying, they really do want to do something, but when they do get into office, Someone, or, Something changes their mind and their dragged into it".

It's as if we have a puppet master ????. if that’s the case, then "Who" has that kind of power?. the BIA?. Feds?.
An outside Agitator?, an outside 'On the Rez' agitator?.... He didn't say, even he was a former tribal chairman that once filed charges on the tribal council over the use of, or, misuse of tribal funds.

Anyways, you know the stories from your husband's Chairman position, and then you heard our stories from, , , , 'some of the peoples' on the other side.

so now you have both sides, two views.
It's not Divide and Conqure, maybe more of, "Who gets to get some", "who's allowed some".

What's "Shameful" is that it's Shamefull that it's been allowed to take us this far for so long,.
and; as I mentioned before, Where our tribe is now, today, speaks for itself.


Here's one:
Did you know, if a white man lived on a reservation for sometime, this whiteman can become a tribal chairman and build himself an empire on our little bitty reservations?. well, it's true, and under the watchful eye of the BIA's protection, possibilly to lift the Blood quantum on reservations, or, at least on our reservation,
( when this was pointed out, the Federal courts rulled it would dretramental to his family if blood issues were used. )
Traditionally, they 'use' to say, , " One man, or, One Family is not important then that of the tribe as a whole ".


Were also suppose to be recognized as a Treaty tribe, whatever that means anymore. I know Treaties can't protect our lands, maybe some lands, but not all "Treaty Protected Lands", for instance, "some choosen Allotments" on our reservation are no longer protected by Treaties, and due to the increasing tribal debts, were losing our lands and losing the use of tribal lands.


Shamefully, our tribe may be the first, or, One of the first to be desolved into the states. . . .
Unless we get some Honest Leaders who are willing to place themselves 'below the people', for the people.

One day, a bright young man, or women, will rise above all the rest of the others, for the others to see, A brave person, One the people can count on, this brave young person will stand and say to the people , , , , "Our Emporer is Naked" !!!! : )

we can only hope : )

My proof to all this is the people's proof, and there was much of it.
but two court rullings shamed us all.

The idea of Sovereignty can Help us rebuild, but, misused, Sovereignty can destroy us. shame us.


just like words, words can help us rebuild and words can also be used to destroy us / ourselves.
the ripples of standing in hot water : )

I said "Our tribe is in debt, and divided, our Elders are complaining and being Threatened, and Intimidted, men are being beatin' and threatened, this has been going on for years and years, Where are the peoples warriors?, Where are our Veterans?, where is our tough guys?, Gang leaders, Gangsta's?, Our Elders need protection so they can speak and live accordingly".

this is all I said : ) but I was also the internet connections guy for some of the people without computers,
and I sent information back from off the internet, I met other people from our reservation on the internet too, but they were more talking traditional, something I didn't see happening on our reservation at the time, but by then I was already labeled as a trouble maker and the rumors started on me and on the other people questioning the issues. ( as for me, I was for more bigger "ideas" then anything else : )
I put a lot of stuff out on the internet ( the peoples proof and questions ) that angered a lot of people, as it showed, "we were not one big happy traditional tribal family" : ) unquote.
and today, Now see where we are,
Maybe we just don't have anything to invest in.
And; I never once got a check from our casino : )


I didn't mean any disrespect to our men and women in the Armed Forces, I just thought if their giving their lives for other peoples freedom, why not stand for our own peoples?.
some of the young people over there in the war zones will be our future leaders here, I hope for their safe return and a happy joyful life here.

One of them maybe the bright young person that will rise above the rest for the good of the people.

we wish them our best.

Have a Healthy and Happy New Year.!!!! ( to the Four Directions )


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soon to be "IndigenoustoIndian".

P/s, eveything I wrote here, about our tribe, has placed me on the black list before and will no doubt put me back on the list again, but some have never been under the table, some have no idea how it is under the table, it's unbelieveable.

( Honor and Respect ).
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a short note:

One former tribal chairman once said, ," Treaties?, the treaties, they served their purposes." : )


Maybe I should have never asked for the veterans help, maybe, I asked in the wrong way?, or, Maybe I should have never even said anything, but, actually, I was only repeating something I heard from an elder speaking traditionally about the peoples protectors.
he also said, , "I wonder what our ancestors think of us today?".
either way, Nothing happen, no investigations or anything, what was done was done as is and can't be changed, only retold, hopefully not retold through the ideas of 'rumors'.
'rumors' are used in , what I heard one indigenous man call it, , 'Identity Assassination'.

The thoughts of our tribal issues all came back when I saw the news story, our newly elected tribal chairman requesting that the 'people' are in need of more funds and help,
And when you mentioned schools and tribal interests in your son's education.
Your tribe is truely blessed in good ways, I'm sure our tribe has the same capabilities to rebuild itself, we too, come from strong people / Ancestors, it'll take a good leader, some time and long goals but our people have survived before, I'm sure they will again, Our people need every chance they can get.
( if not, shamefully, there will always be the "State" to fall back on : )
Our own doings will speak for itself in a few years.

