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Old 05-27-2006, 05:21 PM   #21
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So is it safe to say when you see thick black smoke in the horizon the indians are on a warpath?

I think not.Those fires were fuelled long ago by colonists who were promised great wealth in the NEW WORLD. They were met with a warm handshake by our ancestors which then turned to hostility because THEY wanted to take instead of give from MOTHER EARTH.

Greed is one of the Cardinal sins and corporate heads fail to recognize our inherent rights as they continue to excorcise their feudalism.

All companies are required to do an Environmental Impact Assessment before they are given the go-ahead to start "digging".This assures that all potential activities are done in a safe and effective manner(within governed laws as well).This also includes NATIVE RIGHTS, but they always seem to ignore this part of the EIA or EIS as they continue onward with their projects.

Having said all that,there is a 'loophole' in this system that needs to be addressed and recognized to ensure that no party is discriminated against or violated in the process.

All in all,we are not stupid indians...we haven't made our bed...yet...how could we when colonial greed is sleeping on it.

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kudos for the Six Nations for standing up.
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Old 05-28-2006, 01:24 AM   #22
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Racism is alive and well!!!

http://auto_sol.tao.ca/node/view/2041 check this out My Brothers and Sisters!!!....and i live next to these people???....geeze!!!...get a few together and they are as strong as kingkong!!!! but meet one in the coffee shop!!!...they are nice as PIE!!! they might even buy you a coffee!!!!.....LOL...j/k...and keep in thought that these peoples actions don't speak for the whole town!!!....
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Did you notice they were all drinking or drunk??? This looks more like a friggin frat party than it does a protest. How many do you think were actually from Caledonia, Smokedancer20?
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Did you notice they were all drinking or drunk??? This looks more like a friggin frat party than it does a protest. How many do you think were actually from Caledonia, Smokedancer20?
....they are just a bunch of punks!!!...did you see the guy saying "we pay their ways"....???....if they pay our way then why don't they pay their lease?...LOL....these dumb fools! are just their to start sH^%...thats all!!!!....if all them "NEW" towns people took the time to learn the history behind this land !!!...i bet they would have a "change of heart".....and half them people in that video clip probley ain't even from caledonia !!!
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That was my thinking as well.. that they are'nt even from Calendonia. I'd almost bet that only 10% of the people there are from Calendonia.
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Judge asks why Caledonia injunction has not been acted on
Marshall summons various players to court Thursday
By Paul Legall


CALEDONIA A judge is demanding the OPP and province explain why they haven't
enforced his order to end a native occupation of Douglas Creek Estates and
lift the barricades on nearby railway tracks where protesters burned down a
bridge last month.
Ontario Superior Court Justice David Marshall has taken the highly unusual
step of ordering the OPP, the Attorney General of Ontario, natives, the
developers and other parties to a special court session Thursday to explain why his
orders are being flouted.
It's not clear what effect it will have on the ongoing negotiations to end
the dispute.
Osgoode Hall law professor Alan Young said he can't remember another instance
when a judge has taken the initiative of pressing for the enforcement of his
own order. He added judges usually assume their orders will be obeyed and
maintain an "out-of-sight-out-of-mind" attitude toward enforcement.
"The reason for this unusual step is because there are injunctive and other
orders of this court that remain outstanding," Marshall said.
"The Superior Court of Justice has the ultimate responsibility to ensure that
peace in the community is maintained under the rule of law - hence this
court calls the parties in order to further resolution of these matters."
In his ruling, Marshall referred to an injunction that Henco Industries
Limited obtained in March to evict native protesters from Douglas Creek Estates
and a separate injunction that Railink Canada Ltd. obtained from Marshall on
May 4.
In addition to the OPP Commissioner and the Attorney General, Marshall has
summoned lawyers for the developers, Railink Canada Ltd. the County of
Haldimand and the Haldimand Law Society.
He has also called on the Six Nations elected band council and the
traditional confederacy chiefs to appear. The judge notes, however, that the
confederacy has not responded to the jurisdiction of the court.
Young said that the party who applied for the injunction - the developers of
Douglas Creek Estates - would normally press for compliance. In this case,
however, he believes Marshall may have seen himself as a party because the
flouting of his orders would constitute contempt in "the face of the court."
"(Because the flouting) caused the disrespect to the court, you can get out
of that passive shell and take the matter into your own hands," he said.
Young does not know if Marshall can require enforcement.
The OPP raided the subdivision April 20 and briefly removed 16 occupiers. But
natives surged back onto the land, forcing police off and beginning a
month-long blockade that cut Caledonia in half. Protesters burned tires on public
roads, shoved a van over an overpass and established barriers on the Highway 6
bypass and Argyle Street South that runs through Caledonia.
Shortly after the action, OPP Deputy Commissioner Maurice Pilon met privately
with the protesters and assured them he had no immediate plans to stage
another raid. Since then, the province and federal government have involved in
sporadic talks with natives.
OPP spokesperson Constable Laurie Hawkins said Commissioner Gwen Boniface
intends to comply with Marshall's order for her to appear. She added the
commissioner recognizes the Douglas Creek dispute involves complex land issues
between the First Nations and the government that police can't resolve.
"She'd like to remind the public the primary obligation of the OPP is to keep
the peace and ensure public safety," Hawkins said.
Representatives of the natives behind the barricades did not return calls
from the Spectator.
Brenden Crawley, an spokesman for the Ontario Attorney General, said
representatives from his ministry would also be making submissions to the judge. He
added it would not be appropriate to reveal what they intend to say.
John and Don Henning, who obtained the injunction to evict the protesters,
were also ordered to attend the hearing.
"Henco (their company) did not initiate this action and we are unaware of the
specific reason for this court appearance. As a result, neither we nor our
lawyer can comment on the order until after the court session," the brothers
stated in a press release.
Haldimand County Mayor Marie Trainer considers Marshall's intervention a
positive development in the 92-day impasse.
"I have every confidence in Judge Marshall. He knows his history.
As of yesterday, there were still charred timbers blocking a section of the
track under the Sterling Street which was destroyed in a fire on April 21.
In the Railink injunction, Marshall ordered the protesters to remove all
obstructions, including two barricades, from a rail line that runs through the
town of Caledonia near the Six Nations Reserve.
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When The Rule Of Law Is Selective

