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Old 12-01-2005, 02:59 PM   #1
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Angry Racist cartoon

Hey Everyone!


I was fowarded this cartoon before the holidays, and I wanted to share it with everyone here (anyone who will read). (see attachment) It is depicting one of the two biggest rivals in florida college sports, the gators and FSU. I am flabbergasted at the obvious racist position this particular editorial is taking. I mean does the editor actually read or edit before hand. There would be no way that any other race would be depicted in such a manner and the caption with it. there would be no way!
Secondly to make a mockery of killing Native people is abominable! People are so uneducated to the fact the over 30% of hate crimes are directed towards Native Americans. That is rather large considering Natives only represent 1% of the entire population. And in the end these crimes either go unsolved or unpunished.
What the [email protected]*&! I am so tired of stupid people.
Thanks for letting me vent.
I personally am writing letters to UF's (University of Florida, gators) president, board of trustees, the Independent Florida Alligator, etc...
I welcome and encourage anyone else to do the same. They need to know that this just doesnt effect Florida but is directed at all Native people.

I have emails and addresses:
The Independent Florida Alligator
Editor: Miki Gimignani, [email protected]
Graphics Chief: Michelle Stewart, [email protected]
Manager..: C.E. Barber, [email protected]

UF President
J. Benard Machen
Office of the President
226 Tigert Hall
Po Box 113150
Gainesville, Fl. 32611
[email protected]

If you go to the uf website, www.ufl.edu, you can get the address of the board of trustees.

If cant read the caption it states: "Sorry Albert but It's Culturally Insensitive to Kill a Native American this close to Thanksgiving."
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Old 12-01-2005, 03:33 PM   #2
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this is messed up ... i was unaware it was ok to kill a native american any time of the year except around thanksgiving?
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That's really mean & ignorant....I can't believe that they would make a cartoon like that! Whomever made up that is definitely sick-minded!
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Sorry it hurts so much. Until everyone is willing to sit at the circle it will be this way. Education and time is the only answer. Things do keep getting better. Look back 50 or more years ago and it was worst. I look to my kids and their kids to be the ones who will finally end this madness. For now we must endure and teach.
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I got a reply from the General Manager from the paper. Of course she gave the run around.
Here is a copy of the email:

Dear Ms. Narcomey,

Thank you for sharing your views. Since the student editors at The
Alligator are the only ones in control of news and editorial content, I am taking the liberty of forwarding this to the student editor.

Not that it is revelant to your letter, but I wish to share with you that
I am very proud that to claim my grandmother as a Native American and know first hand of some of the discrimination her family, her desendants and she suffered.

Sincerely,

C. E. Barber
General Manager

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Dont they always like to put their statement, well my grandmother, my greatgrandmother....
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i bet she was a cherokee princess
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i bet she was a cherokee princess

Damnit, I was gonna say that! beat me to it MOTS...
this cartoon sux....will we (mankind) ever learn?
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I just sent my thoughts to the editor, I'll see what type of reply I get, if any. The worst part (besides the obvious) is that this is a college of "higher" learning, nothing like teaching right thinking and perpetuating hate and racism.
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That cartoon is way over the line. As a professional journalist, I'd be embarrassed to be associated with a publication like that. The really sad thing is that there would be a public hanging if that cartoon depicted a black person and said something about killing a black before Thanksgiving. It'd be all over CNN, Fox News, CBS, ABC, NBC, front page USA Today, but nothing...no coverage at all. That's the sad thing to me - well, beyond the fact that there are still people out there stupid enough to print something so obviously offensive.

I don't see this as a mascot issue, but one of basic human decency. Shameful.
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That cartoon is way over the line. As a professional journalist, I'd be embarrassed to be associated with a publication like that. The really sad thing is that there would be a public hanging if that cartoon depicted a black person and said something about killing a black before Thanksgiving. It'd be all over CNN, Fox News, CBS, ABC, NBC, front page USA Today, but nothing...no coverage at all. That's the sad thing to me - well, beyond the fact that there are still people out there stupid enough to print something so obviously offensive.

I don't see this as a mascot issue, but one of basic human decency. Shameful.
I toldly agree with you on this point. It has a lot to do with human decency. Though this kind of nosense starts with the mascot. They see Native people used as a mascot or an icon of some sort for their fun and games. So they believe pocking fun and not taking us seriously is okay. We are not real people to a lot of them. This is why they feel they can print such things and get a way with it. This also goes back to the educational system and what they teach in our classrooms from grandschool to college. The list goes on and on.

I just welcome anyone to please send them something of a comment. They need to know that they cant say or print things like this and not have any remorse or consequences.
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Dont they always like to put their statement, well my grandmother, my greatgrandmother....

Yeah, see these kind of people aren't related to their grandmas and great grandmas. I once met a Black mixedblood at a powwow. He got on my last nerves with the "grandma" statement, so I threw it back in his face. I asked, "doesn't that mean you're Indian too?" They guy was shocked and said, "huh? whattaya mean?" I shook my head and said, "well, the way you tell it, the native blood just stopped at your grandma. I mean, how do you know you're black?" The guy still lost in my trap said, "because my parents are black." So I said, "well how are they black, they just become black all of a sudden?" He walked away puzzled. Folks told me old dude came back the next day all mad because it took him 24 hours to realize how stupid his comments were.
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That cartoon is way over the line. As a professional journalist, I'd be embarrassed to be associated with a publication like that. The really sad thing is that there would be a public hanging if that cartoon depicted a black person and said something about killing a black before Thanksgiving. It'd be all over CNN, Fox News, CBS, ABC, NBC, front page USA Today, but nothing...no coverage at all. That's the sad thing to me - well, beyond the fact that there are still people out there stupid enough to print something so obviously offensive.