For the moment, I hope the Federal Government will give / help our tribe with everything it needs to rebuild itself.
I for one still remember how it was when I was homeless, hungry, without interest and at most times, no where to go, really nothing to do, so I drank to get drunk. ( I've been sober now for the past 19 years, I even quit smoking cigarettes for the past 10 years : ).
but, I couldn't / can't imagine being homeless with children. the news paper said, 'and people are homeless'.

When it comes to this, we can use all the help we can get : ) New Year, New Beginnings.


In trying to get back on track, , "The War", there and here,
I meant no disrespect to the troops,
we wish / pray for the best for our troops,
we know some of these may be our future tribal leaders, future leaders.


P/s. President Obama was really angry at his press release today, they failed to connect the dot's, he said,
the other people said, , "they said the samething after 9/11".
I hope the information is not being overlooked on purpose, otherwise more people really are in danger.

Their here to 'kill infidels'?, that's us too?.
Quote:
"they have this mistaken belief that God rewards evil".
unquote.




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I know what it is like to be put on a black list for pointing out the bad habits had to die in the community. Our orientation toward the meaning of wealth has sure changed with the insistence on thinking either/or instead of both/and in the assimilated world. The richest family used to be the family that was fortunate enough to be able to give the most away. We don’t honor that the way we used to. How can we? – Living in prisoner of war allotted land. How can we? Asking for what belongs to no one and everyone.
When I was unemployed last year, I started going to a church and wrote them a community impact need based grant from our local United Way. The grant was to be used to start a food pantry in an underserved part of my local community. The church had not been awarded a grant before because they couldn’t afford a financial review, which costs less than an audit. So, I wrote the cost of the financial review into the grant and found a CPA firm that would do a partial donation of services. It was a lot of work, especially when I was applying to about 10 jobs a week at the time. It came time for the financial review to begin and the church “leaders” pulled out of the process. I was devastated that all my heard work was for nothing. I wondered what they were so afraid of and how such a thing could happen. Church members came to me and said that the couple running the church didn’t know how to run a non-profit. The CPA wanted to teach them how to do all the paperwork properly. But in the end they turned away from their only chance to go “legit.”
I volunteered for Head Start and I am the current Chairperson of the Policy Council. The former bookkeeper was fired for not doing the budgeting and paperwork properly to prepare for a federal review. A federal review is serious work and a big deal. If a federal review reveals serious compliance issues, the program is lost. So too the tribe is lost when the books are cooked. The tribe should be paying for any member who wants to learn accounting and then hire those same members after they learned how to keep books properly. A lot of people just get in over their heads. Bookkeeping is a skill that few people just pick up. You have to have some schooling – especially when sovereignty issues are involved.
I was guided to write that grant for the church and obediently did it despite my growing concerns. At the same time the church “leaders” pulled out of the review/grant process with United Way, I got a great federal job! We just did a fundraising campaign at my new job for United Way and raised $50,000. Absolutely unheard of in this economy! Friday, I am invited to a dinner at United Way to be thanked for my work on the campaign which will help many people, suffering from unemployment in out community. It is hard to find a job when there are none! The people who invited me to the dinner were the same ones I was embarrassed to talk to after the church “leaders” pulled their BS. Things have a funny way of turning around. You stay true to your ethics and things will turn for you.
Thank you for sharing your story and for letting me share mine.
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Response to part two

You were writing at the same time as me.
Congratulations on your sobriety! I have been sober since May of 1998, my husband for more than 20 years. Our miracle child was born to two sober parents in their 5th year of marriage and has a strong sense of identity at 4 years of age. I knew that he needed to grow up around a drum. He was singing before he could walk or talk and received his name before 4 months. The tribe does have it together financially. We are very fortunate for that. The constitution is strong. We cannot live on the rez because there is no work. I don’t want to work in the casino and the tribe won’t hire me so we had to go where the jobs are. Unfortunately there are not a lot of NDNs where the jobs are. Go figure.
Blessings and prayers…
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yellowthunders mama;

At your dinner gathering this week, Beware of Uninvited Guest, there seems to be much of that going on lately : )
that and Party Crashers : )


I too thank you for all the time you shared, for all your thoughts,
You're a very good person.

Learning something new in a good way is always a plasure, Thank you.

Thank you very much.

have a wonderful dinner, you've earned it.


Have a Healthy and Happy New Year.!!!!
( to you and to the four directions ).

Our Best,
take care.


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Yes, hopefully no one will "Salahi" the event. I do not think anyone would be expecting that.
Thank you for your posts. Creator knows your shante washte.
To the Four Directions
Blessings and prayers my new friend.
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