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Old 03-24-2018, 01:59 AM   #61
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You're just sharing news with us? If so, I'm glad you've confirmed your ancestral culture! Or is there perhaps any major, unidentified ancestry from your Native American side like me? I only traced a fragment of that side of my ancestry, unfortunately...

Do you agree with my view on the whole subject?
What I meant was, I dont really care what anyone else thinks if they consider me Native, ndn, Native american or whatever title they wanna give an indigenous person. My people are Maya, and thats what I'am.
And I totally see your point.
Our people are south of the U.S., we have our own ways. They have theirs here in the U.S.
Have you tried looking through ancestry's records? they have alot.Ive also used familysearch.com.
The records will sometimes refer to your family members as indigenous or on their census records they say "maya, yaqui, zapoteco" and so on and so on.
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"I'm white and I'm proud".

"Yes, but who are you?".
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Question POSSIBLE CLOSURE in OPEN DISCLOSURE

Hey there Children of the Sun. I don't remember having ever posted on this forum. Then again, I don't have a great memory. I don't even remember what we discussed on CV the other day other than it had something to do with this thread and native sites.

I'm not sure if you were being facetious with me or not. ??? without ill intent for sure, if that is the case, but still, I'm not sure...

I'm not sure if you are trying to call me out or not, either. Hmm, well, to be completely open about something that I have issue with discussing because I think it should be a nonissue (depending on how devoted you are to your families), I am biracial. Open disclosure. I see it as bullscheisse, but to each his own. My father is native. My mother is not. Godz forgive me please. hahaha

I can't science today. I'm sorry. My brain is on "F*** you I'm taking a vacation rn" mode. Due to union restrictions, I can't force it back to work without the likely risk of a full blown strike. I wasn't even allowed to SKIM the science and political words. I noticed that there was a word having to do with race and...I don't even remember...something about possible scientific research results. I smelled smoke and then saw some leaking from the ear area, and OSHA shut us down. Brain said it's having nothing to do with that ish and packed its bags. Only the gods know where it went. Most likely some exotic, pacific isle where men do the hulu in tiny grass skirts and pour dubious amounts of alcohol down my, uh, its throat.

OK so. YES IT IS TRUE. I AM BIRACIAL. For all that is good in this world, I AM BIRACIAL AND I AM PROUD.

IDK, maybe I misunderstood what you were saying, and I think it is highly probable that I did. I'm just simply no longer in the DNA mood; I'm sorry, my friend. As you can see, I'm just going to make jokes. I came to the site via the link you gave me and read what you wrote, etc. I then read the OP and answered it.

In all honesty, I'm sick of answering to non-native - anything. I'm sick of black people saying they were the frist native americans. I'm sick of appropriation. I'm sick of caring about racism. I'm sick of DNA crap because it's jut more to separate us.

I fully comprehend what you are saying. I do know the diff between tribe and race. I just don't give a **** atm. I might tomorrow. I did yesterday (metaphorical yesterday). I might even care right now, but I am so disconnected from caring at the moment that I don't know if I really care or not. I hate assholes regardless of skin tone. I hate that we need to ahve this discussion. I hate that I used the grab button and stretched this screen too wide to fix and now I am typing in an area that I can't see so I probably have mistyped words littered throughout my reply.

Thank you for including me in the topic. I can easily shared my limited, although apathy influenced, opinion, but I cannot share any enlightenment or educated discussion. I can easily say what first pops in my mind, but I cannot for the life of me say anything worthy of anyone's time. I have digressed to the point of reading Star Wars FANFIC, Force help me, but the depravity of the explicit stories more than makes up for it.

Yes, my friends. I have succumbed to the base levels of existence and might need to retire from this conversation. I'll wait to hear back from you to find out if I am allowed to stay or not.

All the best, and MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU.