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Re: 'Preserving the rule of law' (letter, May 25)
I look forward to the day when the Haldimand Law Association demonstrates an
equal concern for the myriad ways in which Ontario and Canada have thrust
First Nations beyond the rule of law while at the same time demanding
obedience.
I do not recall the Haldimand Law Association objecting to the arrest of all
the traditional chiefs of Six Nations in 1923, or the exiling of the
president of the Confederacy, or the statement to the League of Nations following
the arrests of the chiefs that since they were no longer in office their motion
before the League of Nations Assembly had become moot.
I always thought the rule of law applied equally to everyone.
Yet this association has not -- at least to my knowledge -- objected to the
many different ways in which indigenous people in the Haldimand area have
been denied the rule of law in the time since 1844 or since 1923 to the present.
If the letter writer or his colleagues are interested in a short list of the
major events when they might have demanded that the rule of law in
Haldimand, in Ontario and in Canada needed to apply to all persons and to all peoples
I should be pleased to furnish such a list.
One can only suppose the rule of law favoured by the Haldimand Law
Association is a "sometimes for some people" kind of thing.
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Six Nations Hereditary Chiefs Stake Land Claim In Brant County

By John Paul Zronik
Local News - Tuesday, May 30, 2006 @ 01:00

Six Nations is the rightful owner of land six miles on either side of the
Grand River, a fact Brant County should get used to, Six Nations Confederacy
Chief Arnie General said Monday.

"We´d like the people to understand we´re not depriving them," General
said during an interview. "We want them to understand that, legally, it´s our
land."

To make that point, seven Confederacy representatives attended the county´s
committee of adjustment meeting last week, asking that four planning matters
be delayed to allow native leaders time to provide input.

The committee granted the request.

"I´m hopeful there´s a way of dealing with this in a constructive manner,"
said David Johnston, the county´s chief planning official. "It´s a very
difficult situation."

Confederacy representatives, including General, requested that the planning
matters be deferred until June 3, when Confederacy council will meet and
decide on what input it will provide.



"Out of courtesy, we granted them an opportunity to comment," Johnston
said.

The county´s committee of adjustment provides consent to property owners who
want to sever land from existing properties and grants permission for minor
zoning variances. Johnston said the matters delayed last week have to do with
creating estate lots on land that is currently zoned for agricultural
purposes.

General said native representatives went in front of the county committee to
also remind people about the importance of retaining farm land.

"Urbanization is eating up prime agricultural land," General said. "People
are thinking about personal gains for themselves. They´re not thinking about
the future."

The request to provide input comes at a time the Six Nations Confederacy is
showing a greater interest in the use of land in Brant County and in the
midst of the current protest over a disputed 135-acre parcel of land in Caledonia.

"In recent months, there has been greater interest from the Confederacy in
reviewing (planning) applications," Johnston said.

Considered the traditional government of Six Nations, the Confederacy is not
part of Six Nations elected band council.

