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Old 08-23-2006, 12:16 PM   #41
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"..........One thing that needs to be understood, and this isn't an indictment of Lumbee legitimacy, is that groups that clearly have no legitimacy would use the congressional route. The Sugar Creek Cherokees in Tennessee have announced just such a plan. Look at Congress and ask how many Indians are there. Do we really want a body with such a lack of knowledge making determinations of who's a tribe and who isn't? The need for a petitioning process is a valid concern, regardless of what Chief Hicks chooses to focus on......."

I believe that one of the strongest reasons for seeking all of this through Congress, is the fact that it was congress that put us where we are stuck at today, in a recognition limbo... and also the fact that it has been going on for over century with the government to obtain Federal Status, and the only way before I think the early 1900's or so, correct me if I am wrong when the BIA began its own process, Congressional act was the only way to obtain the Federal status...

But I can say this, even if Full Federal Recognition is never granted, my people will continue to live, prosper and survive, as we have done over the centuries without the Governments help. Yeah, who wouldnt love to have free health care, more monies for economic development and housing, we sure could use it, and a casino.. hmmmm? I dont know if that would do more good or harm. My people are plagued with drugs and crime, and in a sense I think that the per cap. made from a casino would in a sense "handicap" and do more harm than good for some, however on the other hand, it would stimulate the economy for my people, county, and state. So if does happen great! All those that have fought hard for the past centuries could finally rest their souls, if not I am positive the battle would persist, but my people would continue to prosper.... I thank everyone that has supported us thus far, and thank you to those that have opposed us as well, because without those that are against us, we would not have anything to fuel my people to rise for what is just....

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badmutha, i agree. the congressional route should not be open to any tom, dick & harry. as far as health care, i don't know if i should be worried or not. a federal inmate has better health care & more money spent on them than an indian. that's how pitiful IHS' funding is - not to mention what bush would cut if he had his way - but, i guess something is better than nothing. speaking of self-sufficiency, our people better be concerned about getting a good education, and finding decent jobs that offer benefits & health care coverage. federal recognition will give us pride, & may help some, but it ain't no golden ticket.
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Badmutha!

As far as fixing problems around here, your absolutely right. The only people who can do that is us. Personally I agree with DarkWaterLum in that a casino might actually cause more damage than good in Robeson County.

As far as the casino competition thing goes: with all due respect, having yet one more casino in this area of the country would affect you whether you already have competition or not. Thatís like saying the Family Dollar store and the Piggly Wiggly in town (who are already competing with each other) donít care if Wall Mart builds a super center right up the street! I am not saying that this is necessarily the main reason why Mr. Hicks or any one else has opposed our recognition. But it would be very naive to think that this is not a concern that certain individuals may have!

And you are definitely right that Cherokees and Lumbees need to learn to work together. The only way that is going to happen however is if the Cherokee officials ever decide to take a break calm down and actually listen to what our officials have been trying to tell them with an open mind. Chief Hicks was most definitely a lot more informed this time than he was at the previous hearing. The only problem was that he was only knowledgeable on select pieces of information. If you research something and only focus on a certain thing you will not see the whole picture, which Mr. Hicks obviously did not.

Itís a shame that so many folks donít realize that a Lumbee played a crucial roll in negotiating the Eastern Bands Gaming contract with the state in the first place or the fact that a Lumbee played a crucial roll in designing housing programs in not only Cherokee, but for the Catawba, the Mississippi Choctaws and others! We have a lot to offer other tribes when they are willing to open their doors!

On another note the head of the BIA wasnít even up to speed on research conducted by his very own agency. He had no knowledge (or at least pretended not to) about the 9,000+ acres of land his agency purchased for the tribe in the 30s, those persons who were certified as Ĺ or more degree of Indian blood who had houses built for them by his agency, the oral reports they gave, etcÖ.

He tried to sound unbiased but you could tell he had absolutely no respect for the tribe. He misquoted what the 56 act said by inserting the word group or people in places where the act actually said Indians or tribe! This was clearly a political ploy to give the senators no indication that the government has in fact recognized the fact that Lumbees are Indian people.

The future for the Lumbee tribe in regards to federal recognition doesnít look very bright at all. I have absolutely no doubt that this bill will not even be voted on. With the name slandering and confusion caused most senators wonít even want to touch the issue! We are being railroaded in the congress and will no doubt receive the same treatment if we were to go through the BAR process.

In all actuality this process is very arbitrary. It is left in the hands of select individuals to determine if a criterion is met or not. How can this agency examine the facts and see the whole situation as it actually is if they already have a serious lack of respect for the tribe!

An example of the games they most definitely will play, would be their ruling that the 56 act precluded them from being allowed to process our petition in the first place. The ruling was ridiculous in its own right. The 56 act merely said that it in itself did not grant the tribe any rights or privileges. No where did it even come close to saying that we would be restricted from receiving them in the future. The arbitrariness and power that these select few individuals have is insane. They can approve or deny a tribe based only on the premises of what they feel like doing without any justification whatsoever!

It is not a matter of hiding something or being thoroughly studied that scares the tribe, if this were the case we would never have submitted a petition in the 80ís. We have serious concerns of how equitably we would be treated if we were to go through this process. And thatís the bottom line! Not to mention that precedent shows congressional action is the appropriate and just remedy in our situation!

In regards to these sugar cane country club groups, I understand where your coming from a lot more than you might realize. Take that Silver star Reed person who was mentioned a few posts back. She has organized what is known as the United Lumbee Nation of North Carolina and the US (or something like that) which is based in California (over 3,000 miles away from us), enrolls any and everybody, charges them for membership, and has now franchised into roughly 10 different states across the country. Cherokees are not the only ones that this sort of thing happens to!

The circumstances surrounding us are clearly different than the ones surrounding these people!
Perhaps the best remedy for this intertribal dispute would be found with open mindedness, education, understanding, and diplomacy rather than with an either/or tunnel visioned approach?
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I for one think that the BIA administrators couldn't find their but' from a hole in the ground. I think that most Tribes trying to regain or just gain their Fed. Rec. may need to do it in Court or Congress. Just my opinion. I don't think that many BIA Adm.s even know NDN history in general let alone a specific nation/peoples.

Here's my wish for good luck to the Lumbees.
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I ran into a guy out here at work the other day that said he was Cherokee from the United Lumbee Tribe!!! After I told him I lived close to Lumbeeland for almost 30 years, he wasn't sure what he was.


Good luck to the Lumbees in their endeavors.
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We have found a few different organizations, or whatever trying to link or associate with us, that United Lumbee Tribe thing, I have heard The Lumbee Tribe Texas Band, man we get all kinds of people here at the Tribal office, all the way from Cali. and can prove any leneage, no birth certificates, no nothing...its crazy...But its funny to...But thanks for the support...
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