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Old 03-21-2005, 03:59 AM   #1
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FROM: THE BUFFALO NEWS NEWSPAPER

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Senecas Cry Foul On Stymied Cigarette Sales


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Call ban on credit sales on the Net 'interference'

From News Staff and Wire Reports
3/18/2005

Local Seneca Nation leaders are calling Thursday's agreement between the
government and credit card companies that bars cigarette smokers from buying
their tobacco over the Internet with credit an "interference with commerce."

The agreement, which is effective immediately, was struck Thursday between
the credit card companies, U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and
Explosives and several state attorneys general, including Eliot Spitzer of New York.

It results in almost all credit card companies ceasing participation with Web
sites that sell cigarettes and tobacco in every state, according to Spitzer.

The companies also agreed to take action against Internet sellers - the
Senecas are among the top sellers - that authorities identify as violating state
and federal laws regulating cigarette sales.

Seneca Nation leaders called the pact a clear "interference with commerce"
but downplayed the notion that it violated native sovereignty rights.

"Taxation is a sovereignty issue," said Seneca Nation President Barry Snyder.
"As far as Internet sales go, it's really outside of the realm of the
sovereignty issue.

"We have to look at what position we have to take. We can't just throw our
sovereignty around, we have to be very cautious."

However, Snyder said that doesn't mean that the tribe won't attempt to fight
the measure.

"It bothers me in the sense that we're talking about commerce. We'll have to
deal with it," Snyder said. "They say it's a health issue . . . that's a
cover. The real issue is the state of New York is hurting and trying hard to tax
more."

Sales by Seneca Nation members comprise one of the largest blocs of Internet
cigarette sellers.

The nation sold $347.5 million worth of tobacco products in 2003, more than
90 percent by telephone or Internet. Untaxed Seneca Nation cigarettes sell for
as little as $9 a carton, about $15 less than non-Indian retailers.

Government officials contend that it's not about taxing more so much as
collecting the lost tax revenues and preventing proceeds from Internet sales from
being funnelled into criminal organizations.

States lose more than $1 billion a year in tax revenue from Internet tobacco
sales, according to Sheree Mixell, a spokeswoman for the ATF.

Michael Bouchard, ATF assistant director for field operations, added: "ATF
investigations show that millions of dollars each year in illegal sales of
cigarettes are diverted to fund terrorists and criminal organizations."

The effort is also important because enforcement has been difficult even
though in many states, including New York, the Internet sale of tobacco products
is illegal, officials said.

The trade undercuts traditional business operators, often avoids sales tax
for states and localities, and can be a way for underage consumers to buy
cigarettes and chewing tobacco before they turn 18.

Smokers can still buy cigarettes over the Internet, but they would have to
use checks, money orders or some other payment system that would likely delay
receipt in the Internet business built on speed. Operators of cigarette Web
sites didn't immediately respond to requests for comment.

Attorneys general from California, Oregon, Colorado, Idaho, Louisiana,
Maryland, Pennsylvania, Vermont and Wisconsin were also involved in the
negotiations.

In September, the Senecas agreed with state officials to label packages so
that the person receiving them must be of legal age to purchase tobacco
products. Ironically, that policy also began Thursday.

New York's ban on Internet cigarette sales was the first in the nation. But
opponents argued the law wasn't about minors smoking, but about state tax
revenue. The state's tax on a pack of cigarettes is $1.50, pushing the total price
to around $5.

Lower prices are offered on the Internet and in mail-order catalogs by
tax-exempt Indian merchants and retailers in states with lower taxes.

In January, a federal judge tossed out racketeering charges against a group
of online cigarette sellers. New York City had sued 16 cigarette Web sites to
require taxes be paid on Internet sales. The city, which estimates it loses as
much as $100 million a year because of the unpaid cigarette sales taxes,
continues to seek to recover $15 million.


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Old 03-21-2005, 01:48 PM   #2
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You know, this is just getting stoopid. the senecas are a SOVERIGN nation, they can do as they damn well please, and the whites should just keep their noses out of it all.
I think this is all going to get really vicious before it's over.
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Better leave the Seneca alone......There will be Picnics on Rt. 17 again.....

