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Reddish-Brown Kid
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Two-Spirit People
It's me again, Ms Inquizitive!! Anyway, with the nation fussing about gay marriage rights and what not, I was wondering how folks here feel about Two-Spirit people, or gay/lesbian NDNs. I know it is a very controversal subject, but to many, a very important one. And from what I've researched, this is not new to Native American culture-at least the gay/lesbian part. Have your ancesters talked to you all about this? Are they any gay/lesbian/two-spirit people in your familiy (no, they don't have to be out)? I thought this would be an interesting thread and would like to hear opinions on it.
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Kimimila
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There are a few other threads posted about this issue. My personal opinion is that gay/lesbian people should have the same rights and opportunities as everyone else and they should not be made to feel ashamed about who they are. I have gay/lesbian family members (yes, on the Indian side of my family!) and gay/lesbian friends. As far as I am concerned I judge people based on what type of human being they are, if they are loving, good hearted individuals, then that is all that matters to me.
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I also believe that Gays/Lesbians should have the same rights as everyone else. Anytime you with hold rights from a group of ppl, it makes it easier to with hold rights from another group of ppl.
I have a Gay brother in law & we have Gay & Lesbian friends including a couple who recently had a Native Wedding, our whole community was there. We have a few prominant Gay & Lesbian couples in our community. I live in Canada, so it's all legal, unless those damn conservatives get thier way...still trying to figure out who voted in those freaks but anyway... Suzze |
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Geeez with all the gays getting soooo much support these days i almost wish i was gay too
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were home
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well sence you asked and the questen had been rised latly
i have a gay indian daughter inlaw yep my eldest is gay too i asked my daughter inlaw if she was two spirited and she just looked at me lol i guess thier just gay lol lol im moma to both of them and sometimes is like she a son but i tease her about how female she is.thay love me and i love them we all went to powwow here in austin no one said any thing bad to any of us and my grand children were thier too, i dont think the two spirit is taught any more but she was raise anbenckney in vermont so i dont know about that. also she did a tour in Quaitie Irock befor she got out of the army. oh by the way Im strate, and dont want him any other way when he finds me that is lol ps i keep thinking btw and miilk are going to worrie but you got to love first,
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THE Lakota Wiyan
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I think most tribes have their own views of "gay/lesbian" people, but I can only tell you what I know about "our" Winkte. These were men who did women's work, and dressed and behaved like a woman. I know that a few of them would live together and keep house together, but as is EVERYONE's right, their sexual life was never NEVER EVER a topic of discussion. That was between them, if they wanted to, just like any heterosexual person. But, since these Winkte were more women than men, I don't image they would be intimate, like in a Homosexual way, but then again, who cares!!!!????!!! Gah, I can't believe I'm talking about this.....Got the indian blush going on now.....
I don't think that the European/Wasicu way of looking at people with different lifestyles can be directly applied to our cultures, regardless of what tribe you are from. Their was is very judgemental and full of fear. In my own tribe, men worry about men things, women worry about women things, and when they had to get together and worry about the tribe, I don't think that anyone's sexuality was a factor in who had a voice or rights, and who did not. The Winktes I know are extraordinarily gifted in beadwork, sewing, quillwork, or singing and dancing. They are also good horsemen (people??), and from my own experience, they make the best, the VERY best babysitters.....but oooooweeeee....the winktes I know sure can gossip....even more than ME!! |
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In the future it would be nice if people took the proper steps to acquire knowledge or information....If you are not sure of the protocol, ask.... It seems to me conversations of this nature tend to confuse people and perpetuate stereotypes....
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Reddish-Brown Kid
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I know quite a few gay people, and I think they are the best. And one is of Native desent (Aztec/Mexican). One of the others is a mixed one like myself.
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So we are talking about "two spirits" on this thread. Not a problem unless you have questions about your own sexuality. If you are comfortable with who and what you are, a two spirited person should not concern you at all. Yes there are two spirits in our native community. Every other community has them too. It's just part of life.
A two spirited person can usually see both sides male and female. That makes them good people to help exchange idea between the sexes. Role reversal was and still is common. Some just keep to themselves because of what the white society has taught them. It's sad because a two spirit has so much to offer the community. I know this for a fact because I have learned much from a native two spirit who happens to be an employee and a good friend of mine. I didn't hire her because she was a two spirit. I hired her because she was good at the job she does. She is also dedicated and reliable. Sky is one of my best audio engineers. That's a fact!
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Reddish-Brown Kid
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It's not a problem at all, I'm pretty comfortable in my own skin. ![]() I know quite a few gay people, and I think they are the best. And one is of Native desent (Aztec/Mexican). One of the others is a mixed one like myself. |
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BOULDERDASH!
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Back in College
When I was young and somewhat dumb.....Our NDN student association was having a powwow, so I attended a powwow meeting. Much to my suprise there were several people (non-Indians) who attended the meeting and offered support.....hey that was fine, no problem....BUT as we went around the room and introduced ourselves. A woman explained how she was a member of a group who encountered similar racist and ignorant "isms" that skins experienced....As she continued I sat there wondering where she was going with this? Eventually she said she was a Lesibian....well I said I was young and somewhat dumb.....I cut her right off and asked; "what does your sexuality have to do with me being Indian?" Mind you my delivery was by far not sugar coated.....Looking back I did not have to be so extreme, but again I was young and naive....
My point.....Keep your dogs out of my backyard....
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"She also has a very soft skin. The only trouble with snake women is they copulate with horses, which makes them strange to me. She say's she doesn't. That's why I call her "Doesn't Like Horses". But, of course, she's lying."
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Kimimila
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Learning experience.....
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"She also has a very soft skin. The only trouble with snake women is they copulate with horses, which makes them strange to me. She say's she doesn't. That's why I call her "Doesn't Like Horses". But, of course, she's lying."
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Grass Dancer
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aaahhh... the elusive gay indian I've never seen one in their natural habitat before ,other than when I look in the mirror that is. I just wish there were more .
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Welcome to the boards.
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were home
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may i add my welcome to you jennifer 2line
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Kimimila
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Tiny Tot Dancer
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Two spirit people
To me, people are just that, people. I have a number of friends and family members who are gay and lesbian and I love them no less than my straight friends and family members. Understanding and compassion make this world a better place for all.
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