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Well, I've been searching for Aztlan for decades, still not found. How about Anahuac?
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I'd like to apologize for my last post. I had severe insomnia. When I'm in that state, everything is a joke to me. I'm sorry for not only getting off track but also for losing the train in the process.
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What I meant was, I dont really care what anyone else thinks if they consider me Native, ndn, Native american or whatever title they wanna give an indigenous person. My people are Maya, and thats what I'am.
And I totally see your point.
Our people are south of the U.S., we have our own ways. They have theirs here in the U.S.
Have you tried looking through ancestry's records? they have alot.Ive also used familysearch.com.
The records will sometimes refer to your family members as indigenous or on their census records they say "maya, yaqui, zapoteco" and so on and so on.
Oh, well fair enough.

As for ancestral records, that's a great idea. I'm not sure if they can trace records from Mexico though. That's were the indigenous records for my family may reside. Nevertheless, I'm satisfied with knowing at least one of the Native American cultures I descend from.

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Well, I've been searching for Aztlan for decades, still not found. How about Anahuac?
I found directions to Aztlan: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Tr...=en&authuser=0

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I'd like to apologize for my last post. I had severe insomnia. When I'm in that state, everything is a joke to me. I'm sorry for not only getting off track but also for losing the train in the process.
I'll admit, it's quite amusing to see you in such a state and I bet IRL too
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I'll admit, it's quite amusing to see you in such a state and I bet IRL too
Then you must love the posts I've made on CV lately, lol.
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Then you must love the posts I've made on CV lately, lol.
I didn't exactly observe and read your posts completely, but I can tell you're really into Star Wars discussions, huh?
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I didn't exactly observe and read your posts completely, but I can tell you're really into Star Wars discussions, huh?
Fortuitous or ironic, but the timing of you asking this was neatly synced with a comment I made on fb a couple hours ago:

(my comment from elsewhere just moments ago)
#fandom #thatASDlife

my life is no longer focused on that but instead is focused on star wars. i must have an obsession, and if i must obsess, then i must obsess over the obsessable. ible. eble. that thing which is worth obsessing over.
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What if the person has 10% native American blood?
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Just how would you arrive at that percentage ?
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What if the person has 10% native American blood?
Then you have an ancestor who was native and you carry the same native dna. Try and find out who your people are and learn their ways and practice them and pass them down. If you choose to.
Not sure what the convo was lol just jumped in.
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It's painfully obvious that you are a math whiz !
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They say blood is thicker than water ! Now maple syrup is thicker than blood , so are pancakes more important than family ?

There are "Elders" and there are "Olders". Being the second one doesn't make the first one true !

Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
It's not me....I think you're an idiot !





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It's painfully obvious that you are a math whiz !
Whoís painful? Huh? Math? Quiz ? What?
Me or him?
Iím not good at math. Lol
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Whoís painful? Huh? Math? Quiz ? What?
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Iím not good at math. Lol
Really ? Do the math....any way you want to and show me how someone can be 10% native blood. That's all I'm saying.
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They say blood is thicker than water ! Now maple syrup is thicker than blood , so are pancakes more important than family ?

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Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
It's not me....I think you're an idiot !





There's a chance you might not like me ,

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The 10% sounds like a DNA result, not a blood quanta. Because chromosomal crossover, alleles and SNP's don't necessarily transfer evenly in meiosis. Therefore, you can get odd percentages when analyzing "ethnic marker" halotypes.

Wikipedia: Chromosomal crossover

These numbers don't match up to the nice charts the BIA give us.

BIA Blood Quantum Chart

Who wants to be an Indian? The first mathematical operation you learn is finding the least common denominator. You can just hear the counting song: "Daddy's 1/2. Mommy's 1/4. And little brother is 3/8's...."
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The 10% sounds like a DNA result, not a blood quanta. Because chromosomal crossover, alleles and SNP's don't necessarily transfer evenly in meiosis. Therefore, you can get odd percentages when analyzing "ethnic marker" halotypes.

Wikipedia: Chromosomal crossover

These numbers don't match up to the nice charts the BIA give us.

BIA Blood Quantum Chart

Who wants to be an Indian? The first mathematical operation you learn is finding the least common denominator. You can just hear the counting song: "Daddy's 1/2. Mommy's 1/4. And little brother is 3/8's...."
So what I glean from this information is:

If you can prove you are a fraction, you are Native American.

