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Old 12-12-2011, 02:56 PM   #1
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Over looked Cherokee document

This document is about the cherokee after returning from England wishing to live near Roanoke River in Virginia's eastern areas and calling the saponi, nottoway, and tuscarora their brothers. It is dated 1734 from virginia court records. These cherokee if they lived in the roanoke river area or anywhere on the Eastern NC/Va areas would never had been a part of the Cherokee that was removed in the 1800's since this area does not pertain to the lands in the removal acts.


EXECUTIVE JOURNALS



OF THE



Council of Colonial Virginia

Vol. IV

(October 25, 1721-October 28, 1739)

December the 11 th 1734

Three of the Great Men of the Cherrikee Indians attended by di-
verse others of that Nation this day desired to be admitted to offer cer-
tain Proposals to the Governor and Council & being accordingly admitted
they said that all the Lands in this part of America once belong'd to
them but now it is King George's, & his Subjects may now use it as
freely as any of their Nation us'd to do that they look upon themselves
also to be King George's Subjects & to be as Brethren to the Saponies
Tuskaroroes Nottoways & other Indians living amongst the English that
he the person who spoke for them was told so by the King when he
went to England with S r Alexander Cumming That they come hither
now to see the Governor of Virginia as their Friends & to propose a
nearer Correspondence with the People of this Colony & are therefore
desirous to Settle on a Branch of Roanoke River that from thence
they may enjoy the Conveniency of a free Trade with this Colony They
were answered that [they] may Trade here with all freedom so long as
they continue in Peace & Friendship with his Majesties Subjects but as



344 Executive Journals, Councils of Colonial Virginia



to their removing to Roanoke it did not seem so convenient for the Hunt-
ing because they might frequently be disturbd by the Northern Indians
who Hunt Yearly thereabouts whereupon they Signified that they were
very desirous to make peace with the Northern Indians if they cou'd
find means to propose it, The Governor then told them he wou'd write
to the Governor of New York to treat of a peace with the Cherrikee
Nation & wou'd endeavour to procure a safe Conduct for their Agents
to Repair to the Northern Indians to that Purpose And then having
acquainted them that he had prepared presents for them as a Testimony
of the Friendship of this Colony toward their Nation they withdrew

Ordered

That the Interpreter who attend cd the Cherrikee Indians be paid
five Pistoles for his trouble & Service therein


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At a Council held at the Capitol June 13 th 1733

The Indians of the Sapony & Nottoway Indians this day attended
the Gov r in Council & represented that in Order to put an end to the
Hostilities between them they had entred into Terms of peace & amity
in which the Tuscarooro Indians were willing to be included & it is this
day agreed between them that the great Men of the Sapony & Nottoway
Nations meet at the Tuscarooro Town & there conclude a peace amongst
themselves & at the request of the Saponies Leave is granted them to
incorporate with the Tuscarooro's if they see fit upon this Condition
that Neither of the s d Nations do presume to hunt upon any Patented
Lands within this Government nor come amongst the Inhabitants in
any greater Number than three in a Company and Leave is also granted
the said Saponies to remain where they now are until their Corn be
gathered in and then if they do not cohabit with the Tuscarooro's that
they remove to some place without the Inhabitants between Roanoke &
Appamatox rivers where a Sufficient Tract of Land shall be assign'd
them according to the former directions of this Board. And it is ordered
that M r R* Hix do attend the s d Saponies in their present Treaty with
the Tuscarooro's & report to this Board the Conditions of the peace
concluded between them.
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Actually the Cherokees that make up the Eastern Band were living in North Carolina and were not subject to the Removal act either. They stayed together as a Tribal unit and eventually were recognized in 1848 as a seperate Band. The area is called the Qualla Boundry. After 150 years the two tribes that were split met at each others council. Although seperated by miles and miles we are one and the same tribe we still speak the same language and share the same culture. And even more importantly we have common kinfolk!
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Actually the Cherokees that make up the Eastern Band were living in North Carolina and were not subject to the Removal act either. They stayed together as a Tribal unit and eventually were recognized in 1848 as a seperate Band. The area is called the Qualla Boundry. After 150 years the two tribes that were split met at each others council. Although seperated by miles and miles we are one and the same tribe we still speak the same language and share the same culture. And even more importantly we have common kinfolk!
Exactly. If you look into alot of the other Cherokee tribes that spread out...not all but alot of them. you'll see the same names as the Federal cherokee carry. You'll see these tribes listed as cherokee all the way back before 1900's. Alot of them are like the brother and sisters of people that was listed on rolls to the Federal Cherokee. Yet they can't enroll with the Federal cherokee because you have to be direct descendant from someone listed on those rolls.... example is is 2 cherokee could of had 10 kids only 2 kids end up listed on them rolls for whatever reason....well those other 8 cherokee kids don't show up on the rolls....so their descendants even though the same blood....don't get to enroll in the federal cherokee. There is also records all over the place of various cherokee not even being removed. that record above proves some cherokee was moving to the Eastern sides of Va and nc and even shows they was even traveling up to alabany, NY.