I don't see this as a mascot issue, but one of basic human decency. Shameful.
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LOL this what i had to tell the president !!!! I am sure that you know why you are getting this email, well first off I would like to say on behalf of the native tribes of Florida this is a very sad , and the person who made this cartoon is obviously childish, arrogant and uneducated. As a Native or"INDIAN" if you want I have no shame in being who I am. I can also tell you that if your so called institution of higher learning or more specific University of Florida( gators ) have and issue or some sort of resentment or maybe jealousy toward us "INDIANS". It would be more realistic if your university or "YOUR" employee who wrote this just came out said that "INDIANS SUCK"!!! But I will also tell you this as much as I been through and as much as we lost as "INDIANS" we still have that sense of respect. Not to open our mouths and talk about something we do not know about. And after all one of the greatest players the game of football have ever seen is a Native American "INDIAN" Jim Thorpe, we make up only a so called 1% of the population but in the armed forces we make up a 1.5%. And I think that speaks louder then words as to how much we love our country and our warrior tradition and a game of football is far from a battle field. We love this land more then your people do look at the way nature as shifted out of balance just cause of the greed of a certain race, we love this land we fought for it when your government send there troops after us and we sent none of them home, we were out manned and out gunned but your government said that they were the ones who were at a disadvantage. Just like the pack of lies our people have been fed but I will say this to you we were here in the beginning seen it all survived it all starvations, dieses, genocide, and we don't go around asking for pity like some races do !! We don't ask for pity cause we have to much pride and obviously the jerk who written this cartoon is pathetic and everything else that rings with stupidity. But there will be a day in age when you will see for your own eyes the goal of our nations when they make there way up into the higher seats of your institutions and law, there is more of us then there ever was so I will be the first to tell you don't think that the 1% is something you can ignore because its just written on a piece of paper. And if your so called employee hates us,tell him to board the next boat back to europe cause we know who the real immigrants are. something to remember WE WERE HERE FIRST AND WE ARE HERE TO STAY!!! Don't let the statistics fool you. We will not be made a fool of Thanksgiving what a joke get real, whos the fool ?????

The Truth dont be ashamed we know who the cowards are !!
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The really scary thing is here we are going into 2006 and there are still large numbers of people that find nothing wrong with this cartoon!!!!
They view it as comedy
I have nothing but contempt for these so called Americans.
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Boozhoo niji,

Hey Homalosa that is pretty funny. A coworker come up to me with the exact same comment, only my comeback was different. "So that means that you are 1/16 Cherokee" (and yes he did say princess)

"Yeah"

"Well what are you going to do about it?"

"What do you mean what am I going to do about it?"

"What I mean is that, if you are Indian, what do you do to set yourself apart from white people? Do you go home and sit on your a** and drink beer or do you do things traditionally the way your ancestors did?"

He got mad at that, and wanted to start a fight. For me its ok if people claim ancestry, but if you are gonna say you are something, then live that way or at least try to learn. Or else it just aint worth mentioning.

Yeah this cartoon is offensive, makes my stomach turn to see it, and see that this rivalry between two college teams actually has nothing to do with Indians except that they use the Seminoles as a mascot. Funny thing is, last time I heard the Seminoles endorse the use of the mascot.

So lets forget about these offensive cartoons, try to educate the people as best we can, and sit back with patience. For Better or Worse gets it right, with a series that put Natives in the light a couple of months ago. I had to save those.

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You know.. I think it's meant to be offensive. I don't think this is a funny ha-ha cartoon as much as it is a political cartoon.
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You know.. I think it's meant to be offensive. I don't think this is a funny ha-ha cartoon as much as it is a political cartoon.
That is very true. It is a political cartoon. My whole thing is would they attack any other "ethnic" group like this. You would only see these kind of cartoons in racist publications not "every day" publications for the general public.
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You know.. I think it's meant to be offensive. I don't think this is a funny ha-ha cartoon as much as it is a political cartoon.
Not trying to get into a thing with you or anything, but yes, obviously it's a political cartoon, but that's not the point. You know how people are, if something is repeated enough, it becomes the "truth". I learned a long time ago to pick my battles, but racism is one I will always stand and fight against, no matter how large or small the issue is. Yes, it's just a cartoon, but it promotes the diminishing of our people, and I will always fight against that, which is exactly why I wrote them and told them that this type of thing is completely unacceptable.
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Boozhoo niji,

For me its ok if people claim ancestry, but if you are gonna say you are something, then live that way or at least try to learn. Or else it just aint worth mentioning.

Yeah this cartoon is offensive, makes my stomach turn to see it, and see that this rivalry between two college teams actually has nothing to do with Indians except that they use the Seminoles as a mascot. Funny thing is, last time I heard the Seminoles endorse the use of the mascot.

So lets forget about these offensive cartoons, try to educate the people as best we can, and sit back with patience. For Better or Worse gets it right, with a series that put Natives in the light a couple of months ago. I had to save those.

Derek

Good for you Derek!
I feel the same way. So many want to claim Indian for beautiful features (if another Black person tells me, 'oh yeah, I can tell you're Indian, look at your hair' I'll scream!), a "romantic" past, or casino money (more the latter aye!), that they care less about living in and passing the culture down.

And dang, I thought political cartoons push the envelope to mock those who are foul, but this one just plain hurts. If the cartoonist meant to ridicule racists, then it seems like he came away from the cell with a little ink on himself.
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