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Old 07-13-2006, 04:34 PM   #1
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Lumbee officials testify in D.C.

Taken from the Wilson Daily Times

Lumbee officials testify in D.C.

The Associated Press

FAYETTEVILLE Lumbee tribal chairman Jimmy Goins told a congressional hearing on tribal recognition that the North Carolina tribe knows its roots but outsiders still question them.

"They don't know us. They have never been in our community and yet they dispute every congressional and federal legislation," Goins said Wednesday.

"We will match the strength of our history and community against any other Indian tribe. We are, in fact, an Indian tribe."

Goins testified before the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs as the tribe sought federal recognition.

Lumbees have been seeking federal status for more than a century and if it is won will get an estimated $77 million in annual federal aid.

Congress approved the Lumbee Act in 1956 that said the tribe was American Indian but left out the benefits.

"It's time for all this to end and for Congress to complete what it started in 1956," Goins said.

Sen. Elizabeth Dole, R-N.C. told the panel that Lumbees are the only American tribe hemmed in by actions of a previous Congress. Dole filed the Lumbee Acknowledgment Bill last spring.

"Their legitimacy has been established time and time again," Dole said. "... There is no need to waste the tribe's or the government's time and money again."

Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., said the tribe hasn't been treated fairly.

Federal officials said it could take four years to review a Lumbee petition for recognition.

Although Dole was pushing for legislation to give federal status to the Lumbees, officials of the Eastern Band of the Cherokee said the tribe should take the traditional recognition route through the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

The process is "undermined when politics and emotion, rather than facts about tribal identity, drive the federal recognition decision," testified Michell Hicks, principal chief of the Eastern Band of the Cherokee.

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you can view the webcast from this site.

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I was watching some of it the otherday... but it's like way long and eventually I had to go to bed LOL
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I watched the entire proceedings and it was much more informative than any of the articles I've read or the arguments I have heard on this and other forums. It's well worth the couple of hours it took in my estimation.

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my problem is I tried to start watching it at 2am.. but yes, what I did get through is just as you said!
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You know I use to think the Lumbee's were not Native, but I've done some research and have come to the conclusion that they are in fact Native! I know one reason my tribe does not want them to get federal recognition is beacaue there are so many of them and it will probably cut out alot of the funding my people get! Not that I agree with our reasoning. We Cherokee and Lumbee should stand together on this matter and demand the funds both tribes have a right tooo.
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You know we will be viewed in abetter light if we stop all the back bitting and start lifting one another up! The biggest battle we are fighting is the one between our tribes!
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This may help somewhat.... alot of people dont know that the Lumbee Bill has literature specifing that the monies needed to fund the Lumbee will be added to BIA funds, therefore no other tribes will be affected.. I know that not everyone of the Eastern Band feels the same way about all of this, I have many friends that live up there, and they have totally different views about this whole situation. In all honesty, I think that it has to do more with gaming than any other thing, ( this is my opinion) seeing how we are in a prime location for a casino, I-95 intersecting with soon to be I-74, and it may hurt the numbers as far as people, but I really dont think so, with there being so much distance between the tribes.....
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In my opinion this should not be a issue. It has nothing to do with your tribe being Native. Isn't this suppose to be the real issue. Just because your tribe is a mixture of other tribe's doesn't make you less native!
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Gaming should not be a factor.
Monies should not be a factor.

The only thing that should matter is if the Lumbee people can prove they are a unified group of tribal people who can trace their roots back to an historic tribe.

I'm still confused though, and no one has ever been able to effectively answer this question for me. Why do the Lumbees call themselves Lumbees when, in reality, there is no such thing as a Lumbee Indian? You guys claim to be descendants of the Cheraw people so why not be the Cheraw Indians of North Carolina?

