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Old 01-15-2008, 02:40 PM   #101
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We donīt kill eagles, we respect eagles. Eagles are sacred to us...
You said it: ...industry, profit, business... -Indeed, nasty and sad.
We, indians, whichever tribe we can be, love and respect eagles and all kind of living creatures... When an eagle (or other little brother is dead), we perform a ceremony for its spirit, to receive the gifts of its precious soul... We donīt kill, (real indians, of course),-except for those brothers that are in far away places from the big cities and need to eat and survive in those hostile lands- ...the teachings from our Ancestors are always in our hearts. When a guy comes to us selling eagle feathers or deer leather, etc., (usually in a dance ceremony), we already know he or she is a killer and in my case I warn him/her about the wrong thing of killing and accuse them to the Human Society of Protection for the Endangered Species... then I get an enemy, but I donīt care. ---In a ceremonial race through the mountains, we found on the road a beautiful dead brown eagle, it was perfect, no wounds or blood... we made a sacred prayer to this eagle, we made songs, we asked permission to take respectfully just few feathers from its wings (like ten), later we buried this great brown Eagle near a lovely tree...tears of love, gratitude and good-bye were in our eyes... we kept running with our precious treasure. --Thatīs the best way we should get sacred Eagle feathers. ---We, the First People donīt care about money issues... we donīt care for the material world... We care about Love and Respect for all living things on the Earth, we care for our People and the values and traditions from the Ancestors, we care about Peace and Dignity, Honour and Indian Pride. ---Truly Yours from The Great Tenochtitlan, Cuetzpallincihuatl.
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Sincerely and Deeply I thank you for your words. Thank You for sharing your powerful story also.
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Interesting because I did'nt know that eagles played any part in Aztec culture.

I'm sure you know though that when you find an eagle carcass that you are supposed to contact fish and game so that it might go to the repository to determine what it died from.

If it was shot or poisoned, then it helps in their investigation to prosecute the people who would do that to eagles. Also by taking a few feathers and burying it, not only made your feathers prosecutable, and could make it look as if you are a poacher to fish and game...

but you also buried many feathers and parts that through the repository would have gone to many or one person who has been waiting patiently for their feathers that they applied for. A perfect carcass in tact like that would have been well recieved and what was'nt used disposed of in the traditions of the people that recieved it.

It's also a shame that fish and game did'nt have the chance to determine if it was male or female in case of nesting season as well to see if there were chicks or eggs orphaned that could have been rescued. I mean not everythign you find dead at your feet is a gift from the creator but more of a call to attention that something has gone wrong and needs to be examined before more fall.
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Old 01-18-2008, 02:16 AM   #104
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My Dear Blackbear, ---Jan. 18, 2008. ---Tenochtitlan.

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Itīs so interesting all what you just told me and I appreciate your comment. --An Eagle holding a snake is in the middle of the Mexican Flag, the same Eagle is in every coin and bill.
--Our Last Great Lord of The Word, Cuauhtemoctzin (Eagle from the Sky)-(1521)- is with us in our Aztec Traditions. His teachings, his braveness against Hernan Cortes, his Honour and Dignity being tortured to confess were The Moctecuzoma Treasure was and his silence even the humilliations and pain to preserve just for us the treasure is what guided the Aztecs to fight untill the last drop of blood. -We, The Aztecs, have The Treasure...!! -Here in Mexico, deep inside in the mountains there is no a control of anything, just woods, rivers, rocks, caves, etc... (we were in a sacred work), no towns either people... So, we did what we had to do with all the respect for our Eagle and probably it was dead because it was the time to rest. --- Have a warm hug from The Great Tenochtitlan. -- Truly yours,
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Interesting because I did'nt know that eagles played any part in Aztec culture.

I'm sure you know though that when you find an eagle carcass that you are supposed to contact fish and game so that it might go to the repository to determine what it died from.

If it was shot or poisoned, then it helps in their investigation to prosecute the people who would do that to eagles. Also by taking a few feathers and burying it, not only made your feathers prosecutable, and could make it look as if you are a poacher to fish and game...

but you also buried many feathers and parts that through the repository would have gone to many or one person who has been waiting patiently for their feathers that they applied for. A perfect carcass in tact like that would have been well recieved and what was'nt used disposed of in the traditions of the people that recieved it.

It's also a shame that fish and game did'nt have the chance to determine if it was male or female in case of nesting season as well to see if there were chicks or eggs orphaned that could have been rescued. I mean not everythign you find dead at your feet is a gift from the creator but more of a call to attention that something has gone wrong and needs to be examined before more fall.
BB...I'm not sure they deal with feathers in Mexico as they do here. Not even sure there is a repository. From what I've learned from my friends from Tacuba, Mexico, eagles don't have the same significance to them as they do up here. If i'm not mistaken, the tailfeather of the 'Quetzal' bird is a prized possesion. I was once given four tailfeathers from an eagle found in Mexico called an 'aguila real'. Pretty feathers. I put them on my dancestick. At a lineup for GE once (Cali casino pdub), a couple of those high dollar (lol) dancers saw them and asked if they could see them up close. I still have them on my stick.
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Old 01-18-2008, 03:02 AM   #106
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Dear Joe's Dad, --Jan 18, 2008. -Tenochtitlan.

