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Old 03-05-2004, 10:23 AM   #1
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Lumbee members complain of mobile home problems
Friday, March 5, 2004

The Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina has stopped work on mobile home setups in response to complaints of dissatisfied members.

The tribe bought a reported 30 mobile homes for $15,800 each. They were meant as replacement homes for tribal members because tribal officials said repairs to old homes would not be cost-effective.

But tribal members say the homes were set up improperly. Contractors hired by the tribe apparently failed to level the homes, causing cracks, breaks and leaks inside the homes.

The tribe's housing program has been questioned by the Department of Housing and Urban Development. The tribe's old administrator was fired.

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For building anything in the Southeast, given our problems with termites, wood-boring beetles and ants, humidity, and other such climate-related problems, I'd use concrete or concrete block(filled, capped, and sealed). It doesn't burn, doesn't rot, and the insects can't eat it. Make sure you have sufficient ventilation, a dehumidifier if the humidity is normally very high, and a well-insulated attic, and the building will stay warmer in the winter and cooler in the summer. In rocky areas, using rock(27 pickup truck or 6 dump truck loads) and concrete, scavenged or used rebar, and you can build a 24 x 48 exterior shell for the cost of the concrete, rebar, and the plywood and studs for the forms. The forms, of course, can be used for the next house.

There's a company in Illinois called Azar Block, which makes interlocking concrete block which require no mortar and are weather sealed inside and out. You can build a structure in 1/3 the time of conventional concrete block. They have a website, www.azarblock.com, and offer franchises-also something to consider if searching for a way to expand the tribe's economic base and create jobs.

Tribes really ought to start checking out publications like Mother Earth News, Mother Jones, and some of the other "alternative" building mags and books. Also, instead of paying for expensive and often unreliable electricity, gas, and heating oil, tribes might try looking onto solar and wind generated electricity, and stoves which burn wood pellets or corn kernels(which produce more heat than wood pellets and are cheaper). The sun and wind are free. With an intergrated active/passive solar system and 1 wind-driven turbine, a power-house with 42 car batteries, and an ac/dc flip component in the switch box, there will be enough power to take care of an average household, with enough extra saved in the batteries to keep the juice on for 7 days if the wind doesn't blow and the sun fails to shine. I remember reading of some tribes who are already doing this and have been very pleased with the results. Solar and wind power stuff can be ordered through a company called Sunelco.

Ceiling fans can also help lower heating/cooling costs as they prevent layering of warm air above cooler air by keeping it all circulating. You can get a decent one for about $20-$30 at Kmart, Wal-mart, Home Depot, or Lowes.

There was an article about 2 Crow girls who designed a building using stucco plastered over sealed straw bales for the walls, and I also read about some folks using the old method of hard-tamping dry earth between adobe or cement inner and outer walls, a method used by people all over the world who live in arid regions. The walls are very thick, keeping it cooler in the heat of day, but storing heat which is then released inside during the cool nights. Neither of these would work in humid areas, but tribes in drier ones could. There are also articles I've read about people using earth-birmed structures, or even wind-hollowed rock outcrops to make homes.

The traditional adobe homes or hogans of the Southwest worked for thousands of years...and are worth continuing as they are perfect for those areas. It's already been proven that they are readily "modernized". Why not the smoke house or long house? Dang, there's all sorts of creative possibilities when it comes to using the traditional housing in a modern way.

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That's alot of good information there Tsanuwa... thank you!
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So how is a Tornado in Oklahoma like a divorce in Arkansas?

In both cases somebody is about to lose a mobile home...

I know..............wrong thread........
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Well, I didn't want to be tacky, but around here we call mobile homes/mobile home parks "tornado magnets".
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just a wives tale.. http://www.angelfire.com/ak/funnle/tornfacts.html

but NC does'nt have to worry bout tornados cause of the mountains.
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Don't tell the people in Robeson County that they don't have tornados - since one hit last night...
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They def do have tornadoes in NC - I have been in Pembroke several times when one hit.
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Man, I felt like we were in the Wizard of Oz last night - just sorta waited for the house to be lifted - winds came outta nowhere - no warning....
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I knew a ECBI member named Howard Wahneta from Cherokee, who married a Washoe from Carson City, NV named Lisa. They were living in the Carson Indian Colony, and we were over at their house one night watching the news when they were talking about a tornadic system moving through KS, NE, and MO. Lisa asked Howard, "Isn't a tornado just like a big wind?". He and I both fell out laughing. Not 2 weeks later Nevada had its first tornado ever, in Fernley.


Speaking of which, we are moving into tornado season right now. Guess I'll go rent Twister.
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No way.. a tornado really? How common is that then?
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It seems to be more and more common - don't have very many statistics, but I know that in the last few years, at least 2 or 3 have hit here....
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That's really interesting. I had thought NC was only subject to hurricanes. I used to have dreams and I mean lots of dreams of tornadoes when I lived in the midwest, do'nt have them anymore but now dreaming of earthquakes here in alaska LOL!!

So do they seem to just hit certain areas or are they just all over? I guess what I am asking is, does it seem they happen more in the valleys or are places closer to mountainous areas effected as well?
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I do not know of tornados hitting the mountains, but I live closer to the coast - and it seems the winds that came the other night came from the mountains, but gained speed, which was not expected.

I am about 4-5 hours from the mountains.
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Almost sounds like a chinook wind.... hurricane force winds. Usually warm too.
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I grew up in Nebraska and have had the distinct unpleasant experience of quite a few tornados. From what I know they are more common in Iowa,Nebr,Kansas,Oklahoma,Texas, Missouri, Indy and Ohio than anywhere else. But they can happen just about anywhere as long as the conditions are favorable.
I always knew when the tornado siren was going to go off. The sky always got this really weird shade of green and the wind was absolutely still. cougie
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Discovery Channel has this awesome program on tornados they play every now and then which explains how they're made. Mostly, it's when a mass of cold air settles over one of warm humid air. The cold air is heavier and pushes down, while the lighter warm air gets pressured until it punches up through the cold air. When thunderheads start rolling in, you know there'll be a violent storm, and it could spawn tornados. The deadliest tornado in recorded history was in 1923, was a super f-5 2 miles wide which traveled more than 100 miles and killed nearly 300 people.

And yeah, the sky gets weird before a funnel develops. My kids were awed when they watched a funnel cloud forming... right before we ran for shelter. Fortunately, it dissapated before it touched down. Still had to check my drawers, tho.
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