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Old 10-23-2012, 12:40 PM   #1
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New eagle feather policy 2012

Just ahead of Native American Heritage Month, the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) is issuing policies about a quintessential Native icon—the eagle—whose sacred and cultural uses, some contend, shouldn’t be under the government’s control at all, or if so, only marginally.

Nevertheless, rules clarifying American Indians’ use of eagle feathers and parts were issued on October 12 by the U.S. Attorney General’s office after more than a year of tribal meetings and consultation.

“A liaison—an Indian person who is a tribal member—would be in order rather than the government determining who gets the feathers and how they’re distributed,” said Antonio Kanip, Ute Indian Tribe of Fort Duchesne, Utah, who is a chief of the Bear Dance, a spring ceremony of the Ute nations. He does feel the government has a role in prosecuting those selling eagle feathers.

Kenny Frost, Sun Dance chief for the Southern Ute Indian Tribe, Ignacio, Colorado, said he doesn’t believe the government should be in charge of eagle feathers, but that it is the reality today.

“In the ideal world, it would be up to Native people [to distribute eagle feathers] because we’d know what to do and we only take what we need,” he said. But, he added, at present Native people are “kind of bound” by the system. He, too, agreed with the need to prosecute those who market eagle feathers or parts.

While DOJ officials stress that the rules mainly simplify existing complex issues, some changes may reflect a different perspective.

For example, if disapproved eagle practices occur, “the policy encourages prosecutors to consider whether particular cases would be more appropriately handled by tribal prosecutorial authorities,” a DOJ spokesman said. In addition, the DOJ is providing a joint federal/tribal training program next week in South Carolina on the enforcement of wildlife and other environmental laws.

Both Frost and Kanip talked about the need to streamline existing policy under which feathers are obtained by members of federally recognized Indian tribes from the National Eagle Repository near Denver, where lengthy delays are common and birds and their parts may be damaged or adversely affected by their time in storage and transit.

The DOJ memo’s inclusion of a potential tribal alternative to mainstream adjudication mirrors the transfer of a sacramental eagle-kill case on the Northern Arapaho reservation from federal to tribal court (United States of America v. Winslow Friday) but it likely would not address current intertribal issues between the Northern Arapaho and Eastern Shoshone, who share the same Wind River, Wyoming reservation yet disagree about whether eagles should be killed.

The policy released on Friday—described as “solely for the purpose of internal guidance” in a DOJ statement—doesn’t address or change the way in which the department handles cases of those who are not members of federally recognized tribes, including non-Indians or members of state-recognized tribes or other groups or organizations.

“The [DOJ] is committed to striking the right balance in enforcing our nation’s wildlife laws by respecting the cultural and religious practices of federally recognized Indian tribes with whom the United States shares a unique government-to-government relationship,” Attorney General Eric Holder said in the DOJ statement. The DOJ also noted that the policy statement was formulated to address tribal members’ uncertainty about some federal wildlife law enforcement efforts.

According to the newly issued rules, a member of a federally recognized tribe may generally possess eagle parts without a permit and engage in the following activities without being subject to prosecution:

Possess, carry, use or wear the feathers or parts of federally protected birds

Travel domestically with federally protected bird parts and, with required permits, travel internationally with them

Pick up naturally molted or fallen feathers found in the wild, without disturbing federally protected birds or nests

Give or loan federally protected bird parts to other members of federally recognized tribes, as long as it does not involve receiving compensation

Exchange such bird parts with other members of federally recognized tribes, again without compensation

Provide such bird parts to craftspersons who are members of federally recognized tribes to be fashioned into objects for eventual use in tribal religious or cultural activities

As described in a DOJ summary of tribal consultation, government control over eagles was called into question, recalling a statement by Harvey Spoonhunter, at the time the chairman of the Northern Arapaho Tribe, at a 2010 summit convened by the Colorado Commission of Indian Affairs.

Spoonhunter asked attendees to consider that even during the Prohibition era, churches could use sacramental wine and “didn’t have to wait five years to get it like we do to get eagle feathers” from the FWS-run Eagle Repository near Denver and have to have a permit to practice religion. However, the DOJ said in current consultation that to ”move away from the permit system altogether” was outside the scope of DOJ’s policy.

Another controversial provision of the policy is reflected in the repeated use of the terms “members of federally recognized tribes” and the “unique government-to-government relationship,” a distinction to which some tribal officials and members objected. They offered a wide range of opinions, including calling for a CDIB or tribal membership ID, or both; for including all Indigenous Peoples in the U.S.; for including only those with DNA “proof,” and several others.

The DOJ said basing the “proposed policy on race or ethnicity, or on a claim or assessment of ‘legitimate’ religious need, would be inappropriate” and would diminish the supply of feathers and other parts available to members of federally recognized tribes, in turn doing a disservice to the government’s compelling interest in protecting the religion and culture of federally recognized tribes (as in United States v. Wilgus, 10th Circuit Court, 2011).

The memo issued by the DOJ covers all birds—not solely eagles—protected under federal law, including the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act; the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918; the Lacey Act, which protects plants and wildlife from criminal acts, and the Endangered Species Act, as well as by executive orders and the Morton Policy, with which the DOJ policy now aligns.

