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Old 04-18-2013, 03:42 PM   #21
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Well yeah, during wounded knee he was at his best and its what got him the recognition and respect that he had. But the last couple decades of his life seemed more like he was talking to hear his own voice, creating disturbances for the limelight and dodging bullets with double standards. Just proves he's human.... But in his passing he will still be remembered more for the good he did ... It just rubs some the wrong way when some elevate him to level of respect that seems somewhat more like worship.
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Well what ever RussellMeans became in later years he never looked or presented himself like some close cropped, gold chain wearing Tijuana pimp. He didn't tap dance in his moccasins for a few tourist bucks either.
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He didn't tap dance in his moccasins for a few tourist bucks either.
What do you call Last of the Mohicans, after spending his adult life claiming ours is an oral tradition?
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What do you call Last of the Mohicans, after spending his adult life claiming ours is an oral tradition?
A man has to work, especially if he wants to wear gold chains and take regular trips to the barber.

But you should know that.
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A man has to work, especially if he wants to wear gold chains and take regular trips to the barber.

But you should know that.
And where does "work" immediately imply selling out?

Current answer? Russel Means.

Try again...
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And where does "work" immediately imply selling out?

Current answer? Russel Means.

Try again...
Vince, it seems you have a problem. Perhaps you're out of that greasy gunk one uses to keep a spiffy flattop standing straight up into a perfect point in the front. But don't worry Vince, that flattop and gold chain display bespeaks naught of selling out. If anything it denotes assimilation, or hanging around the fort a bit too long.
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- Dispute? Work Hand in Hand for the betterment.
Dispute? No. Therefore no need for a mediator, Spiritflight, but I appreciate your concern.
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Dispute? No. Therefore no need for a mediator, Spiritflight, but I appreciate your concern.
Thank you very much for acknowledging my concern.
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Vince, it seems you have a problem.
I do find your lack of depth, analysis, thought, social observation and self-awareness mundane but -- perhaps -- there's just nothing worthwhile there to speak of.

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Perhaps you're out of that greasy gunk one uses to keep a spiffy flattop standing straight up into a perfect point in the front.
Oh, I'm sure your pillow contains whatever grease and oil needed to keep a fryer shift going at McDonald's. I do enjoy the Sampson-esque metaphor though. It shows how you define Nativeness and why thought scares you.

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But don't worry Vince, that flattop and gold chain display bespeaks naught of selling out.
As visual evidence supports the existence of neither, what is bespoken of is your ignorance and lack of observational skills. That and/or education failed you?

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If anything it denotes assimilation, or hanging around the fort a bit too long.
Ah, but you do know the buzzwords and racist slurs. As it turns out, you may have an education: it's just the sort which maintains you as an ongoing ward of the state.

Let me guess? Anything that has ever gone wrong in your life is the fault of the White Man and generational trauma is honored in your home like a cloak of righteousness.

Yes, that's the problem, both yours and Russell's.
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I do find your lack of depth, analysis, thought, social observation and self-awareness mundane but -- perhaps -- there's just nothing worthwhile there to speak of.



Oh, I'm sure your pillow contains whatever grease and oil needed to keep a fryer shift going at McDonald's. I do enjoy the Sampson-esque metaphor though. It shows how you define Nativeness and why thought scares you.



As visual evidence supports the existence of neither, what is bespoken of is your ignorance and lack of observational skills. That and/or education failed you?



Ah, but you do know the buzzwords and racist slurs. As it turns out, you may have an education: it's just the sort which maintains you as an ongoing ward of the state.

Let me guess? Anything that has ever gone wrong in your life is the fault of the White Man and generational trauma is honored in your home like a cloak of righteousness.

Yes, that's the problem, both yours and Russell's.
Greetings Zeke.

Perhaps you shouldn't assume so much.

Yes I do have a problem with some of the white people, Zeke, but it's my problem. If you're troubled my problem, then that's you're problem. Frankly speaking, Zeke I think all of this hostility towards me, a Shawnee man bespeaks of something else. Now I came here to interact with others, but also to speak freely in a civil manner about issues which interest me and perhaps others here as well. I also came to share my art and crafts along with poetry. Oddly enough I've not seen you all that active on the sub-forums here regarding people's art, crafts and poetry. Do you read poetry, or admire artwork Zeke? In my life I've known men who deem such endeavors as not being manly compared to sports or attempting to prove just how rough and tough they are, or are not. Internet forums are the perfect place for some to be rude without fear of having one's skull split.

Alright, you don't like Russell Means, I get it, but that does not mean everyone has the same opinion.

What happened if you called and came prepared to debate or compete and no one else showed up? You may have something to prove to some, Zeke, but it doesn't mean all that much to me.
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What happened if you called and came prepared to debate or compete and no one else showed up?
It would mean Indian people have ceased thinking and accepted the yoke of the Great White Father.

But hey, that doesn't "mean all that much to you."

Hostility?

Please. You're not worth it.

Call it embarrassment...
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It would mean Indian people have ceased thinking and accepted the yoke of the Great White Father.

But hey, that doesn't "mean all that much to you."

Hostility?

Please. You're not worth it.

Call it embarrassment...
Then Zeke, if I'm not worth it then why bother with me?
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Then Zeke, if I'm not worth it then why bother with me?
For the benefit of others who may -- through no fault of their own -- accept your failed dogma as factual.

That would be bad for all Natives.
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Ahhh, the ignore feature. Out of sight out of mind like a good flush.

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In sum, you've got nothing.
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Ever figure there's a reason that some white people as well as Indians hate Russell Means and have nothing good to say about him?

Ever wonder what the mindset was of the Lakota who killed
Sitting Bull?
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Ever figure there's a reason that some white people as well as Indians hate Russell Means and have nothing good to say about him?

Ever wonder what the mindset was of the Lakota who killed
Sitting Bull?
I don't go around wondering - please do so explain your statements.
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i have very mixed feeling about russel means....i like his message....BUT he left himself open to many ad hominem attacks....and that is his own fault

i actually agree with both zeke and atehequa

my mother and grandfather knew all of AIM leaddership quite well due to who they were......as my mom says..."well, he had his issues but he was always nice to me."

as was said earlier on this thread....one thing you cant take away from the man was that he sure knew how to shake things up
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i could be wrong......but you strike me as the type who romantisizes every indian they meet.....just wondering.....do you have a buckskin dress?
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