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Old 04-27-2004, 07:40 PM   #1
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Medicine Wheel????

has anyone ever even heard of a ceremony like this? I'm thinking this is a bunch of new age stuff and I got a friend in CO who's saying she wants to attend. But to me it smells strongly of people like Sun Bear or Red Elk.... what do you guys think? I've only posted a small portion of what the website says.. enough to eitehr make you want to read or ignore, your choice. But the site has fancy color charts and graphs as well.




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Massive Medicine Wheel Ceremony

Set for May 8, 2004


- Peacekeepers Called to the Circle -



While dwelling amid the high mountains along the North American Continental Divide, Bennie LeBeau of the Eastern Shoshone tribe experienced a torrent of dreams and visions, especially in 1999. The visions directed him to set in motion the plans for a massive Medicine Wheel Ceremony.


Over the last year Bennie has become aware of many sharply distressing changes in both land and animals at Yellowstone National Park in Wyoming. These changes are becoming even more ominous right now, he says, and they have prodded him into direct action to bring his visions alive.


The huge Medicine Wheel Ceremony that Bennie envisions is intended to be a mass spiritual event. The ceremony is set to take place at High Noon on Saturday, May 8, 2004 at more than 20 sacred sites in the American West, and at many other sacred sites elsewhere around the world, including Australia, Ecuador, Guatemala, Ireland, Germany, and the Middle East.


The Grand Teton peaks in Wyoming -- The Four Grandmothers Standing Tall -- will serve as the center of this Medicine Wheel. The long spine of the Rocky Mountains runs roughly North and South in the Wheel; and the circumferance reaches from California deep into America's heartland. Simultaneous prayer ceremonies at other sacred sites around world will help to re-attune the web of subtle energy pathways that envelop planet earth.


"All nations, all peoples are invited to participate," Bennie says, adding, "all nations, all peoples are needed to work together on this -- the black, white, yellow, and red nations of Mother Earth."


A Medicine Wheel is an ancient spiritual tool with a history of widespread use all over Turtle Island (North America). Stones are set to mark the Four Directions of North, South, East and West, and also of other major points. In this manner, if done with knowledge and respect, a sacred space is defined. Within that space, the people can direct thoughts, feelings and actions toward a unified idea. The Medicine Wheel also helps people to be grounded physically, to properly orient to the Four Directions, and thus to have a clear sense of where they are. That foundation of stability gives a reliable base for high spiritual work.


"The Earth is drastically out of balance now," Bennie LeBeau says. "This Medicine Wheel ceremony will strive to re-set the basic tone -- or vibrational pattern -- of the West, and by extension help to re-attune the whole of the earth."


Message for Peacekeepers


I met Bennie LeBeau in Placitas, New Mexico on February 9, 2004. He had driven down from Wyoming to meet with some members of a group called the Spiritual Elders of Mother Earth, a network of indigenous people from 21 different tribes in North, Central, and South America.


The elders began coming together as a group in 1999 in response to the global crises of environment and culture. Their traditional teachings have long warned that such crises would arise.


The elders say they understand from their traditions that part of their original instructions as human beings was to serve as keepers of the Earth. They were also told that one day they would have to step forward in a time of extreme crisis and lead -- to educate people about how to restore balance -- for the survival of life on earth would depend upon them remembering and acting in a sacred manner.


Bennie LeBeau was born on the Wind River Reservation in Wyoming in 1950, and is an enrolled member of the Eastern Shoshone tribe. He served in the U.S. Air Force in Vietnam in the early 1970s. In the years after his military service, he supported himself mainly through outfitting, taking people out fishing and hunting in the mountains.


Bennie told me that he began to have visions when he was in his late 20s, while guiding hunters along the Continental Divide. He went to the local Medicine People to ask for help in understanding, but they were unable to offer interpretations. So Bennie lived with the visions.


Bennie said he eventually came to understand on his own what his dreams and visions meant: "The land is out of balance. The bio-electric energy of the earth is being profoundly scrambled and disturbed by mines, electric transmission lines, railroads, highways, damming of the rivers, and also from development of factories, trucks, cars and so forth. War is adding to this."