I think the legislative route is the best and really the only way the Lumbees will ever be recognized. The lack of a language and traditional religion would severely hurt their chances if having to go through the BIA process.
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Now this is all from what I have formulated in reading, and research, and I may totally be off base...Some tribes names originate from different items, rivers, an event, a location...Lumbee comes from the original name of the Lumber River(present day), which was the Lumbee River. Now as to why not use the Cheraw name... ? I wondered that myself, but then I found that there is alot of evidence that the Cheraw were not the only tribe represented in this area, there has been alot of evidence of other tribes to have inhabited this area, and to only identify everyone by the largest or most found would not be right... So why not absorb all these tribes into one...there is along history of tribes absorbing up other tribes, ex.. what was left of the algonquian, was absorbed into southern tribes, there are alot of cases out West and North that have done the same... I beleive the hearing last week, with the testimony of Dr. Campezzie, showing all the different possibilities,but appling the most compelling is the way to go. Another supporting idea, are the few tribal elders of the Lumbee, that can even remember phrases or words, not even whole sentences of the old language, which if not, are identical to that of the once Cheraw Tribe....

And of course you have those that claim Tuscorora, whom share some of the same blood lines as many Lumbee, that offers proof, if they are correct, shows representation of other tribes, I even know of some that have Catawba bloodlines. Its a very unique situation I feel...and again this is only my opinion from what I have formulated over the years.

As far as the BIA Process, we have passed it on (3) different accounts, and I know we could pass it again, but what would be the use, I think that it would just be another ride on the merrygoround...
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lumbee superintendent

well, somebody over there thinks a lumbee is good enough to be their superintendent - maybe rose marie can educate the next generation on who we are. lol...........i kid, i kid.....
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Money should'nt be a factor, but it seems it always has been. I know they are supposed to come up with new funds for the lumbee if they get recognition but where is that money supposed to come from? You hear that the USA is in debt 2.2 billion dollars? LOL!!
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Money should'nt be a factor, but it seems it always has been. I know they are supposed to come up with new funds for the lumbee if they get recognition but where is that money supposed to come from? You hear that the USA is in debt 2.2 billion dollars? LOL!!
...and we're spending a BILLION a week on the war in the middle east. Maybe we should take a 3 week vacation *grin* that way we would fix the national debt -and- leave .8 billion for ndn country!
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I would just like to say there is no statue saying that the administrative process must be the only route for tribes to become federally recognized. There are several other tribes that have become recognized throw the same process the Lumbee are taking.
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and by the way in the Lumbee's attempt to become federally recognized I have found several documents that were submitted to congress were the Lumbee are the "Lumbee Tribe of Cheraw Indians". I would like to just say BB I'm trying!

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Also Cheraw Indians are Siouan speaking so that takes out the language argument. I have learned so much. I think this tribe has struggled long enough. You know they are already receiving some funding from some federal indian programs just not from the BIA.
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Everyone needs to keep in mind that in the area the Lumbee Tribe of Cheraw Indians are from is one of the most poorly documented peoples in American history.
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Is Palefacehater dating a Lumbee?

"palefacehater and a Lumbee sitting in a tree..."

Just kidding...had to kid ya because of your 100% turn around on this issue. I sort of feel like you do in a way. When I first moved to NC, I'd never heard of a Lumbee...Cherokees sure...Seminoles yup...Creek of course...Lumbees?? Who are they? So, I started asking questions and got the initial responses from EBCI members who, of course, told me their opinions which weren't favorable. Then, I started looking into it myself and asking some Lumbees. I did find that a lot of the Lumbees are very sensitive when it comes to being questioned about their tribe. Almost to the point of taking any question at all like an attack. So, when I was simply asking questions about language and history and culture, most of the responses were in the nature of "we are Indians!" But, over time, I have made some Lumbee friends who are awesome people. I still don't know a lot about them, but I know more than I did. I have no doubt there is an Indian heritage there, and I'll give them credit that they have one of the most tight-nit communities in all of Indian Country. I just wish their tribal leadership would be more upfront with people about their multi-tribal origins.
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I know, I know! Man I'll tell ya that NDN GRITS has been pumping me with info. I at one time offered NO support to Lumbee's, but once you read about their struggle and learn about some of their tribal history it's hard not to support them. I truly believe the reason their sensative about the multi-tribal origins is because they have been called more African and white than anything. Man that would sting!
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