Johnston said the committee was not obliged to grant the Confederacy´s
request to delay its decisions. He said the county notifies Six Nations about all
land-use matters it deals with as a matter of record, just as it would any
individual who requested the information.

Comments received from the Confederacy will be afforded the same weight the
county would give comments from any other organization or agency, Johnston
said. After the Confederacy´s input is received, the committee of adjustment
will make what it feels to be appropriate decisions on the matters in question,
most likely at a meeting in June.

"No group or individual has veto power over the committee to make a decision,
" he said. "They do have appeal rights, though."

If the Confederacy disagrees with a committee decision, it can appeal to the
Ontario Municipal Board, which can overturn decisions made by local
governments.

General said the county should expect Confederacy representatives to attend
planning meetings in the future.

"I would assume so," General said when asked if the Confederacy will be
back at county committee meetings. "How else are we going to get people to
understand what we mean?"
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Tensions Hurting Youth Sports

Kids Barred From Six Nations Games

Safety concerns cited by parents
May 30, 2006. 01:00 AM
JESSICA LEEDER
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CHARLA JONES/TORONTO STAR Residents watch as the blockade
comes down on Argyle St. in Caledonia May 23. Indians, mostly from the Six
Nations, had been demonstrating against developers who wish to build on what
natives consider their land.