"It’s time to do something important, to reconnect the energy. So many sacred sites are not kept, not tended. But this is what is needed, for things are out of balance, out of harmony. It’s extreme now, and it's time to come together around this, the old ways and the new ways. Every human being has a stake in this, no matter their color or their spiritual tradition."


Talking with the Elders


To bring this massive, multi-tradition Medicine Wheel ceremony about, Bennie was inspired to travel and talk with representatives of the indigenous Nations near the waters and mountains of his vision, and also with other cultures. He began his journey in January, 2004. "I am to ask for assistance in re-activating these sacred sites," Bennie explained. "We must all do our parts as humans to bring about harmony."


On Feb. 10, 2004 -- the day after I met with him -- Bennie journeyed west from Placitas to the Turquoise Mountain (Mount Taylor near Grants, New Mexico). This is one of the sacred mountains that mark the Four Corners area of Turtle Island (North America). Turquoise Mountain is a massive dormant volcano, towering more than a mile above a vast desert plateau.


Turquoise Mountain (Mount Taylor, Grants, NM) from the South.

With Leon Secatero of the Canoncito Navajo, a Grand Elder for the Spiritual Elders of Mother Earth, and Red Eagle of the Cherokee Nation, Bennie visited with the traditional keepers of Turquoise Mountain: Navajo Grandfather Martin Martinez and his wife, Grandmother Janíce.


Bennie told them of his dreams and visions, and also of his plan. Grandfather Martin, who is in his 90s, was pleased to hear it. He told Bennie that his visions were in harmony with the Navajo teachings and prophecies that he keeps. He also mentioned that with his wife, Janíce, he had a vision of a multi-tradition ceremony to be held near a holy spring on Turquoise Mountain. They wanted to realize their vision.


As it happens, in the context of the 600-mile radius of the Medicine Wheel of Bennie LeBeau's vision, the Turquoise Mountain of New Mexico is in the South position -- the South Mountain.


In the Medicine Wheel teachings of Turtle Island the South is a direction sometimes represented by Mouse. Mouse is so small and defenseless against the rest of the world that he must rely on trust and instinct to live. Much larger forces of Spirit are at work in the world, and Mouse understands how humble a creature he is in relation to all this. But good and surprising things can happen when trust leads Mouse to make a bold move for survival, guided by Spirit.


"This was prophesied a long time ago," Grandfather Martinez told Bennie and the other elders. "I am glad you have come and taken responsibility to be a messenger."
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Old 04-27-2004, 09:02 PM   #2
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Nope, never heard of it. Sounds pretty new age to me.
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Old 04-27-2004, 11:11 PM   #3
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From what I understand from what I have read about this guy I think the "new age" -" well your soul for a buck" - "weirdo" type mentality. He is one that may have started out good but has let the almighty dollar pervert and ba$tardize anything that is meant for good.
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Interesting

Very Interesting Indeed.

At the moment I have to say that I can't make an opinion to the Right or Left on this matter. Some things make sense and some do not. If he has actually consulted with Tribal Elders from both North and South America then who knows as he may be combining multiple common ideas from Tribes from Canada to Chile?

But, I am curious as to why May 8, 2004 was the date chosen. One would think that at least one of the Equinox or Solstice dates for this Hemisphere would have been chosen?
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A very nice person PMed me and confirmed what I thought.. this is not the real deal... fraud of course. Thanks!
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Sounds like a scam to me.
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Yup new age crappola - they're placing crystals for cripe's sakes - that's the tip-off for me - yikes!
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Not to dash water on your fire. I believe myself that "The Medicine Wheel Theory" is valid. But what do I know.?? But perhaps this Nam vet is really on the level. But maybe his interpretation is flawed. Quite easily accomplished I believe. He seems to me to be hard after the acts he is advocating. But May being the date, would likely be an inappropriate date. I give the guy credit.!! He giving 1 hell of a try to realize, what his beliefs are and the path he is on. Can anyone truely fault him for that.?? Visions seem to me to be visions. Can you posters really recall your last one or any. If your not interested in participation W/ his program, give him the black ball, and bow out. Nothing ventured , nothing gained. WE'll hear the ah oh's soon enough. IMO GES
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Not to dash water on your fire. I believe myself that "The Medicine Wheel Theory" is valid. But what do I know.?? But perhaps this Nam vet is really on the level. But maybe his interpretation is flawed. Quite easily accomplished I believe. He seems to me to be hard after the acts he is advocating. But May being the date, would likely be an inappropriate date. I give the guy credit.!! He giving 1 hell of a try to realize, what his beliefs are and the path he is on. Can anyone truely fault him for that.?? Visions seem to me to be visions. Can you posters really recall your last one or any. If your not interested in participation W/ his program, give him the black ball, and bow out. Nothing ventured , nothing gained. WE'll hear the ah oh's soon enough. IMO GES
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A very nice person PMed me and confirmed what I thought.. this is not the real deal... fraud of course. Thanks!

