[superndngyrl]

hey... what about natives having babies with natives of other tribes? Here in Oklahoma everyone is about 10 different tribes and the quantum requirement for most tribes is 1/4. So what do you think about someone who is fullblood but has less than 1/4 in any tribe?

[Blackbear]

I think that this quantum thing being less with each different tribe married crap has to stop. our lines are either matrilineal or patrilineal so why is it if you are full (just an example) Osage and you marry a full Otoe.. both are patrilineal.. how does this make the kids a half anything? Nationality not race right? Go with who the father is and they are full blooded that with ancestry in the other tribe. Who the hell made that rule up anyhow? Please tell me it was'nt the natives....

[WocusWoman]

The problems lie of course with the Federal Govt. and the Bureau of Indian Affairs. They make these requirements, so that we will breed ourselves out of existance. Of course I'm one of those people that is several different tribes, but only practice and claim the one where I grew up knowing. Until tribes start to smartin up; they will continue to get smaller and smaller, until "natives" are only in the history books.

[goodgirl]

wocus, what do you think can/should be done about it? should there just be a generic "native" designation sted money going to each different tribe? and all people with say 1/4 or 1/8 native blood just split the govt money equally?

seems the govt can make anything complicated, even lurve. :p

[Kiwehnzii]

Who cares who you marry/date? Yer gonna do it anyways, no matter what we say. We ain't nothing when the time comes for you to decide.

There are some advantages when you don't have the "Indian look."

Storekeepers don't follow you all over makin' sure you don't steal.
You have a better chance of placing at powwows in Ohio and Pennsylvania.
The whole pool don't clear out when you go swimming at the hotel.
It's easier to rent an apartment.
You can go into a redneck bar undetected.
You can spy on BIA talks.
Jobs are easier to get.
You can get school funding and nobody in your class'll be none the wiser.

So........... go for it. Your kids may not get the whole Native culture thing down, but, hey, at least they'll have the above advantages.

Only you can decide.

[3ndnbear]

Originally Posted by badmaninc

If you can't marry for love at least make sure the other person is wealthy and wants to take care of you financially. That way you could go to powwows every weekend.

AWESOME~ LOL~

[Pokiehonkie]

Eh, I can't help it.

I love the blue eyes, dark hair combination.

And besides, I totally agree with others on this thread that Native men need to clean up their act. That whole 420, beer run, whoring around **** gets old after college. GROW UP! GET A JOB! WASH THE DAMN DISHES!

(Plus, as I've said before, half the peeps in my village are my cousins, lol. )

[Gache]

Well 80% of natives marry non-natives in 9 generations there wont be anymore indians. Unless indian men start acting like indian men, indian women have at least 7 children or everyone starts marrying other indians.

Besides most indians dont follow their own culture anymore or even speak their language is there really a point anymore to being indian.

Im really tired of seing slutty, alcohol drinking, ghetto wannabees talking of preserving culture when they dont even know how to say their own tribal name in their own damn language.

For God's sakes! Why are indians acting like whites or blacks!
Indians have so much to be proud of! We have our own culture our own language our own look, our own world view we dont need anyone elses to be a success in this world!

Im sorry off the soap box now

[badmaninc]

Originally Posted by Gache

Well 80% of natives marry non-natives in 9 generations there wont be anymore indians. Unless indian men start acting like indian men, indian women have at least 7 children or everyone starts marrying other indians.

Besides most indians dont follow their own culture anymore or even speak their language is there really a point anymore to being indian.

Im really tired of seing slutty, alcohol drinking, ghetto wannabees talking of preserving culture when they dont even know how to say their own tribal name in their own damn language.

For God's sakes! Why are indians acting like whites or blacks!
Indians have so much to be proud of! We have our own culture our own language our own look, our own world view we dont need anyone elses to be a success in this world!

Im sorry off the soap box now

Dude, stop beating around the bush and tell us what you really think.

[Stone wolf]

Drugs and alcohol is a problem for all the four races, men and women. I speak from being a member in AA and MA. Everyone is under pressure, with a bad job market, and familys seem to fall apart all over. It is important for peoples to stay together for heritage identity and to remember our elders of the past. I find white women, shallow and needy, insearch of a dream. As a white dude, I enjoy nature, all my relations, sweats, and powwows. Not too many ladies of my race feel like I do. I am drawn to the Native American spiritual ideals, as a visitor. I do spend alot of time walking the walk, of tending the path. I too see alot of nature wanna-be's. When I suggest, 'Let's go for a hike and pick up litter', thats the end of that. Same thing when I say, I dont drink. I think love is where it works. Respect and communication, along with values.

[wolfwind]

You are SO RIGHT!

[Joe G]

Exceptable???? Fruedian slip??? those are unacceptable!!!!

[CandaePrincess]

Originally Posted by Stone wolf

Drugs and alcohol is a problem for all the four races, men and women.

Yeah, but the problem with natives is the amount of natives (census wise) in the United States. Based on the amount of natives that die every year (This is based on SAMHSA info./Prog. in many native tribes) if we were to flip that in terms of white people it would be 1.2 white people a year dying. That would be considered a catastrophe. The gov't would be doing everything they could to fix it. Native American suicide, alcoholism, spousal abuse, diabetes, heart disease, child abuse and drug addiction are double and in some cases (suicide, alcoholism) triple the rate of other races (which is insane b/c there are more people in the other races). Even in one of my college classes a professor asked if anyone knew why alcoholism was so prevalent in natives (everyone laughed and of course looked at me since I was the only native in there). No one knew it was b/c of a lackin gene which causes the addiction.

If people took the time to learn about natives as much as they want to learn about the dancing, sweats, beadwork, oroutftis.....maybe we would look more human, and in need of help, patience and understanding.

[Blackbear]

Originally Posted by CandaePrincess

No one knew it was b/c of a lackin gene which causes the addiction.

You know, that lack of a gene in our stomach is a myth. They actually have found no physical evidence why it's prevalent in native communities.
On one group we discussed this and it was thought maybe it was because of environment. Most countries were drinking is part of the culture have almost a protocal of acceptable behaviors when drinking or drunk.
I know that sounds like a load of bull, but if you think about it, you'll notice how some folks act when drinking from bar to bar even. Since our cultures did'nt have drinking, we could still be reacting the way our ancestors that first tasted alchohol did.

[Kiwehnzii]

What does this have to do with Natives humping white folks?

[Joe G]

Originally Posted by Kiwehnzii

What does this have to do with Natives humping white folks?

Maybe we always get drunk first???? j/k j/k j/k

[WocusWoman]

Really, it's all excuses that folks use as to why they can't go out and find another appropriate native to love and pro-create with. I have to admit I had to search awhile for the right man, and move 2000+ miles to be with him; but where both native, our kids are native, we are all proud of who we are, and it was worth it to me to wait and find "the right man."

[Blackbear]

Originally Posted by Kiwehnzii

What does this have to do with Natives humping white folks?

Just a little fact so it can't be used as an excuse.

[alamosaurus]

Marriage is a gamble at best..among ANY ethnic group. But
a marriage is more likely to succeed if it is with someone of
your own religion and culture. This does not mean that there
are not people from other racial or ethnic groups that you
would not be compatible with, nor does it mean that you
could have a bad marriage within your own ethnic group. It
is just more likely that you will have a good marriage if it is
with someone who shares your own cultural values.

[ajidamoo]

I believe a relationship does have a better chance if both people have a similar background, traditionally speaking. I know from experience. I don't think it's wrong to be with a non-native, but sometimes I think our ancestors might have something else in mind.