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Russel Means

Russel Means - thank YOU!
I think I have attended one of his speeches when he came to Hamburg - Germany - almost 40 years ago.

http://youtu.be/kuTdvDk1cxw

I understand and yes - I cry

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genocide of true beauty is a crime - my opinion.

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Russell Means

Back in the mid 90's, I was fortunate enough to hear Russell speak a couple of times. Once at a one day dance in Anadarko, OK and the other time was at that big pow-wow in Connecticut. He was an advocate that was able to make a difference when he spoke on issues concering our people. He was a very dynamic speaker is the one thing that comes to my mind when remembering him. We need people like him and the other American Indian Movement leaders that stood up for our people especially in this day and age. The Idle No More Movement is a good start for researching our resources for leaders like Russell Means.
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I recall the two times he came, with Dennis Banks, to my Unchi's house when the 'movement' was gaining momentum in the early 70's. Both times he came to gain some of her wisdom, he brought cigarettes and stew meat for her. Their meetings were private so I am not exactly sure of what was being discussed and Unchi being the private woman of few words that she was, never gave any indication of what was being discussed.
She always fondly remembered their visits but only spoke of them a couple of times. I would imagine they too valued her taking time to meet with them as they held their heads high when they came in to meet her and when they left.
If only I had known enough to have recorded their conversations...
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Oh, that guy.



No. SC-CV-61-98

SUPREME COURT OF THE NAVAJO NATION

________________________________________

Russell Means, Petitioner,

v.

The District Court of the Chinle Judicial District, Respondent



SYLLABUS BY THE COURT



Original petition for a writ of prohibition. HELD: The Chinle District Court has criminal jurisdiction over Russell Means, the petitioner, a member of the Oglala Sioux Nation, for criminal offenses allegedly committed within the Navajo Nation.

Russell Means allegedly threatened and battered Leon Grant, Means' father in-law and a member of the Omaha Tribe, and allegedly battered Jeremiah Bitsui, a Navajo. The petitioner was charged on December 28, 1997. He moved to dismiss the criminal charges on the ground that the Navajo Nation has no jurisdiction over nonmember Indians. Judge Ray Gilmore denied the petitioner's motion to dismiss the three criminal charges on July 20, 1998. The petitioner brought a petition for a writ to prohibit the Chinle District Court from proceeding.

HELD:

1. The Navajo Nation has criminal jurisdiction over all Indians who enter the Navajo Nation under Article II of the United States-Navajo Nation Treaty of 1868 under the "set apart for the use and occupation" language of that article. In addition, the Navajo Nation has criminal jurisdiction over nonmember Indians under the "bad men" clause of Article I of the Treaty.

2. Individuals who "assume tribal relations" with Navajos by intermarriage, residence, and other activities, are subject to the criminal jurisdiction of the Navajo Nation. That includes any individual, regardless of racial or ethnic membership, who assumes the status of hadane or in-law.

3. The assertion of criminal jurisdiction over nonmember Indians violates neither the "Indian preference legislation" nor "racial classification" doctrines of equal protection of the law.

The petition was dismissed and the case was remanded to the Chinle District Court for prompt trial.

Opinion delivered by the Honorable Robert Yazzie, Chief Justice of the Navajo Nation, with Associate Justice Raymond D. Austin and Associate Justice (by designation) Irene Toledo.

Decided May 11, 1999

[1]No. SC-CV-61-98

SUPREME COURT OF THE NAVAJO NATION

_________________________________________

Russell Means, Petitioner,

v.

The District Court of the Chinle Judicial District, Respondent.(1)
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No. SC-CV-61-98

SUPREME COURT OF THE NAVAJO NATION

________________________________________

Russell Means, Petitioner,

v.

The District Court of the Chinle Judicial District, Respondent



SYLLABUS BY THE COURT



Original petition for a writ of prohibition. HELD: The Chinle District Court has criminal jurisdiction over Russell Means, the petitioner, a member of the Oglala Sioux Nation, for criminal offenses allegedly committed within the Navajo Nation.

