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Old 02-28-2009, 12:53 AM   #141
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Let me draw a mainstream parallel.

If a person is white (and choses to follow their culture) they don't follow 'white culture'. They are french or german or irish etc etc. so they follow that specfic culture.

So for an NDN, if they are culture "X", that's their roots, their nationality. Being NDN is just the racial group. Now there are similarities, but thats about it.

Just a review....for whoever doesn't get it yet....
Being NDN, being your nation. That comes from the blood you were born of. The same blood shared by your parents, grandparents etc. Following the NDN culture or the white doesn't change who you are. A person is born NDN or not

OK I am dozing off...long day.

P.S. TKMJ....I do not think you will pass the test.

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I am an East Coast native and my religion/ways are intact

To the post that said my east coast native heritage is questionable and broken :



I am an East Coast native (Lnu) and my language, religion, and old ways are still intact.

Up here in Quebec/Nova Scotia...that is not an issue...

...are you refering to the Carolinas/Virginia area ?

What east coast natives are "less right" and "less complete" than "western tribes" ?


Who are you talking about ?
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Old 03-10-2009, 04:57 PM   #144
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peoples from maine for one.
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Old 03-10-2009, 05:09 PM   #145
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peoples from maine for one.
That's quite a broad brush that you are painting with.
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...are you refering to the Carolinas/Virginia area ?

What east coast natives are "less right" and "less complete" than "western tribes" ?

Um...huh???

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That's quite a broad brush that you are painting with.
that's cuz i'm not sure wether it's micmac or passamaquoddy or both
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Whatever--- Mi'kmaq is more indian than most tribes because we don't pretend to be indian... we don't TRY to be something... we don't make a BIG DEAL about being something..

we just are what we are and we live within it......

So many natives STRUGGLE with identity or make such a big deal and jump through so many hoops to show they are indian--- what, are you compensating for something ?

Just live in your situation and you are what you are...

All of this flashy show and rhetoric sounds like a teenage boy who is struggling to convince us that he is something that he obviously is not ('cause if he was, he'd just live it and stop showing it so much).

Like some 15 year old skateboarding white kid who hates the world because the whole world doesn't skateboard along side him--and doesn't listen to his "sage advice" about skateboarding either.... or the 15 year old white kid who "knows abotu being gangster" and listens to "only the hardest rap" ... etc.etc..

IT IS OLD AND TIRED--- If we are born indian, then we are indian--end of story. I could move to china and study at the Shaolin Temple and become a kung fu monk for 10 years.. and after that 10 years--guess what? I'm still Indian--yep, I was indian the whole time. BUT--BUT--- I DIDN'T "ACT" LIKE AN INDIAN --- yea, so what? I'm still Indian. I don't need to go through prescribed motions to convince myself of my history and heritage... I know it and it is instrinsic to this life of mine... no matter where I go or what I do--- always native. No need to "show it" or "earn it"...it is mine naturally and non-stop.

If you feel that you have to "earn it" or "prove it" by performing a series of prescribed actions and saying prearranged things... then you are a fool who doesn't understand what it means to be born something. When you are born native you ARE native--regardless. For example-- if a white person cannot become native by performing said lifestyle-- then how can an indian STOP being indian if they do not perform said lifestyle. Clearly, we have just shown that the lifestyle does not "give" or "prove" native-ness

End conclusion : Even a native who becomes a shaolin buddhist monk is still a native. Why ? 'cause he was born native, lives native (regardless of action), and dies native.

It is like a mother and child : Even the child goes off and does wild and crazy ****...and never makes his way home... Still... he is his mother's child. Nothing he can do will "undo" that bond... no matter how off the path he goes... he is still the son of his mother.


Mi'kmaw history and culture IS NOT Lakota history or culture--and as such-- IT SHOULD NOT LOOK LIKE IT.
For example : The Lakota FOUGHT the U.S.A. .. The Mi'kmaw were aligned to the U.S.A.... obviously, this is going to lead to very different outcomes.
Lakota adopted horses... Mi'kmaw made canoes--- again, this is obviously going to lead to two very different peoples...

Get it?
(and yes....obviously, the more refined the view gets, you have to replace "native" with the name of your specific confederacy, nation, tribe,band..etc.etc..)


The racism of indians to whites is trumped only by the racism of indians to other indians.
*and before you say anything-- yes, we are racist towards whites.. yes, we are. You know we are. Just own it. However, also own the fact that you are racist towards other indian peoples--- because you feel they need to be like you in order to be "real indians".

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The racism of indians to whites is trumped only by the racism of indians to other indians.
This effect is completely caused by fear, due to those who have not the courage to actually become something.

If the ONLY thing an Indian has to feel proud about is that they are an Indian? They are fools.

Because any swinging phallus can be born Indian.
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Is this fake or real?

Hi everyone. I would like to ask a question.

First I am a decendent of native americans of the Delaware tribe. I have also been to several powwows and find them very interesting.

Last week, I was invited to and attended a Delaware tree awakening ceremony. This happened at sunrise on the first day of spring. I was told that this was something that Chief Tammany did every spring to help the people believe that it would be a good growing season.

