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Your grandfather sounds like a smart guy.
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catfish: food of the gods
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and i aggree with you completely about these impatient people ruining the reputation of our people as protectors of the earth. |
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Haven't really read thru this thread thoroughly, but I got this in the mail, anyone know either of these dudes?:
EVENT ORGANIZER ALERT Greetings, Although for several years I have attempted to curtail the activities of Edward Arthur Pilert III, aka Ed Winddancer (http://www.edwinddancer.com/), my attempts have been futile due to the vast amount of shamery involved with American Indian events throughout the United States. Mr. Pilert has attempted to pass himself off as Lakota, at other times as a Cherokee and recently and most currently as a Nanticoke. He belongs to none of these nations or tribes. In 2005 Mr. Pilert bartered eagle feathers with an undercover agent for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service over several occasions. Subsequently, Mr. Pilert was charged by Federal authorities and a disturbing number of protected bird parts were found in his motorhome. The bird parts and motorhome were confiscated. Last year Mr. Pilert filed a Motion to Dismiss the Indictment. It makes for interesting reading and I have provided the link so that you can read the opinion that was rendered. I've inserted a small section of the opinion below. Please pay close attention to the second paragraph. Shortly, Mr. Pilert will be tried in Federal Court. I sincerely hope that he receives the maximum penalties for his crimes. However, I am more concerned that this person not remain a welcome representative of American Indian culture and American Indians at any event in the United States. Mr. Pilert has sucked money and fame from his false and erroneous misrepresentations and now has blighted American Indians nationwide. The time has come for this to end. I hope you agree. Jimmy Boy Dial Editor, The Spike www.thespike.com http://www.animallaw.info/cases/causfd2006wl1722432.htm (Michigan University College of law) United States District Court, M.D. Tennessee, Nashville Division U.S. v. Winddancer United States 2006 WL 1722432 (M.D.Tenn.) [EXCERPT] 1. A Sincere Exercise of Religion The defendant bears the initial burden of demonstrating that the regulations at issue substantially burden a sincere religious belief. Yoder, 406 U.S. at 215 (beliefs that are "philosophical and personal rather than religious ... [do] not rise to the demands of the Religion Clauses"). Although the defendant has shown that the BGEPA substantially burdens his ability to possess eagle feathers--under BGEPA, he may not possess them--he has not shown that his desire to possess the feathers arises from a sincere religious belief. The defendant has identified at least some Native American ancestry on both sides of his genealogy. According to the defendant, his father had Cherokee ancestry, and his mother Nanticoke ancestry. (Docket No. 30 at p. 2-3.) In addition, he alleges to have been formally admitted as an associate member to the Nanticoke tribe (which is not federally recognized), and to have been adopted by a Lakota family. (Id.) He is not a member of the Lakota tribe, however, or the Cherokee tribe. (Id.) According to the materials attached to the defendant's brief, the Nanticoke people are indigenous to Delaware. (Docket No. 30, Ex. 2.) The Cherokee tribe and Lakota tribe are each, respectively, located in different geographic areas. The people of these tribes each practice their own religions; however, the defendant does not identify which of them, if any, he practices. Rather, he alleges to be a "sincere adherent to a bona fide Native American religion," and that he "exercises that religion through sacred dances." (Docket No. 30 at p. 3.) The defendant does not support that allegation with any documents or affidavits, nor does he identify to which specific Native American religion he adheres. Therefore, he has not met his initial burden under the RFRA to demonstrate that his possession of eagle feathers arises from a sincere religious belief, and not a cultural or philosophical expression. See, e.g., Diaz v. Collins, 114 F.3d 69, 72 (5th Cir.1997) (defendant bears the burden of demonstrating a substantial burden to a sincere religious belief). [END]
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*I am not an attorney at law. I have not achieve a Doctorate of Jurisprudence nor passed the Bar Exam in any State. Use my legal advice at your own risk. I like pizza and walks on the beach. At the same time. So stay off the beach when I'm driving.
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#65 |
Grass Dancer
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wannabe
The link to wind dancer's website didn't work but I googled his name and found it easily. Looks to me like just another wannabe eagle killer to me. I say let him burn.