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Please roll up and read what I just wrote to BlackBear...
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BB...I'm not sure they deal with feathers in Mexico as they do here. Not even sure there is a repository. From what I've learned from my friends from Tacuba, Mexico, eagles don't have the same significance to them as they do up here. If i'm not mistaken, the tailfeather of the 'Quetzal' bird is a prized possesion. I was once given four tailfeathers from an eagle found in Mexico called an 'aguila real'. Pretty feathers. I put them on my dancestick. At a lineup for GE once (Cali casino pdub), a couple of those high dollar (lol) dancers saw them and asked if they could see them up close. I still have them on my stick.
Ahh.. I did'nt realize she was actually in Mexico. Kinda hurts my eyes to read direct posts to me from her becuase of the way I'm addressed like she's my penpal or something.... so I overlooked where her location was LOL!
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Story:
Golden eagle, injured in conibear trap, euthanized

A golden eagle caught in a steel leg trap near Missoula was euthanized
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Golden and bald eagles are a federally protected species and using
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Dear Joe's Dad, --Jan 18, 2008. -Tenochtitlan.

Hope you are having a great time at Home!
Please roll up and read what I just wrote to BlackBear...
Receive a bunch of hugs from the Great Tenochtitlan.
---Cuetzpallincihuatl.
I had a chance to visit your great city for December 12, 1992. There were at least 4,000 dancers in 'La Villa', along with the 'cozmicos' out in the street. We were invited guests to the group led by Negro Pineda. Also had a chance to vist a place called Ixtapalapa (sp). Had a wonderful time.
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Lmao!

Now thats a good one. But to a certain extent is true. But there is a big difference between goin out jus shooting a random eagle with all the wrong entensions than too obtaining legally in which the process takes a really long time. But jus goin out shooting some kind of random bird for sport or watever isnt right.
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What about asking the eagle for feathers?

Quite a few years back, I saw an eagle way up in a tree. I asked if I could have a feather, he dropped some small fluffy feathers on the ground. I thanked him for them and went on my way. The following year my son, Eagle Heart, passed away and I put a few of the fluffy feathers on his heart to take with him. Every now and then I see an eagle and think of my son, you see he was severely disabled, couldn't walk, talk, was completely wheelchair bound. Now he soars as an Eagle.
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...Eagle Heart watches over us up in the sky, and I thank you so much for sharing this beautiful story with me, with us..! -- Blessed be your Son wherever Heīs flying now. Truly yours,
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hello everybody,havent bee here in a long time.Well here is my take on it.A man from Canada was passing through my town and just his luck broke down.I offered my home and food as we natives do.After about 4 days him and his family were on there way.Not once did I ask for any kind of payment. Before this family left I was given some things.Now was it wrong of me to take them or should I have dissrespected this family and said no.I left a plate of food out for the spirits and took the gift.It has been several years since I have seen my friend and I still have the things I was gifted.But now with all the envy and hate at contest powwows I don't even want to dance anymore.yea I am a traditional dancer,have been for many years.I have seen what the green paper has done to our people,turning familys against eachother for money.I have a job and don't need to contest.It's what my pops preached,you want nice things? Then you need to work.Thats the way its is....It's been a year since my moms passing and it is so very hard. pray for me....peace and fry bread grease
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Hello, my Beloved Brother! - Here and there you will find envy, you will see wrong things for the darn money... Here and there, trust me! -- But also, here and there youīll find great people, wonderful hearts and warm smiles...! We, each one of us have bad and good moments, sadness and happiness and we need to learn from all these things... Such is Life! as my Dad says... -- We, the First People have the Heritage of Great Teachings, Great Stories from the Ones in the past and we shouldnīt never forget that! -We never give up!-- I ask you to keep dancing and singing because thatīs our way of life... and while doing so, somebody so precious will share with you the Joy of Life...!! -- You might find bad manners and ugly expressions, you might find bitter faces but for sure you will find a beautiful little face looking at you with
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I have had quit a few friends order Eagles from the Repository. Most of them tell me the same thing. It takes about 4 years for the full Eagle. And many of them got the same phone call in three years saying that there was a bald Eagle available for them if they wanted that instead of the Golden, it depends on which one that you want. Some did, other's did not. I know that if you go to the BIA office on your res. that they will give you the paperwork and I believe that they will help you fill it out, or fill it out for you and then you just sign it. I know someone who did this at least they did for the person that I know. I have another friend about to order theirs and they are asking me to help them. Not that I can do all that much, but that's okay.LOL

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Indian Barbie at Powwow! High-heeled moccasins! It'll sell! But probably not to Indian kids.
yea...the barbie would need big black sweaters and baggy pants to appeal to native kids
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I dont know if powwows are the biggest killers of eagles but I'm sure its right up there. to say that people dont know at least one person who sells feathers or hunts them is BS. Hell every powwow I go to, there is someone looking to buy black tips or on sunday night when some people are hurting for money to get home, there's always a seller. you have to be suspicious about certain people who have a triple layer blacktip bustle, blacktip shoulder wings, black tip fan, black tip visor, black tip spinners, and black tip feathers hangin off there staff.
I will say this though. there is alot of people out there who keep it "TRADISH" and TRADE for those feathers through beadwork and what not. But, there is more people that will shell out a good 500 to a grad for a blacktip fan than trade...thats just the cold hard facts.
Up here in canada..you can send in your name to wild life canada and receive an eagle...waiting list is huge though and could be waiting 10 years to get one.
I know of a couple of other people that got feathers through a university. Classes there were doing studies on eagle bones and what not and basically were throwing feathers away. Someone caught wind of that and then was recieving like 5-6 full birds a month. most of them golden eagles.
I also know a couple of well known dancers get busted right at a powwow for paoching eagles...they served like 7 years or something like that.
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I want to share what I know to be true to me

I personally know an eagle killer and in all honesty this person is not who they claim to be. This person is facing charges in the near future and I am doing my best to protest against eagle poaching. Eagle poaching is not part of the culture I was taught or any of the cultures extended across turtle island. I will have a flyer/ poster availible soon to inform all about this fraud. It is my job and those who share my same belief to protest against this unacceptable truth and honour the eagle's spirit. May the "Creator" hear our prayers to protect the eagle.

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