Fears that a backlash after a month-long standoff in Caledonia would affect
the area's youth didn't take long to come true.
Days after native protestors removed a barricade blocking the town's main
street, new tensions cropped up on area playing fields. Baseball players as
young as 5 were barred from playing against Six Nations teams, both on and off
the reserve, by parents concerned about their children's safety, league
officials said.
Shannon Jamieson, head of the Six Nations minor baseball association, said
several games in the league her teams play in, which encompasses players ages
5 to 21, have been cancelled since the beginning of last week, when the
barricade on Argyle St. was taken down.
In some cases, Jamieson said, opposing coaches have notified her that they
wouldn't be able to field a team. Other times, teams just haven't shown up at
the diamonds.
"They are supposed to play against us. We are part of the league and we've
been playing baseball against them for 30 years," Jamieson said.
Calls to coaches and parents connected with teams that have forfeited
against Six Nations teams were not returned.
Larry Jones, head of the Haldimand Erie League, oversees much of the play.
In an interview he confirmed the forfeitures and the fact that parents of some
players have reported safety concerns as the reason for keeping their
children off the field.
Their concerns likely stem from the litany of unsettling events that have
taken place in the Caledonia area since protestors with the Six Nations
Confederacy occupied a 40-hectare construction site last February. The site is the
subject of an ongoing land title dispute, during which trucks have been
overturned, a bridge has been torched, and a portion of the town's main street dug
up. On May 22, $1.5 million in damage was caused to a Hydro One transformer
when vandals set it on fire, knocking out power to thousands.
The outage began after a violent clash at the Argyle St. barricade between
fed-up Caledonians and native protestors that included groups of area teens,
many of whom play with and against each other on sports teams.
Afterward, in interviews at the site of the clash, many parents lamented the
potential effects on youth.
"To see them in that state, how are they ever going to play a hockey game
against each other again?" wondered Karen, a Caledonia resident who asked that
her last name not be published. "This is going to affect them in the
schoolyard," she said.
Jones said he thinks the situation will "blow over" now that power has been
restored.
But the situation seems to be escalating. Thursday, he drafted a letter to
all coaches in the league to urge a better show of sportsmanship.
"It has come to my attention that some teams have cancelled or not shown up
for their ball games, giving the reason that they could not field a team
because parents will not let their children play due to the unrest in the
Caledonia area," the letter reads.
"The present situation in the Caledonia area should not be stopping anyone
from playing ball or any other sport or activity. This is a land dispute with
the government," it said.
Six Nations' Jamieson has launched a public relations campaign of her own,
and hopes to convene a league-wide coaches meeting by the end of the weekend.
If necessary, she said, she'll enlist the help of police to help convey to
parents that the reserve and its residents are not dangerous.
"It's not fair to the kids at all, any of them," she said.At the meeting,
Jamieson also hopes to quash any fears Six Nations members have about how
they'll be treated at off-reserve playing fields.
"We don't know how we're going to be treated, but we'll go, because that's
what we're supposed to do," she said.
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Aboriginal Peoples, Rights
[ Support of Aboriginal Land Rights at Douglas Creek, Caledonia, Ontario ]
May 2006
The United Church, through the leadership of Hamilton Conference in
consultation with Aboriginal groups, will continue to stand in solidarity with the
Aboriginal groups currently advocating for their treaty rights in Caledonia.
Our hope is that the Canadian government and respective authorities will see
the situation as one more opportunity toward a relationship of justice and
right relationship between Native and non-Native Canadians. As we watch the
current negotiations closely, we pray for a just and peaceful resolution, and are
committed to taking concrete actions and policies to make this a reality.
Background
The current crisis in Caledonia, Ontario, demonstrates that failure to
honour Aboriginal treaty and land rights has implications for both Native and
non-Native peoples in Canada. There are approximately 1,000 specific claims
presently before the government of Canada, and while about 300 are making their
way through the process; it takes approximately 10 years to resolve land claims
in Canada-a timeline that is creating frustration and anger in First Nations
communities. Like many other land rights cases across the country, the
crisis in Douglas Creek has erupted over the lack of recognition of Aboriginal
land and treaty rights.
Douglas Creek Estate-a 40-hectare piece of land in Caledonia, southwest of
Hamilton, Ontario, has been the site of violent clashes between Native and
non-Native protesters since February 28, 2006. Although the Douglas Creek area
was officially placed as a land claim by the Six Nations in 1987, the disputed
land was sold in 1992 to the current deed holders. The clash erupted when
Six Nations protested the development of 600 houses on the 40-hectare parcel of
land. The land, as Six Nations have argued, was never sold by Six Nations
and continues to be part of the original Haldimand Deed of 1784 ceded to
Aboriginal peoples of the Six Nations by the British Crown for their support as
allies in the U.S. War of Independence.
Since protesters first began occupying Douglas Creek, The United Church of
Canada has been visibly represented at Caledonia by staff and volunteers from
the national church, All Native Circle Conference, Hamilton Conference,
presbyteries, congregations, and Five Oaks Centre. They have been there in tense
situations and have offered the support and reconciling presence of the
church. Their involvement continues wherever they believe their presence can make a
useful contribution. The Moderator has been in contact with all the
congregations involved-Native and non-Native-to offer encouragement and support.
In _letters_ (http://www.united-church.ca/aborigin...s/060526b.shtm)
to the Premier and to the Prime Minister, the Hamilton Conference of the
United Church commended the governments of Ontario and of Canada for participating
in the tripartite negotiations convened to resolve the Douglas Creek dispute
and for its historic decision to negotiate with the Hereditary Chiefs and
the representatives of the elected Council of Six Nations.
The General Council has reiterated this statement in its communication to
the Prime Minister´s office. In that _letter_
(http://www.united-church.ca/aborigin...s/060526b.shtm) , the General Secretary called on the federal and
provincial governments to take all necessary steps to arrive at a timely,
fair, just, and peaceful settlement that honours the right of the Six Nations to
have their land claims settled fairly; including the recognition of land
rights as a mandatory consideration when shaping the kind of development project
taking place on land to which the Six Nations people lay claim.
The expectation that has been articulated in these letters is in line with
the United Church position in support of Aboriginal land rights since the
1970s. Through numerous resolutions, policies, and actions, the General Council
of the United Church has unwaveringly spoken to the Government of Canada
endorsing the right of Aboriginal peoples to prior consultation, participation,
and partnership in shaping the kind of regional development taking place in the
land to which Aboriginal peoples lay claim.
For more information
To inquire about General Council´s commitment to Aboriginal rights, please
contact
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Human Rights and Peace,
Justice, Global and Ecumenical Relations Unit
The United Church of Canada
3250 Bloor St. West, Toronto, ON M8X 2Y4
See also:
* _Letters in Support of Aboriginal Land Rights at Douglas Creek,
Caledonia, Ontario_ (http://www.united-church.ca/aborigin...s/060526b.shtm)




Aboriginal Peoples, Rights
[ Letters in Support of Aboriginal Land Rights at Douglas Creek, Caledonia,
Ontario ]