Hmm... is all I can say to this whole thing and now that someome has confirmed that it is a scam then we no longer have to wonder and can move on..

I think sometimes people read more into thier dreams than what is really there becasue they have a void in thier lives which they feel they need to fill, then they open themselves to falsehoods and beliefs that really dont exist, or they stretch the truth of such beliefs to fit thier own beliefs and are taken advantage of by other people who want to make a profit or gain recognition. We are all warned of false prophets, healers,ect, and so we must be very careful when we come into contact with people that claim to have been given special powers so that we Do NOT subject ourselves to such falsities and therefore making us weak in our own thinking, standards and values.
People so often take what is good and sacred and twist the wisdom found in old teachings to fit into modern times... but old ways are not meant to fit into modern times but to be lived by at the fullest of ones ability disregarding those New age actions and beliefs, thats what is known as faith and true dedication to ones traditions values and beliefs.
Im just gald that there are still alot of us out there that can decifer between what is false and what is real and warn the rest of such s that thier own sprits do not suffer.
Maybe i dont make sense i dunno, but i think its worng to use such beliefs in such a way, or to make up such beliefs.
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[QUOTE=Blackbear]has anyone ever even heard of a ceremony like this? I'm thinking this is a bunch of new age stuff and I got a friend in CO who's saying she wants to attend. But to me it smells strongly of people like Sun Bear or Red Elk.... what do you guys think? I've only posted a small portion of what the website says.. enough to eitehr make you want to read or ignore, your choice. But the site has fancy color charts and graphs as well.

With Leon Secatero of the Canoncito Navajo, a Grand Elder for the Spiritual Elders of Mother Earth, and Red Eagle of the Cherokee Nation, Bennie visited with the traditional keepers of Turquoise Mountain: Navajo Grandfather Martin Martinez and his wife, Grandmother Janíce.
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I have never heard of any of these people. "Red Eagle of the Cherokee Nation"? Has anyone ever heard of this person? Where is he/she from? What is this organization called "Spiritual Elders of Mother Earth?" These are the things setting off my "New Age Detector."
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Why isn't a Whack Thread like this closed or locked????
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Its called choice

[QUOTE=Blackbear]enough to eitehr make you want to read or ignore, your choice.

Cant lock something down that We have a choice in vewing or not...if it offends then stay away,, if it peaks curiosity then read for more info... then post your input, 2 cents.. lol
Ahh the freedom of speech and thinking..
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enough to eitehr make you want to read or ignore, your choice.

Cant lock something down that We have a choice in vewing or not...if it offends then stay away,, if it peaks curiosity then read for more info... then post your input, 2 cents.. lol
Ahh the freedom of speech and thinking..
If this peaks curiousity in you well need I even say more.........
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If this peaks curiousity in you well need I even say more.........
LMAO we both came in here didnt we?? rofl Do I need to say More?
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Old 11-22-2004, 02:48 PM   #16
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I've seen this before; a lady who claims to be native here locally forwarded this to me a few months ago, it went straight to my trash. It definately cries of new-age crappola!!!
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ok let me elaborate on what I was told... that this ceremony is a real one that is performed, but the guy who is doing it cannot possibly be doing it correctly as that he is not one of those that was given the right or the knowledge of how to do this.

Maybe he is one who read about this ceremony and is trying to do it himself, or even witnessed a real ceremony. The fact he is advertising this to do it on a grand scale is the biggest red flag to folks that he has ulterior motives to his given reasons for attempting to perform this ceremony.
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