Russell Means allegedly threatened and battered Leon Grant, Means' father in-law and a member of the Omaha Tribe, and allegedly battered Jeremiah Bitsui, a Navajo. The petitioner was charged on December 28, 1997. He moved to dismiss the criminal charges on the ground that the Navajo Nation has no jurisdiction over nonmember Indians. Judge Ray Gilmore denied the petitioner's motion to dismiss the three criminal charges on July 20, 1998. The petitioner brought a petition for a writ to prohibit the Chinle District Court from proceeding.

HELD:

1. The Navajo Nation has criminal jurisdiction over all Indians who enter the Navajo Nation under Article II of the United States-Navajo Nation Treaty of 1868 under the "set apart for the use and occupation" language of that article. In addition, the Navajo Nation has criminal jurisdiction over nonmember Indians under the "bad men" clause of Article I of the Treaty.

2. Individuals who "assume tribal relations" with Navajos by intermarriage, residence, and other activities, are subject to the criminal jurisdiction of the Navajo Nation. That includes any individual, regardless of racial or ethnic membership, who assumes the status of hadane or in-law.

3. The assertion of criminal jurisdiction over nonmember Indians violates neither the "Indian preference legislation" nor "racial classification" doctrines of equal protection of the law.

The petition was dismissed and the case was remanded to the Chinle District Court for prompt trial.

Opinion delivered by the Honorable Robert Yazzie, Chief Justice of the Navajo Nation, with Associate Justice Raymond D. Austin and Associate Justice (by designation) Irene Toledo.

Decided May 11, 1999

[1]No. SC-CV-61-98

SUPREME COURT OF THE NAVAJO NATION

_________________________________________

Russell Means, Petitioner,

v.

The District Court of the Chinle Judicial District, Respondent.(1)
Would it be too much to ask for me lil german brain that knows english only as a second language to get an explanation on issues between NDN's?

How come that a woman battered by an NDN husband hm.. well one time only... still loves the man for being what his true self is? Alkohol is devastating.

So that got noting to do with what you posted, but I am confused now. Or maybe not - I am aware of - simply said fights between people no matter who - different tribes or other people. That can happen but does R.M. not spoke for the wellbeing of every NDN? Hm... sorry if I sound confusing but I am bad enough to admit I have been drinkins some Whisky at the time of writing since my own life is... bull.. I do not whine about it now. NDN's I believe got more reason to cry. My reply should be invisible - but I am serious.

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Would it be too much to ask for me lil german brain that knows english only as a second language to get an explanation on issues between NDN's?

How come that a woman battered by an NDN husband hm.. well one time only... still loves the man for being what his true self is? Alkohol is devastating.

So that got noting to do with what you posted, but I am confused now. Or maybe not - I am aware of - simply said fights between people no matter who - different tribes or other people. That can happen but does R.M. not spoke for the wellbeing of every NDN? Hm... sorry if I sound confusing but I am bad enough to admit I have been drinkins some Whisky at the time of writing since my own life is... bull.. I do not whine about it now. NDN's I believe got more reason to cry. My reply should be invisible - but I am serious.
Well Mr. Means advocated sovereignty when it suited him. When he was on trial he took that sovereignty preach and wiped his nose with it and told the Navajo Nation and the world that they could not touch him because the Navajo Nation didn't have the sovereign right to charge him because he was a non-Navajo on Navajo Nation territory.
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Russel Means, I believed, started out with the best intentions, to help his people but somewhere along the road he became self amore'd, got caught up in the spotlight and lost his way from the path he started out on. I will credit him for raising some awareness of Native issues.
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I am sorry when it's that how it turned into - a sidetrack of his path that weren't good. People sometimes follow misleads.
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I am sorry when it's that how it turned into - a sidetrack of his path that weren't good. People sometimes follow misleads.
doesnt help when people romantasize him......especially non-indians
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doesnt help when people romantasize him......especially non-indians
I do not romantasize anyone
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Well I for one do not think Russell Means got sidetracked from his own path. No doubt there's certain NDNS along with their 'associates' who will think of him in a bad way and therefore not have many good things to say regarding this man's character for obvious reasons.

I imagine people like Russell Means and Dennis Banks threaten the aspirations and enterprises of certain others and that to me is a good thing.

But Russell Means has passed and for many he will be missed.
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Well I for one do not think Russell Means got sidetracked from his own path. No doubt there's certain NDNS along with their 'associates' who will think of him in a bad way and therefore not have many good things to say regarding this man's character for obvious reasons.

