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Old 04-27-2004, 05:21 PM   #21
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MR. RUMAKI......I most certainly did NOT refer to my family as riff raff....I replied to YOUR choice of words referring to those specifically 1/8 or less...and that includes my family members.With that cleared up; I agree with you as to the rest of your point.....beyond that begins to be a grey area. Jus had to correct you on that LOL :) Maybe u were being funny to begin with???? dunno :)
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MR. RUMAKI......I most certainly did NOT refer to my family as riff raff....I replied to YOUR choice of words referring to those specifically 1/8 or less...and that includes my family members.With that cleared up; I agree with you as to the rest of your point.....beyond that begins to be a grey area. Jus had to correct you on that LOL :) Maybe u were being funny to begin with???? dunno :)
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I don't know how I feel about this either. I'm only half and on our rez you have to be 1/2 Potawatomi from our tribe in order to be enrolled. If you are less, you have to be voted in to be adopted by the eligible voting members. They want to lower our quantum to 1/4 and I really don't agree with it because a lot of people are only coming back to the rez because of per cap and the houses we are building. But then again, if I don't stay on the rez and I have children, my children will not be enrolled members. It has its good points and its bad points. I just hope tribes realize the kind of situations they can get into with lowering the blood quantum and having to provide more and more services.
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Old 04-27-2004, 08:28 PM   #24
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would'nt it kinda also broaden the gene pool though? If more of them come back even if it's because of this or that, there is more enrolled potowatami to marry potowatomi right?
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I aint Dine' BUT my tribe recently went from 1/4 to 1/8 I trully do not like it..sure I got family members that are more white or whatever else than Comanche...its not my fault. Now that our blood quauntum is lower, we have blonde hair blue eyed people coming into our houseing authority demanding houses...while a lot of my elders are being left out...Got them people coming to our tribal headquarters taking advantage of all our tribal things.....


Ima stop there....
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would'nt it kinda also broaden the gene pool though? If more of them come back even if it's because of this or that, there is more enrolled potowatami to marry potowatomi right?
Yeah but when your related to everyone, it kind of defeats that purpose.
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I don't know how I feel about this either. I'm only half and on our rez you have to be 1/2 Potawatomi from our tribe in order to be enrolled. If you are less, you have to be voted in to be adopted by the eligible voting members. They want to lower our quantum to 1/4 and I really don't agree with it because a lot of people are only coming back to the rez because of per cap and the houses we are building. But then again, if I don't stay on the rez and I have children, my children will not be enrolled members. It has its good points and its bad points. I just hope tribes realize the kind of situations they can get into with lowering the blood quantum and having to provide more and more services.

I just had a question for ya, I'm not starting nothing, no arguements, but do you think that 1/4 is nothing then? Why cut people out? For more money for the other people that have more blood? Why be geedy bout it, don't you want to provide services for all your people?
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I aint Dine' BUT my tribe recently went from 1/4 to 1/8 I trully do not like it..sure I got family members that are more white or whatever else than Comanche...its not my fault. Now that our blood quauntum is lower, we have blonde hair blue eyed people coming into our houseing authority demanding houses...while a lot of my elders are being left out...Got them people coming to our tribal headquarters taking advantage of all our tribal things.....


Ima stop there....
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I just had a question for ya, I'm not starting nothing, no arguements, but do you think that 1/4 is nothing then? Why cut people out? For more money for the other people that have more blood? Why be geedy bout it, don't you want to provide services for all your people?
I don't think 1/4 is nothing and it's not about the money. I could care less about the money. But the people that are wanting to come back are only coming back to the rez for the money and the houses. They are the ones who want to be adopted so they can get per cap. I just don't think it's right. Some of these people are the people who wouldn't even admit they were Indian, now they want the whole world to know. There are a few who want to be a member of the tribe because they believe in their culture..but we know that's not always true.

That's okay it was a question...no arguments here girl. I respect your questions and opinions.
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Smeishiguad. I know what ya mean now. Before my tribe got our federal recon there was only a group of us that were around and all the elders that did the work. But after all these "new ndns" came around wanted $$$ and services. I'm like where were they before. They are the ones running our name into the ground. So all the ones including myself try to stay away. But I work for them. So it's kinda hard. Ya gotta get involved in order to have input. So now all of us origanal ones are suffering in the hands of the new ones. It makes me so mad!
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[QUOTE=Smeshigaud]But the people that are wanting to come back are only coming back to the rez for the money and the houses. They are the ones who want to be adopted so they can get per cap. QUOTE]

Would you adopt me, Auntie? :rofl2: J/K

I can see that happening. I've seen it with the Saginaw Chips.

I think they're toughening up on membership requirements there tho'.
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My opinion I think they should close our membership and open it every ten years. Except newborns. Has nothing to do with blood quant. I just think these people that enroll are 30-50 yrs old and they had their whole life to enroll why do it now? For the services.
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Smeishiguad. I know what ya mean now. Before my tribe got our federal recon there was only a group of us that were around and all the elders that did the work. But after all these "new ndns" came around wanted $$$ and services. I'm like where were they before. They are the ones running our name into the ground. So all the ones including myself try to stay away. But I work for them. So it's kinda hard. Ya gotta get involved in order to have input. So now all of us origanal ones are suffering in the hands of the new ones. It makes me so mad!
That's how a lot of people here in Hannahville feel too. They lived here all their lives and see what's going on. I mean..they are decendents, but as you stated..where were they before. There are a few people here who think the rolls should be closed too. Just like Mt. Pleasant and Forest County are doing. :dontknow: Who knows what will happen.
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That's how a lot of people here in Hannahville feel too. They lived here all their lives and see what's going on. I mean..they are decendents, but as you stated..where were they before. There are a few people here who think the rolls should be closed too. Just like Mt. Pleasant and Forest County are doing. :dontknow: Who knows what will happen.

Forest county is doing that too? Well I'm pokagon. I wonder if prarie and citizen bands doing the same thing? I know that some of citizen bands member can enroll in ours. By madiline bertrand, which was native married to french man. Until the removeal. Cuz the trail of death started in our area. And all these people have the nerve now to come and say I want this I want that. It would be fine if they weren't so GREEDY (lol) not geedy.
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....well, I can see this got WAY off track....but, it's a nice discussion as it pertains to other tribes and how they feel about their own blood quantum thingies.

Here's the latest I got on the Navajo end of it and how it faired in the Coucil's review of the legislation.

The legislation sponsored by Ervin Keeswood, Council delegate from Hogback, N.M, to reduce the blood quantum level requirements to be considered Navajo to one-eighth failed by a vote of 18 in favor and 44 opposed. The change in the law required only a simple majority vote.

The current required blood quantum level is one-fourth.

The legislation was the last item voted on by the 20th Navajo Nation Council at Thursday’s session. The Council recessed at 7:55 p.m. after voting the legislation down.

An earlier attempt by LoRenzo Bates, Council delegate from Upper Fruitland, N.M., to table the legislation until the Fall Session also failed by a vote of 26 in favor and 37 opposed.

The Bates motion included stipulations that Keeswood research more information about the possible effects such a reduction would have on the Navajo Nation.

After the final vote, Keeswood thanked the delegates for considering the legislation.
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this is the first time im kinda proud of the council... they probably screwed it up on the bond issue though and staying within thier budget and not dipping in to the designated reserves

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