Letter from General Council to Prime Minister Harper

Monday, May 8, 2006
The Right Honourable Stephen Harper
Prime Minister of Canada
80 Wellington Street
Ottawa, ON K1A 0A2
Dear Prime Minister Harper:
Please accept my greetings on behalf of The United Church of Canada and its
General Council Executive. I am writing out of an acute concern about the
continuing situation in Caledonia, Ontario.
I have been directed to advise you that the Executive of the General Council
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* Commend you for participating in the tripartite talks convened to
resolve the Davis Creek dispute at Caledonia; and to offer our appreciation
that different governments have recognized the hereditary chiefs of the Six
Nations
* Urge you to take all necessary steps to arrive at a fair, just, and
peaceful settlement of this dispute which honours the rights of the Six
Nations people to have their land claims settled fairly, and that the recognition
of land rights is always a mandatory consideration when shaping the kind of
development which takes place on land to which the Six Nations people lay
claim
* And urge your government to give high priority to the resolution of
unresolved land claims with the Six Nations people and with First Nations
across Canada
Yours truly,
Rev. Dr. Jim Sinclair
General Secretary, General Council
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Letter from Hamilton Conference to Premier McGuinty
May 16, 2006
Dalton McGuinty, Premier
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Queen´s Park
Toronto, ON M7A 1A1
Hon. David Ramsay
Minister Responsible for Aboriginal Affairs
Whitney Block, 6th Flr., Suite 6630
99 Wellesley St. W.
Toronto, ON M7A 1W3
Dear Premier and Minister Ramsay:
We write on behalf of Hamilton Conference of The United Church of Canada.
Hamilton Conference is one of thirteen Conferences in The United Church of
Canada with 67,800 members worshipping in 302 congregations from Tobermory to
Lake Erie and from Mississauga to the Region of Waterloo. The Grand River and
its tributaries flow through the heart of the Conference.
We wish to commend you and your government for your participation in the
tripartite negotiations which have been convened to resolve the Davis Creek
dispute at Caledonia, Ontario, and for your historic decision to negotiate with
the Hereditary Chiefs as well as the representatives of the elected Council of
Six Nations.
We urge you and your government to take all necessary steps to arrive at a
timely, fair, just, and peaceful settlement of this dispute which honours the
right of the Six Nations people to have their land claims settled fairly and
that includes the recognition that land rights are a mandatory consideration
when shaping the kind of development which takes place on land to which the
Six Nations people lay claim.
We recognize that the resolution of the more than 600 claims filed by First
Nations with the Federal Government is largely the responsibility of the
Federal Government. We believe that your government´s policy regarding the
intensification of development in rural urban areas such as Caledonia will have a
significant impact on the First Nations people of Ontario. We therefore would
further urge that you and your government establish as policy, that when
planning for development of lands in the Province of Ontario to which First
Nations people lay claim, the First Nations people who have laid claim to the land
proposed for development will have meaningful input to and be equal partners
in the shaping of any development plans on land to which they lay claim.
We pray that you will do your utmost to bring about a just and respectful
settlement to the negotiations at Caledonia and that you will move to ensure
that the First Nations people who reside in Ontario are equal partners in the
future prosperity of Ontario.
Sincerely,
Roz Vincent Haven
President
Fred Monteith
Executive Secretary
_top_ (http://www.united-church.ca/aborigin...0526b.shtm#top)
Letter from Hamilton Conference to Prime Minister Harper
May 16, 2006
The Rt. Hon. Stephen Harper
Prime Minister of Canada
Government of Canada
Ottawa, ON K1A 0H4
The Hon. Jim Prentice
Minister of Indian and Northern Affairs
Government of Canada
Ottawa, ON K1A 0H4
Dear Prime Minister and Minister Prentice,
We write on behalf of Hamilton Conference of The United Church of Canada.
Hamilton Conference is one of thirteen Conferences in The United Church of
Canada with 67,800 members worshipping in 302 congregations from Tobermory to
Lake Erie and from Mississauga to the Region of Waterloo. The Grand River and
its tributaries flow through the heart of the Conference.
We wish to commend you and your government for your participation in the
tripartite negotiations which have been convened to resolve the Davis Creek
dispute at Caledonia, Ontario, and for your historic decision to negotiate with
the hereditary chiefs as well as representatives of the elected Council of Six
Nations.
We urge you and your government to take all necessary steps to arrive at a
timely, fair, just and peaceful settlement of this dispute which honours the
right of the Six Nations people to have their land claims settled fairly and
that includes the recognition that land rights are a mandatory consideration
when shaping the kind of development which takes place on land to which the
Six Nations people lay claim.
We understand that there are more than 600 claims filed by First Nations
with the Federal Government and more than half of those claims are at the
Department of Justice for legal opinions. Some of these claims have been under
consideration for years. We would therefore further urge you and your government
to assign the financial and human resources necessary to make the resolution
of other unresolved claims with the Six Nations people and with other First
Nations across Canada a top priority.
We pray that you will do your utmost to see that a just and respectful
resolution will be found to these long outstanding claims.
Sincerely,
Roz Vincent Haven
President
Fred Monteith
Executive Secretary
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i was referring to when we closed the NYS thruway on Cattaraugus in the 90's.... someone burned tires at that time... and obviously someone didnt read my post cause someone did it anyways... aghey! lol... but for real... keep everyone safe, young and old.... we are still praying for everyone!!!!
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