Fuk Pataki and his Pataxes.....
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Well you know I don't believe Pataki really wants those taxes or to have to enforce them.... it's the UCE pushing for them. I know Tuscarora is ready to just close their shops rather than pay the state anything that it does'nt really have coming to them. His solution seemed more to let all those casinos open in the catskills and get revenue for the state from the compacts. The state trying to collect taxes is really illegal and the feds need to step up an do something rather than ignore this situation.
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First of all, it's hard for me to believe that the credit card companies are joining in on this nonsense. Isn't that like a violation of your basic human rights? Individual cardholders need to file some kind of legal action... it's crazy to think someone can tell me what I can or cannot buy with my credit card. Are we becoming like Russia used to be? Secondly, it makes me madder than he** to think that not only are we Senecas paying NYS yearly gambling percentages, but also the Mohawk & Oneidas...and they're still pushing for the gas & ciggie butt taxes....TALK ABOUT GREEDY. Word is that Pataki is going to enforce it in June...so things oughtta get real interesting again around here. Yikkes!
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Well you know I don't believe Pataki really wants those taxes or to have to enforce them.... it's the UCE pushing for them. I know Tuscarora is ready to just close their shops rather than pay the state anything that it does'nt really have coming to them. His solution seemed more to let all those casinos open in the catskills and get revenue for the state from the compacts. The state trying to collect taxes is really illegal and the feds need to step up an do something rather than ignore this situation.
Blackbear you better beleive New York State wants every dime......That's what it boils down to.....Not that you want to see it, but Skins are not going to stand for it and the proverbial shyts gonna hit the fan.....
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Ohontsia, I was discussing this with some others and still no one has been able to answer me.. but does Paypal fall under the credit card definition? I don't think it does, and although they might "stymie" sales with credit cards, paypal is just as easy to use and set up... if you know who to mention it to, go ahead. But I totally agree with you... telling me how to use my credit or debit card...screw them!
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BB, very, very goot point...however, I, recently got this weird notification from Paypal that 'my account has been limited'...and I live ON the rez!!! I use my paypal acct for my ebay purchases...there has been no recent word on what any of the tribes/retailers are going to do.
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SUE THEM!!!!!! Sue their little white asses off!!!
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BB, very, very goot point...however, I, recently got this weird notification from Paypal that 'my account has been limited'...
My understanding with Paypal is that with an unconfirmed account, i.e. one that doesn't use your bank info, you are limited to the amount you can spend for a certain period. If you are willing to give out bank info, get confirmed.

MY CAVEAT with bank info: I would set up a special Ebay account at the bank for this. Reason being my sis-in-law sold some merchandise that the recipient said he didn't order nor receive. SHe went through the entire process that PAypal says you should do to insure your money, i.e. confirmed address only, signature confirmation, etc. Because the USPS didn't make hte guy sign, she had the money automatically deducted from her account, WITHOUT HER PERMISSION, and it took her about a month of USPS, Paypal, Ebay, and the idot's BS before things finally got settled; she called the police department and filed ove the phone a complaint against the guy. Since this incident, she uses a Christmas savings account as her "confirmed" account.
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same here GJ... I have a confirmed account with the bank that i use and have never had a problem. And since it's from the banks' account it's treated like an electronic check rather than credit.
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SUE THEM!!!!!! Sue their little white asses off!!!
Deus, I know, how bout our community just contracts with a little mad scientist group we all know and love and set up some awesome automatic bow and arrow standpoints at the rez entrances designed to spot and detect state agents attempting to collect taxes??? did I say that?!!!
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Why not just an emp cannon that will fry all the electrical components in their cars and make them nothing but hunks of useless metal on four wheels, designed to go off when a government tracer or lojac system is detected. It wouldn't be that hard to do. the components are cheap, and the information is readily available. Plus, since it's not harmful to anyone unless they get hit point blank or have an artificial heart, it's not illegal. I think an automatic bow would be very illegal.
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are stink bombs illegal? Toss a little eu-de pepe at them in paint pellets eh? ROFLMAo
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ah, 'toxic warfare' huh...how bout flying 'backhouses'...that would be awesome...stink bombs...!!! (although it would be more likely flying johnny on the spots these days)
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ROFLMAO!! Yeah, give em the poo in the blue! Not only would they smell great but a nice shade of sky color to go with it LOL!!!
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OH jeez you guys, like they're not gonna figure out a way to still sell the suckers over the internet... We'll get'er done. Its only a matter of time.

but yeah SUE EM! And cripes gimmie a minute to read all the stuff and de code all the legal jargin everyone keeps throwin around (see, THIS is why my parents want me back in school with my ever rotting brain...)

Son of a...

K I just wanted to have my say.....continue...
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suckers...legal jargon??? !!!! lol thought we were talkin bout outhouses!!!
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suckers...legal jargon??? !!!! lol thought we were talkin bout outhouses!!!
NOW your talking my language! Ayes! LOL

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LOL and you admit this publicly? You crack me up girl!!!!
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