The Morton Policy is the Department of the Interior’s program for safeguarding protected birds, including outlawing their killing and the commercial use of their parts, crimes investigated by the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), BIA and DOJ officials.
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It's nice that naturally molted feathers can now be picked up without risking prison. As for the rest-I think the Feds should just back out of this unless outright abuses are documented.
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Perhaps someone can please tell me why anyone, anyone at all, would want to take one single feather away from this beautiful raptor.......

Eagles are sacred....they are sacred to this land,,,,,our people......our culture.
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Perhaps someone can please tell me why anyone, anyone at all, would want to take one single feather away from this beautiful raptor.......

Eagles are sacred....they are sacred to this land,,,,,our people......our culture.
Well , as a Tradish , I'm thinking that Tail would sure make a nice fan !
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Symbol of the oppressor?
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You're sick leave the bird alone.
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You know , I love seeing eagles. I love what they represent. I like being able to build things using feathers. They are beautiful. I just went through my feather boxes and built about 7 wing fans out of left over feathers. Not because I need them , but because somewhere out there is a young man who needs one. I am blessed to have 2 nice bustles of my own. Doesn't mean if I get another set of wings (next Dec./Jan)) that I won't build another ! Oh yeah, I've built around 10 bustles in my life.
In another thread you wrote , thanking me for helping out a fellow. You didn't know it but some of the feathers he has , I gave him. They are Eagles and just about any Indian dancer, that needed it , would turn that eagle into regalia if given the opportunity.
That's o.k. ! I guess I'm sick !
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He's not going to kill the bird to get the feathers.

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Does that help?
Thank you for the info.
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It's nice that naturally molted feathers can now be picked up without risking prison. As for the rest-I think the Feds should just back out of this unless outright abuses are documented.
That gotta be nice I got whacked on the head with falcon feathers here.
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Man I really like you guys already. Zeke.....I like your short but brief replies. Too funny. Anyway, I am enjoying talking to each of you in here. I respect your opinions and you should know that I take respect seriously. Especially with natives.

Anyway, I can understand the thoughts one may have with regards to feathers. Especially eagle feathers. I mean, what about grizzly claws? They represent something to natives besides getting slashed! lol The point I was trying to make was, we must conserve to. Eagles are not in high supply these days despite what some say and are a protected species. No one has a right to hunt them or kill them. Even on a res. They can get in serious trouble. I have heard of people being arrested by the feds for this and hauled in. Sure they made bail and got out, but the eagle is dead and his feathers useless as the animal is destroyed once the feds are done with their investigation. Federal Wildlife Investigators take this stuff seriously and won't think twice arresting someone for killing an eagle in this country.



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I have heard of people being arrested by the feds for this and hauled in. Sure they made bail and got out, but the eagle is dead and his feathers useless as the animal is destroyed once the feds are done with their investigation. Federal Wildlife Investigators take this stuff seriously and won't think twice arresting someone for killing an eagle in this country.
Noooo , The bird gets sent to The National Eagle Repository , where it then gets sent to natives in need of feathers !
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Noooo , The bird gets sent to The National Eagle Repository , where it then gets sent to natives in need of feathers !
I would check with the Federal Wildlife Management wardancer. When ever a eagle is killed, I am told it will be destroyed period. Unless, the feds decide to turn it over to a taxidermist who can preserve the raptor in its original form. Perhaps on a res what you said may happen, but I seriously doubt it. I could be wrong, but base my statements on what a FWM agent said to me. This was years ago though and again I may be wrong. BTW I like your profile pic very much. Did you say this was a relative from the past? I thought I read that somewhere in here. Anyway, Peace.......


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How does the National Eagle Repository get the eagles?

The National Eagle Repository serves as a collection point for dead eagles. Most of the dead golden and bald eagles received by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) have been salvaged by State and Federal wildlife personnel. Many of these birds have died as a result of electrocution, vehicle collisions, unlawful shooting and trapping, or from natural causes.

The eagles are shipped to the National Eagle Repository at the Rocky Mountain Arsenal National Wildlife Refuge in Denver, Colorado. Each bird is assigned a number for tracking and accountability purposes, and information about each bird is entered into a database. The condition of each eagle and their feathers is noted, and the species and age is recorded. If part of the bird or its feathers are missing, damaged, or broken, FWS staff may add replacement parts from another bird to make it complete. (The recipient is notified when this is the case prior to shipping). The bird is then stored in a freezer until it is ready to ship, usually within 3-5 days.
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How does the National Eagle Repository get the eagles?

The National Eagle Repository serves as a collection point for dead eagles. Most of the dead golden and bald eagles received by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) have been salvaged by State and Federal wildlife personnel. Many of these birds have died as a result of electrocution, vehicle collisions, unlawful shooting and trapping, or from natural causes.

The eagles are shipped to the National Eagle Repository at the Rocky Mountain Arsenal National Wildlife Refuge in Denver, Colorado. Each bird is assigned a number for tracking and accountability purposes, and information about each bird is entered into a database. The condition of each eagle and their feathers is noted, and the species and age is recorded. If part of the bird or its feathers are missing, damaged, or broken, FWS staff may add replacement parts from another bird to make it complete. (The recipient is notified when this is the case prior to shipping). The bird is then stored in a freezer until it is ready to ship, usually within 3-5 days.
http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/law/eagle/

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Thank you for the excellent post and clarification. My post was based upon outdated material.

Your Grandfather must have been a great man. :)
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