I imagine people like Russell Means and Dennis Banks threaten the aspirations and enterprises of certain others and that to me is a good thing.

But Russell Means has passed and for many he will be missed.
Isn't this always with people - some agree - some don't.
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Well I for one do not think Russell Means got sidetracked from his own path.
Agreed. He knew precisely how exploitive, divisive and hypocritical he was.

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I imagine people like Russell Means and Dennis Banks threaten the aspirations and enterprises of certain others and that to me is a good thing.
Oh, you're going to have to expand upon this...

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But Russell Means has passed and for many he will be missed.
Mostly the Feds who made long-term subversive hay with his buffoonery.
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No. SC-CV-61-98

SUPREME COURT OF THE NAVAJO NATION

________________________________________

Russell Means, Petitioner,

v.

The District Court of the Chinle Judicial District, Respondent



SYLLABUS BY THE COURT



Original petition for a writ of prohibition. HELD: The Chinle District Court has criminal jurisdiction over Russell Means, the petitioner, a member of the Oglala Sioux Nation, for criminal offenses allegedly committed within the Navajo Nation.

Russell Means allegedly threatened and battered Leon Grant, Means' father in-law and a member of the Omaha Tribe, and allegedly battered Jeremiah Bitsui, a Navajo. The petitioner was charged on December 28, 1997. He moved to dismiss the criminal charges on the ground that the Navajo Nation has no jurisdiction over nonmember Indians. Judge Ray Gilmore denied the petitioner's motion to dismiss the three criminal charges on July 20, 1998. The petitioner brought a petition for a writ to prohibit the Chinle District Court from proceeding.

HELD:

1. The Navajo Nation has criminal jurisdiction over all Indians who enter the Navajo Nation under Article II of the United States-Navajo Nation Treaty of 1868 under the "set apart for the use and occupation" language of that article. In addition, the Navajo Nation has criminal jurisdiction over nonmember Indians under the "bad men" clause of Article I of the Treaty.

2. Individuals who "assume tribal relations" with Navajos by intermarriage, residence, and other activities, are subject to the criminal jurisdiction of the Navajo Nation. That includes any individual, regardless of racial or ethnic membership, who assumes the status of hadane or in-law.

3. The assertion of criminal jurisdiction over nonmember Indians violates neither the "Indian preference legislation" nor "racial classification" doctrines of equal protection of the law.

The petition was dismissed and the case was remanded to the Chinle District Court for prompt trial.

Opinion delivered by the Honorable Robert Yazzie, Chief Justice of the Navajo Nation, with Associate Justice Raymond D. Austin and Associate Justice (by designation) Irene Toledo.

Decided May 11, 1999

[1]No. SC-CV-61-98

SUPREME COURT OF THE NAVAJO NATION

_________________________________________

Russell Means, Petitioner,

v.

The District Court of the Chinle Judicial District, Respondent.(1)
So he had a squabble with an in-law and someone else. Happens all the time.
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Good stretches of path and not so good stretches of path, but still one's path all the same.
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So he had a squabble with an in-law and someone else. Happens all the time.
You're missing the point: he beat an old man then hypocritically changed his sovereignty tune when it suited him.

Sum? He didn't believe his own bull**** but kept selling it...
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I remember getting home from high school and watching the news coverage of the Wounded Knee stand off and as a teenager thought - 'This is rather remarkable, absolutely outstanding, NDNs who were standing up for their rights. Militant, long hair, guns, expressing themselves, talking truth, making demands. Man they didn't look anything like my ex-military father or his buzzed-cut brother, or how my brother, cousin or I looked at the time. After that a lot of the NDN 'military brats' grew our hair long not only emulating the look of those militant AIM members, but inspired us to learn more about our own heritage as well. Something many of our assimilated into white society parents strove to keep from us.

In an era before the internet, I tried to keep up with what Russell Means was doing, but that proved difficult, but in the late 70s got an address where he could be mailed, so I sent him a letter and in time he sent me one back.

Yeah I was rather sad to hear of his illness and passing. As a younger man and still now I looked up to him.



Kids kind of look up to such personalities and I suppose those personalities very much influence their adult lives


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