What the people who attended did was all join hands around this hugh oak tree. Then the leader said some prayers and asked the tree to wake up. Then he started tapping the tree with a stick as he went around the tree. After that everyone started tapping different trees with a stick. I just stood there and watched thinking that something was wrong. First time jitters I guess. It was just weird and I didn't understand why the trees needed to be woke up. Later as we had a great breakfast and talked, I was told that this ceremony has been done for thousands of years and I need to go home and wake my own trees in my yard.

After I got home, I started searching on the internet for some insite on this tree awakening. The only thing I found was a small topic on some strange website about witches and Celtic beliefs.

Is this some of that new age stuff that an elder at a powwow I attended warned me about and not to believe? Is it a real thing that I should be doing? It seems really strange. Somehow, I can't see native americans hitting trees with sticks telling them to wake up!

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My husband is Lenape, part of the Delaware Nation and he has never heard of this ceremony. I have never heard of it either.

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"Is this some of that new age stuff that an elder at a powwow I attended warned me about and not to believe? Is it a real thing that I should be doing? It seems really strange. Somehow, I can't see native americans hitting trees with sticks telling them to wake up!"

It seems to me they should be hitting the attendees with a stick and waking them up!
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Hi everyone. I would like to ask a question.

First I am a decendent of native americans of the Delaware tribe. I have also been to several powwows and find them very interesting.

Last week, I was invited to and attended a Delaware tree awakening ceremony. This happened at sunrise on the first day of spring. I was told that this was something that Chief Tammany did every spring to help the people believe that it would be a good growing season.

What the people who attended did was all join hands around this hugh oak tree. Then the leader said some prayers and asked the tree to wake up. Then he started tapping the tree with a stick as he went around the tree. After that everyone started tapping different trees with a stick. I just stood there and watched thinking that something was wrong. First time jitters I guess. It was just weird and I didn't understand why the trees needed to be woke up. Later as we had a great breakfast and talked, I was told that this ceremony has been done for thousands of years and I need to go home and wake my own trees in my yard.

After I got home, I started searching on the internet for some insite on this tree awakening. The only thing I found was a small topic on some strange website about witches and Celtic beliefs.

Is this some of that new age stuff that an elder at a powwow I attended warned me about and not to believe? Is it a real thing that I should be doing? It seems really strange. Somehow, I can't see native americans hitting trees with sticks telling them to wake up!
Think back here for a minute, Joe...

Did the people at this 'Tree Wakening' ceremony look like Celts?

I'm just an old man, but if I were a tree...

I think I would feel a whole lot better if someone would come whisper to me to wake up cuz it's springtime...instead of beating the SHEIT out of me with a stick!!!

And if I were a tree...I would believe 'the One who created me' would know when it was time for me to wake up. Why in the hell would I need a hooman to tell when it's time?
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JD.. I was thinking that sounded like an old celt or wiccan thing myself but can't find anything on it.. all I know is in that area, the only tapping on trees that is done in the spring is maple tapping... LOL! But in my search I found two more crackpots....

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Think back here for a minute, Joe...

Did the people at this 'Tree Wakening' ceremony look like Celts?

I'm just an old man, but if I were a tree...

I think I would feel a whole lot better if someone would come whisper to me to wake up cuz it's springtime...instead of beating the SHEIT out of me with a stick!!!

And if I were a tree...I would believe 'the One who created me' would know when it was time for me to wake up. Why in the hell would I need a hooman to tell when it's time?
The people were dresses as normal as any one. Jeans, shirts, hats, jackets, sweatshirts, you name it. Nothing special, nothing fancy.

I think I'm going to look up this elder I met a powwow last year. I have his business card around here somewhere. The funny part about him is he says he is not an elder but many of the people say he is. If he is not an elder, why does everyone seem to seek him out? Maybe he is just one of those popular guys that seems to always have good advice. We talked last year for about an hour on the tailgate of his pickup after the circle was closed. Nice truck, looked brand new and he seemed really proud of it. He offered me food as we talked. The one thing I took from our conversation is that there are many fakes and weird things that people do that have no real understandable reason. He said that native americans usually have a lot of common sense and if things don't seem right, chances are they are not.

I also think I will stay away from the tree beating people. They call themselves Delaware and are located in east central Ohio.
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As the Delaware were pushed out of their native lands some of them did land in Ohio...So there are people of Delaware descent in Ohio...

I tried to do some tree awakening research also and all I found were references ti the Celts, and Wiccans.... and neither one of them are Delaware....
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As the Delaware were pushed out of their native lands some of them did land in Ohio...So there are people of Delaware descent in Ohio...

I tried to do some tree awakening research also and all I found were references ti the Celts, and Wiccans.... and neither one of them are Delaware....
Same here. All I found were small references that were all Wiccian and Celt. Like I said, I'm going to stay away from them. We met at a powwow last year and they said they could help me find my native roots and define them more clearly. From my own research, I have found that my great grandmother was 1/2 Delaware. So that makes me just about nothing.
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I fully understand that and are very proud of who I am and where I came from. The thing is that I keep reading about people like myself who have very little native blood getting in with the wrong people and leaning false things about my ancestors. I don't want to be like that.

I found the business card of the guy I talked to a the powwow I attended in Logan, Ohio last year. It was under the seat of my van. It's really faded out from the sun and got wet somehow. The guy's name is Ken and he is some sort of audio engineer or an audiologist or something. I can't read the phone number. Hopefully I will run into him again this year. He really seems to know his stuff.
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