I bumped one of your old posts to show that even you noticed some stuff like that in rolls with the cherokee.
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Exactly. If you look into alot of the other Cherokee tribes that spread out...not all but alot of them. you'll see the same names as the Federal cherokee carry. You'll see these tribes listed as cherokee all the way back before 1900's. Alot of them are like the brother and sisters of people that was listed on rolls to the Federal Cherokee. Yet they can't enroll with the Federal cherokee because you have to be direct descendant from someone listed on those rolls.... example is is 2 cherokee could of had 10 kids only 2 kids end up listed on them rolls for whatever reason....well those other 8 cherokee kids don't show up on the rolls....so their descendants even though the same blood....don't get to enroll in the federal cherokee. There is also records all over the place of various cherokee not even being removed. that record above proves some cherokee was moving to the Eastern sides of Va and nc and even shows they was even traveling up to alabany, NY.

I bumped one of your old posts to show that even you noticed some stuff like that in rolls with the cherokee.
Some stuff is the key word
Not whole tribes
Yes I know cases where some people fell through the cracks
But that dont make a whole tribe we are not talking thousands of people here
And you keep quoting stuff from the 1700's
The Baker roll that the Eastern Cherokee was done in 1924!
You would think the "Lost" Cherokee would have come back to visit and check to see if anybody was still chasing them!

Qouting me to further your argument is not flattery by the way its Rude!
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what ever happened to Unity. some of our Greatest native warriors in tribes all over america taught the importance of unity. Taught about accepting our brothers and sisters. I do not know of even one of our great men or women of the Native peoples that ever once stated to destroy our brothers and sisters unless it was a rival tribe....the only people who may have came close to this may of been some of the half european half native. If you think about it, chief Mcintosh...they called him white warrior....he was half white and half creek he signed over land illegally...basically agreeing to get the creek nation split up....the creek's came down on him like a storm and killed him.

The more people that wake up and revatlize their native ancestors...the stronger and more support we have in addressing native issues all over america. The only reason alot of issues are not getting the attention and response needed today like the Lakota people...is because there is not enough support and strength in numbers that is needed. Every time we attack another tribe in a means to destroy it and call it fake and fraud...the less people we have to support our native issues on a larger level. The more these smaller non federal groups get attacked by federal tribes...the more they are going to not want to help with the federal tribe's issues. I guarenttee you the government is loving us fighting each other, the more we tear each other down then the less the USA government has to help any of us. It is not good man. Seriously alot of the money and the Casino's is not really helping matters...the more money brought in and the more casinos brought in..the more the newer generations are losing focus on the issues at hand. With all the money alot of Federal tribes are getting..why is the Lakota people still one of the poorest people in america...why is the Lakota suffering so much while there is other Federal tribes driving fancy cars and living in million dollar houses. There is one tribe in California today and they are getting like 10,000-30,000 bucks every month for each member of their tribe. Why do so many tribes care more about unity only if it means something like gathering of nations? Why is tribes so concerned with hunting down and attempting to destroy any tribe not federal...when there is so many more issues that need attention? Destruction of the native populations is bad, unity of native populations is good. not all these groups being called fakes, frauds, new age junkies, etc is like that. alot of them groups is just people who is attempting to keep their proven heritage alive. There is fake, fraud, and new age groups out here in america but alot of tribes is being falsely labeled with them. Why is certain tribes and native people quicker to yell fraud and fake...before actually going to these people they are attacking and just saying...ok so your native show me your proof....and then sitting with them and addressing some issues..and work out some kind of middle ground so both is happy? what is the harm in that? Unity is not a bad thing.

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