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It is so sad to me the things that money does to people. I am not a Christian, but the Bible had it right when it said "money is the root of all evil". It is sooo true! It is depressing to me to think that some people have the greed and darkness in their hearts to kill such a beautiful and sacred animal for profit. Don't they understand that if it continues these species (or any other that are poached) could go extinct??! I DO NOT understand people having apathy for these things! I wish all could understand and respect the laws of nature! It seems to me that the Great Spirit would look upon this act as a detestable thing. If you are BUYING a black market carcuss OR feather....doesnt that defeat the whole purpose?
As far as pow wows being the biggest killer of Eagles....who knows? They may be the biggest reason for poaching eagles, but they are dying from much more than just poaching. To me this is another way for the "man" to point fingers at natives once again.... |
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Yea, really its kinda' complicated. I AM Cherokee, I AM Sioux, I AM Irish and I AM Scottish. I was not raised in any of the traditions of any of these cultures really. I was not taught about any of my family history, traditions, nothing. I learned on my own. I feel a special connection and draw to my Native roots and I can't really say why....so I will admit that I have focused on learning more about the Native history of my ancestry and traditions than Irish or Scottish, but I have looked into all of it. Its really hard because I have quite a bit less Cherokee and Sioux than I do Irish, but I can't explain this magnetic pull back to the red road inside me. I have always been a very free thinker, and the core of my belief system, spirituality, mindset, etc. Is in harmony and agreement with the core of the teachings, beliefs, mindset etc. of my Cherokee ancestors. I feel like my heart has always beat to the drum of my Native ancestors and my spirit longs for the red road. However if you look at me all you will say is "white girl" at first glance. If you look into my soul you will see I am far from just that. My bloodlines are complicated and so am I. The technicalities are something I have a hard time with. I understand that that is the way it is though.
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#68 |
Student, always learning
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Cheating on a Spiritual level
That is very true. I think its so sad what money does to people. The whole idea defeats the purpose! It doesnt make sense to me. Isnt the whole idea of the importance of the eagle feathers the connection with The Spirit?? Isnt that where it came from? If you can buy them doesnt that put a shadow on the ones who really earned them like they are supposed to? People are greedy (period). To me that's like cheating but cheating on a spiritual level which is somethin I wouldn't mess with to be honest. Sad! Hopefully the more people talk about it the more people who do it will realize the shame in it!
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#69 |
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tlano comment.
Last edited by TsiyaGeyaWillis; 05-07-2007 at 11:01 PM.. |
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#70 |
Tiny Tot Dancer
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We have had a few eagles get wise to the idea of fishing, by watching those, who put there semoni(salmon) on a line. The Eagle swoops down, grabs the line and is gone. Quite a site to behold! Kodiak Island is also a good place to seeing Eagles as well as Golden Eagles. You will see them everywhere, as thick as flys. It's the truth! (Just ask me a question and I'll give you a heart to heart answer.)
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catfish: food of the gods
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I do not believe there is anything wrong with accepting these gifts. What few feathers you "collect", are meant for you. Each feather has a purpose, which is only known to you. I do believe it is wrong to buy feathers for prayer (except from repositories). I know not all dancers have access to hunting, but I believe it is wrong to just walk into a store and buy them. but this is just me. It is wrong how commercialized the yonega have made our people. Every little conveniance store and truckstop figurine, dreamcatcher, and costume headdress should be burned and banned. They are trying to make money off of our people's image, and steriotypes against our people. It is wrong for ANYBODY to do this. But you are doing right, if you feel creator and those eagles want you to have certain feathers, than they are yours. -Joshua
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catfish: food of the gods
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Thank you. I have. I love that one! It does help. I believe that fully too.
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Tiny Tot Dancer
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How come?
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To be or not to be...
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catfish: food of the gods
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Aho!
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As for the people selling these feathers on the black market, well...there's just no excuse, and i doubt even Einstein could come up with one at this point, its senseless, and honestly immature. I read that someone said something about asking where some people get their feathers and i agree 100%, if we start asking questions, they'll start backing down in fear that they will get caught.
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