If you can prove you are a percentage, you are native to the Americas.
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My feeling is if you have to use DNA to find your "Indian heritage," it is unlikely to result in meaningful participation in a tribal community. Being, acting, thinking Native is not an expression of genetic material -- or at least not solely an expression of genes.

It has been my observation that the difference between non-Indian and Indian ways of being come down to the nature of the relationships we form with and the relationships we perceive between human and non-human actors in our lives. All people build connections with family, community, place, transcendent powers, etc. The rules of these relationships extend into how we understand our observations of the world around us.

We are trained to these relationships. Our family and social environment teach us how the act, to fulfill our responsibilities, even to feel within and about these relationships. Communities enculturate their members and even the outsiders with which they interact. While I believe reconnection of ties to Native communities is possible, I have difficulty understanding the urge to build an identity on markers that don't identify a tribe and family.

Let me illustrate. In my college days, I felt a need to aggressively define myself as Lakota and in opposition to the dominant culture. It resulted in a range of unfortunate fashion choices (it was the early 80's) and many conversations, that were less informed forerunners of those I still find myself having with non-Indians. But, none of it felt real. I only felt Indian when I was home, or in the studio, or cooking for friends, or giving someone a gift. This was because even as a city-born, second generation mixed-blood, I have been taught womanly wacantognaka, generosity, 'though no one ever said the word to me. Thus, Indianness was something I could only attain through my interactions with others -- human and spiritual -- and my conformation to the rules of those relationships.

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My feeling is if you have to use DNA to find your "Indian heritage," it is unlikely to result in meaningful participation in a tribal community. Being, acting, thinking Native is not an expression of genetic material -- or at least not solely an expression of genes.

It has been my observation that the difference between non-Indian and Indian ways of being come down to the nature of the relationships we form with and the relationships we perceive between human and non-human actors in our lives. All people build connections with family, community, place, transcendent powers, etc. The rules of these relationships extend into how we understand our observations of the world around us.

We are trained to these relationships. Our family and social environment teach us how the act, to fulfill our responsibilities, even to feel within and about these relationships. Communities enculturate their members and even the outsiders with which they interact. While I believe reconnection of ties to Native communities is possible, I have difficulty understanding the urge to build an identity on markers that don't identify a tribe and family.

Let me illustrate. In my college days, I felt a need to aggressively define myself as Lakota and in opposition to the dominant culture. It resulted in a range of unfortunate fashion choices (it was the early 80's) and many conversations, that were less informed forerunners of those I still find myself having with non-Indians. But, none of it felt real. I only felt Indian when I was home, or in the studio, or cooking for friends, or giving someone a gift. This was because even as a city-born, second generation mixed-blood, I have been taught womanly wacantognaka, generosity, 'though no one ever said the word to me. Thus, Indianness was something I could only attain through my interactions with others -- human and spiritual -- and my conformation to the rules of those relationships.
@OLChemist @wardancer @JiuJitsuFighter I came across this article in "Indian Country Today" and it speaks about this very subject that everyone is kinda sorta debating here on this thread. So I was wondering what was your opinion on it. You all know how I had a difficult time at first when I was looking for my family and trying to find out more about my ancestors. Not everyone is as fortunate as I have been to have actually found my family's tribe and gone be with them and be accepted by them and learn from them. Even though it wasn't under the best of circumstances, I feel abundantly blessed. So I was wondering what your opinions are on this Blood Quantum article and if you feel that blood quantum is important and if it is important to your individual tribes? Do you think that the tribes should be more creative when it comes to blood quantum?

https://indiancountrymedianetwork.co...blood-quantum/
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Old 05-10-2018, 01:23 PM   #80
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Truthfully, none of this crap matters. If you have family who was Indian, ndn, Native, indigenous, and you choose to identify as that, then good for you. Learn about your people and pass it on.
Recently Iíve spoken with and met a lot of native brothers and sisters and none of this stuff thatís argued about matters. This all causes division.
I also recently went to a small gathering of people and no one discussed any of this. Everyone welcomed me and my family. I felt like I was honestly surrounded by aunts and uncles.
I understand sometimes a little drama can be entertaining and maybe thatís why people say or write the things that they write.
Just my thoughts on it all.
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